"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:38:00 -0700, "Hawke" wrote:

The get rid of guns to make the world safe argument would be a good one
except for the impossibility of doing so. No matter what the laws or how
hard anyone tries there are always going to be guns available. Whether
it's
guns from Virginia getting into NY or DC or guns getting into Mexico from
the US, or guns getting into Great Britain from Europe, there will always
be
guns that get into where ever they are banned. Given this fact, the
argument
of outlawing firearms simply doesn't hold water.

Then add the fact that if there were no guns whatsoever violent people
would
simply use knives, clubs, fists, and other available weapons to prey on
the
weak.

Check the actual numbers.
Deaths via knives, blunt objects, poison, etc. compare in Canada,
the UK, Japan, etc. with those in the US.
Deaths by gunfire in the US are *extra* deaths.

And almost all have been trying to put words in my mouth VBG.
--
Cliff

Some folks can't make an argument so they have to put words in your mouth
G. But I do know the statistics and you can't make a valid comparison with
the US and those countries you mentioned for several reasons. For example,
if guns were freely available in Japan and Canada the death rate by guns
would still be very low. It isn't the fact that they don't have guns to do
violence. It's the fact that they don't do violence very often whether they
have guns or not. Americans are a violent people, especially the lower
classes, so whether they have guns or not they will commit violent crimes.
It's like Rwanda. They only had machetes; that didn't stop them from being
horribly violent, did it? No, it's not the guns it's the people wielding
them.

One other thing about the statistics on gun violence in America, they treat
suicides and gangbangers killing each other like every other act of gun
violence, they're not the same thing. When you look at the statistics
carefully you will find that even in the US gun violence is not that bad. If
you take away the poor killing each other it hardly exists. But if you want
to see what happens when the guns are taken away look at Jamaica. They
disarmed the public there and guess what, only outlaws had guns, and of
course, they abused the helpless public. It's all about human nature. It
never changes so outlawing a tool will not make any difference in the long
run, and all a gun is is a tool.

Hawke