On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:13:05 -0500, "Nicholas Anthony"
wrote:
"Guido" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:15:11 -0500, "Nicholas Anthony"
wrote:
What foreign countries?
There are over 30 foreign countries assisting us from troops to intel.
Nearly the whole Mid East is in support. But back to topic in the US only
one person voted against the war based on the same intel we had at the time.
Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the
Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia,
Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania,
Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland,
Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2862343.stm
Whoopie! I notice Andorra isn't in the list *******s!
However I will expand to say all
the countries in that area also wanted Saddam removed they even opened up
new bases to allow us to overthrow him! Actions speak louder then words.
The
countries you mentioned are well documented in the black market for oil.
Russia is the largest oil producer and has more oil than it knows what
to do with. The Chinese are the 6th largest producer and prepared to
pay well for any oil import deals they enter into. BTW US companies
were the major players in blackmarket Iraqi oil.
Care to link a site to this claim? Russia is the largest oil producer?
ROFLMAO!!!
Some have Russia as the largest some at 2nd largest, tends to
fluctuate - take your pick
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#producers
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/petroleu.html
But number one or number two they ain't into black market oil.
BTW the US wasnt a major player in comparision to other nations.
Many were involved in this and yes some US corporations were too however
Major players is some US businesses in comparison to Govt's of foreign
nations involved.
All the WMD were leaking into Syria give them more time gees. They gave
them
enough time to review all the material we presented in our case and remove
it! All the spy photos documenting the WMD were mysteriously gone by the
time we got in, no coincidence.
So Iraq is about to be attacked and is government overthown because it
has WMDs, and the Iraqi master plan was to move the WMDs to a country
that Iraq has been at odds with for decades Syria.
YES! If you remember the Iran Iraq war ended in 88 and just three years
later in 91 when Kuwait was being liberated Iraq flew its Airforce into Iran
for safekeeping! You seem to forget the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So tell us what good his WMDs would be to him in Syria? He had them
apparently according to you numskulls in order to threaten his
neighbours, but now you say he gave them to his neighbours for safe
keeping. Pretty safe his airforce in Iran was too. After 12 years they
still had them all:
# 15 MiG-29 ground-attack aircraft
# 30 Mirage F1 ground-attack aircraft
# 50 MiG-23 multi-role fighters
# 20 Su-25 ground-attack aircraft
# 30 Su-20/-22 ground-attack aircraft
# 7 Tu-16 and B-6D bombers
# 10 Tu-22 supersonic bombers
not a single one of them returned to Saddam. Damn those sure were in
safekeeping alright. Now did any of the pilots that flew them to Iran
for 'safekeeping' ever return to Iraq?
Do you know how to
tie your shoelaces?
Was that a childish insult? Sort of like your mama? How primitive of you to
stoop to this level. Ok well your mama is so ugly she looked out the window
and got arrested for mooning.
So you are still using the ones that fasten with velcro then?
BTW if there was all this wonderful spy photos why not give directions
to the UN inspectors so that they could intercept them? Oops they did,
sent the UN inspectors scurrying from one site to another on positive
intel that there were WMDs except it all turned out to be a crock of
****.
False. If you remember Iraq wasnt complying ven Hans said this not allowing
them to inspect certain locations, giving them the run around.
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003: AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION Executive
Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
Plenty to read here. Also in '02 we knew:
Information provided by Member States tells us about the movement and
concealment of missiles and chemical weapons and mobile units for biological
weapons production. We shall certainly follow up any credible leads given
to us and report what we might find as well as any denial of access.
"There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find
weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish
diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United
Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981
to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. "We
went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in
three cases did we find something"
"The important thing to remember, Blix said repeatedly, was
that Saddam was cooperating with the inspections, despite
the difficulties they create for a leader. "No one likes
inspectors, not tax inspectors, not health inspectors, not any
inspectors," Blix chuckled. Not only did Saddam have to
endure the indignity of submitting to searches of his palaces,
he explained, but the dictator also harbored the valid fear
that the inspectors would pass on their findings of
conventional weapons to foreign intelligence agencies,
providing easy future targets."
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r.../18_blix.shtml
They weren't the people doing the planning, nor were they deciding
the make up the forces, nor were they directing what happened after
the fall of Saddam.
No and why would they be one and the same? If that was the case war hawks
would get away with murder literally that is why civilians elected vote
for
war and the Military does their job.
How did you get here from what preceded? What role did Clinton and
Kerry have in deciding the make up of US forces in Iraq? What role did
they play in deciding policy after the fall of Saddam?
Clinton wanted to invade Iraq on numerous occassions and did on Dec 98 just
didnt do much with no resolve.
But he didn't did he? He wasn't the one doing the planning in 2003
that was Bush Inc.
All the intel handed over from Clinton admin
insisted we invade Iraq to the newer administration. Kerry voted for the
war. No senator decides on strategy why are you even asking such silly
questions?
Because you seem to think that they are somehow to blame for the
current **** up. That they decided how many troops to send, the make
up of those troops, and how Iraq should be administered after the fall
of the Saddam regime. It had nothing to do with them that **** up is
entirely to the credit of the present administration.
Except that at the time there was a country welcoming troops in glad
that Saddam was overthown. Botched planning of what to do afterwards
(there was no plan), inability to provide either security or
infrastructure, and heavy handed treatment of the locals have ****ed
up the place.
To be honest no plan is perfect. I am sure hoping that the existing govt at
the time would stay in tact to help in the aftermath and be a part of the
new regime was expected and unfortunately not the case. They all walked
away. All I can add is I bet far less have died now then with the embargos.
Also now there is more of a hope for better a country for their people too.
Actually they were all sacked, told to go home, etc. The policy was
de-Baathification:
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...sbas051903.asp
Paul Bremen says it was a huge mistake.