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Default P61310JX4 DTV307 (aka Edsel chassis) pics of CRT in two pieces.

Dude !!!

I have looked at your pictures and I agree that in facecrack.jpg (i
think) the fluid level is low enough to not cover the entire face of
the CRT. Therefore a temperature gradient could indeed cause envelope
failure (a crack).

However when I got to the picture that depicts the neck of the tube
broken, I get red flags. I have seen it before, different brand etc,
but it doesn't matter.

You are getting a high voltage spike. The opening of a timing cap will
cause ONE pulse to be too big, and destroy the HOT or HVOT. When the
feedback loop for the main B+ is out, and softstart is out, what do you
think happens ?. Shutdown is working as designed, but it cannot react
fast enough. It cannot be made to react fast enough because of circuit
variables and many other factors.

Now you are here, and the set on which you are working has a nominal B+
of 76 volts, and has diffferent modes which DO kick up the 76. When it
goes into different scan modes, nominal might not be nominal.

I suspect that either due to a fault in the power supply or the basic
design, this set is getting boosted B+ when it is not in the proper
scan mode, or perhaps too soon if it is climbing scan modes.

Incidentally, when you get the high brightness shutdown, does it lose
the time and date ? My last one reverted to 1970 !

That PARTICULAR mode of shutdown did that, anything else did not. It
also defaulted to sattelite mode and just to get a picture you have to
go through a bunch of crapola.

When one of these comes in the shop (DTV30X) just double the normal
estimate and tell then to call you in eight months. You may think I am
kidding, but I am not.

Rather than talk to them about their pipe ****in dream, I would rather
make a sftstart/soft change tertiary addon for the power supply.

See RCA had finally discarded each and every one of the good ideas in
the world, then the execs ran out to the dumpster and got them back.As
near as I can figure, a rogue element inside the orginization
spearheaded the drive to develop this no-headed technology.

I must admit it was cool to watch the ATSC tuner find all them
channels, and I did watch it just a bit with the contrast down to about
a third.

MANUFACTURERS : Changing main B+ for scan mode changes is bad business,
even for you. Dont you remember how reactive scanning works ? What did
you think was going to happen when the set started back down in scan
rates ?

Yes, I am starting to really understand the DTV30X, but that makes me
like it all the less. If this isn't the folly of the century as far as
television goes, whoever tops it is likely to make the Darwin awards.

JD Wizard over here, I have been in this business a very long time and
am exceedingly successful, you have a HV spike.

In the ONE unit we got out the door, I limited it's scan settings, it
was no longer capable of certain modes. That is what it took.There was
also something else, some kind of retrieve info (I fergit) you need to
disable, because when it goes into that screen it lowers the scan mode.


If you get what I'm saying they were bad from the git. I however have
an idea. I can solve this, but do I want to ? This would involve
something to trigger into the main feedback opto that controls the SMPS
feeding the flyback. This may cause some abberations, but the set would
work, and continue to work. Either that, or I could do without all
their info, just put my own winding around the fly and use that,
exceed, even by a little bit, you powersupply drops out, and fast. We
would be removing filtering from the 76V line wherever possible. They
would be replaced with lower capacity, higher quality filters. This is
only on the line that feeds the flyback.

This is the only wrong way I can see to do the job right, and there is
no right way to do the job right, so figure the options.

JURB