On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:12:14 -0700, michael
wrote:

Koz wrote:


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I must also say, Mr Gunner, that I have begun to like you even though
our politics differ greatly. you have always answered me in a civil
manner with proper defense of your viewpoint (and I am guilty of doing
the opposite). There are the Rush Limbaugh's of the world who spout
unsupported crap and have arguementative fallacies littered throughout
their statements. There are also the G Gordon Liddy's of the world
that at least use proper arguementation with supporting evidence. I
may disagree with the view, but I have to respect the ones that argue
their point properly.




Koz



That last statement made me think about my personal feelings toward the
oil companies. Presently, I have less than zero respect where they are
concerned. I *could* perhaps have a small amount if they would quit
using any contrived or convenient excuse to raise prices, and just say
"we're screwin ya, because we can".

michael



On this I think we can all agree. But I cast blame where and when
appropriate.

Gunner

" ......The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my
age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- "

Chas , rec.knives