On 19 Sep 2003 12:21:04 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

So Jim, if the probably best intelligence agency in the world tells you
that something is so.. and you believe it, then you are stupid?

Proof's in the pudding. It wasn't true, that makes him
look either

a) sneaky or
b) stupid.

Take your pick.

Jim

Ah..Jimbo..it hasnt been Disproven. It hasnt been Proven either. Big
difference.

Gunner


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age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- "

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