On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:03:33 -0700, Koz
wrote:

Yea, Ashcroft said they weren't interested in Librarys. If this was
truly so, then why was it so clearly written into the act?

Perhaps because internet access is anonymous at the library?

Cheney just said this weekend that there were clear ties of the
terrorists to Iraq. This is contrary to what our own intelligence has
said.

Actually..not so. Bush said there was no evidence that Saddam was
involved in 9/11. Period. There is plenty of evidence that Iraq has ties
to Al Quida etc.

He also implied that there WAS evidence of Iraq trying to
purchase nuclear materials in Africa. Again, this was discounted along
with dozens of other claims.

Actually it was never discounted. It was never proven one way or
another, and the British intelligence services still claim that its
true. Bush in his speech...said quite clearly that he had received
information of such from the British. Clearly it was not a lie on his
part. Even if the information was later proven to be false, he acted on
it in good faith at the time.

The point is, there seems to be a general notion in politics that if you
call the sky polka-dot enough times, people will eventually believe it's
the sky is polka-dot, even if they go outside and can see it's not. And
it works...recent polls have shown that people believe there is a clear
link between Iraq and the terrorists of 9/11.

Yup. Sorta like group think, or Politically Correctness, or Hate Speech
or the fact that 10% of the population still thinks Elvis is still
alive. Or " I did not have sex, with that woman, Monica Lewinsky" or A
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy...

Chuckle


Koz

Mr. Fix-It wrote:

No library searches, Ashcroft says
http://www.msnbc.com/news/968169.asp?pne=msntv&cp1=1
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Hi guys,
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Since 3 Mile Island I do not trust the USA government from telling us
the truth. And what I saw the US Navy do to our own guys in 1974 in
Delta Company in the Navy brig there as to guys that didn't want to play
the game in basic training, I've seen 1st hand what our own guys do to
our own.

Humm so if you decide to not get with the program in boot..you are
surprised that there will be consequences? Odd how that happens. Ill bet
220+ years of US military training has all been a violation of ones
civil rights.
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I know of three separate unrelated incidents (except qualified under
Patriot Act provisions) where info was sought against library patrons
and this in the Hudson Valley region of NY State. So, so much for
Ashcroft telling the truth in stated article above. And he, under the
guise of being a goody two-shoes Christian. I've always felt the
people going to church are those that feel guilt for being pricks the
other 6 days and 23 hours of the week!

So give me a few details of those 3 incidents. Please. Feel free to
leave off the names.
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Sounds like Communist Russia and Stalin tactics to me and the McCarthy
era is going to be revisited again, except this time they throw you out
of the country and take away your citizenship in the process even for
the born here in the good 'ol USA citizens. GITMO is one hot SOB in
summertime!

So...which US citizen has been incarcerated in GITMO? Names please.
Details man..details....
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Who dreams this stuff up?

I was about to ask the same question....
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I guess Rhoades book on building the A-Bomb will be banned in Boston,
now!
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Alan

Give the pure amount of information available on the internet, and the
ease of which people looking into it, can be traced...how many hundreds
of people have had the Midnight Knock on the door and then were hustled
off to the Gulog?

Cites man..cites!!

Gunner



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hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

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