Tim Daneliuk wrote:

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Why bother? The discussion here is refutation of Renata's claim that the
government "shovels money" at the top 1% of wage earners. This claim has
now been thoroughly refuted . In fact, the exact opposite has been
established, it is the wealthy that shovel money at the government in
large quantities. This is indisputable unless one of you can show the
statistics cited by M&J as being false.

Or, of course, if you can show that they are receiving more from
the government than they return in taxes.

Most of that welfare for the wealthy is not paid directly to the
wealthy
themselves, but rather spent in some way from which they directly
benefit.

Case in point, the football stadium built in Baltimore for Art Model.
(who was also paid $2,000,000 in cash) to take the Browns from
Cleveland to Baltimore. That he (presumeably) paid some of it back
in taxes only mitigates it a little.

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