On 15 Jan 2006 09:28:10 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Hawke..and most Lib-Leftists tend to deny the consequences of their
"good intentions". They love to feel good "Doing Something"© but
continually fail to look past the act at the consequences.

Gunner you unfortunately need to get the history behind you.

Those who ignore history..are doomed to repeat it.

We lost the war in vietnam, and oddly enough won the peace there.
They want US investment in their economy the last time I looked.

We won the peace there? Ever talk to any of the Viets that were there
after 1973 when we cut and ran? I strongly suggest you buy a 6 pack
of Heinicin beer, a pack of 555 cigarettes and go visit a Viet machine
shop at quitting time, and ask them about Winning the Peace.
I should note also..that only the very brave or wealthy will start
business's in Vietnam today..the local party members tend to let the
business start making a profit..then steal it.

Their brand of communism failed utterly, and our economics won.

Sort of..but it took 30 yrs and about 2 million lives after 1973 to do
it.

But it did not have anything to do with the war.

You need to get the jane fonda thing behind you and look to the
future. Also the teapot dome scandal.

Jim

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it. And of course
Jim..we should have simply looked past Timmy McVeigh and let him run
free, correct? Afterall..it was old news.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,