"Rush Limballs" wrote in message
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Bull****. Goodman has a strong warrranty which they honor 100%. Every new
builder uses goodman to keep costs down and quality up, good unit that
gets no respect as guys try to sell you an adverted model.
Buy the furnace and a/c on ebay, that way you have a 100% gtee as it was
bought from a traditional retailer.


No...he wont have a warranty...but then, if you would take the time to read
the new one..you would know that.

So..you are the one full of bull****. Sorry...

Goodman just got sold again to another POS builder. They are still garbage
when compared to big three unit.
I personally LOVE them. They make us more money than all the other lines
combined in repair costs.

What kills me is when we get called on a warranty call, and ask for the
installation paperwork and look at the price paid..and think..GOD, I could
have installed a York Affinity or a Trane XL91i for less.
But then, if we had, we would not be out there replacing a part that costs a
service call, NOT covered under warranty, on a unit WE didnt install, and on
a damn Goodman...ever look at those POS? Nothing to em...
I got 5 from last week, out back..you can have the damn things. I have one
that we are taking off a home Monday, thats been in for 5 months...its still
under warranty, and all I plan on doing is saving it for someone that just
cant afford anything else and giving them the damn thing.

Oh...from Goodmans (to use your words, Bull**** warranty) warranty page:

Neither warranty continues after the product is removed from the

location where it was originally installed.

Neither warranty applies to, and no warranty is offered by Goodman

on, any product ordered over the Internet.

Regardless of time of registration, the warranty period begins on the

date of the original installation. If that date cannot be verified, the

warranty period begins three months after the month of manufacture

(indicated by the first four digits of the serial number (yymm)).

As its only responsibility, and your only remedy, Goodman will furnish

(i) a replacement part, without charge for the part only, to replace any

part that is found to be defective due to workmanship or materials

under normal use and maintenance, or (ii) for a heat exchanger that

is covered by the lifetime warranty and that fails in the first 10 years,

a new, equivalent furnace. For warranty credit, the defective part

must be returned to a Goodman heating and air conditioning products

distributor by a state certified or licensed contractor.




Boy that sucks dont it? Not only are they getting smart about the internet
stuff, but they now require a contractor to bring the parts in....wow....
So...sorry, I know it sucks to be proven wrong like that, and it wasnt my
intent for you to go postal like that, but ya know, when its your damn job
to know whats going on, and it is indeed mine, you know these things.
We dont even start working on one till we see the original bill of sale now.
Cant produce one? We call Houston, find out what supplier it was sold to,
and find out if it was shipped to a state certified reseller that isnt
internet based.....we dont, and we dont get paid for anything we return
under warranty. You DO realize that if we take in a compressor say....under
warranty, and its toast, WE have to pay for it until they verify that its
bad, (takes up to 3 weeks) and that it wasnt sold over the net....if it was,
you eat it...you being the contractor. Since I dont sell Goodman, but will
work on them under warranty cause they are always down, YOUR compressor, *I*
wont eat.

And for the record, most of our homes in new construction, get Yorks, or
Tranes..the local building contractors are getting tired of junk on their
homes. Good for me, bad for the local slap in a Goodman in a half million
dollar home guy.




"CBHVAC" wrote in message
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"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

Need a new AC system in my house in Va. I am in the US Military and
currently live in Korea.

An AC Contractor is quoting me $5780 to replace my residential AC /
Furnace with the following 3 ton unit:
Model 38BRC036 3ton R-22 a/c unit 12SEER
CD5AXW036021 EVAPORATOR COIL
MODEL 58STA110 GAS FURNACE,
WITH A 20 YR HEAT EXCHANGER WARRANTY,
INSTALLED PRICE $5780.00

I have seen a 13 SEER Goodman Dual Fuel heat pumps with a 90K 93% Gas
Furnace on the internet for 2350. I am debating whether I should fly
back to Va and do the job myself. If I fly back to Va, it will cost me
roughly 900 for the flight and I can stay with family. Thus I would be
saving over 2500 dollars and I would be getting a higher seer unit with
a 2 stage variable speed compressor.


And NO warranty...none...ever...it breaks cause you installed it wrong,
its over..buy another one.
Thats in goodmans warranty BTW.

Oh...and thats a hell of a lot more than a legit contractor can get that
crap for.


Some of the questions I have are these:
1) How much of the 5780 that the contractor is quoting is equipment and
how much is actual labor / mark ups? It would be bennificial for me to
pay to have the job done if the total labor cost was less than $2,000.

Ask your contractor.
I get called lowball by alot of guys, and im not even.


2) How intensive is an AC Install? (I am a Sheetmetal worker by trade.)
I am thinking that I put the condensor in place, the furnace in place,
and hook up a few electrical connections. I then sweat / bolt the
refrigerent lines and call out an AC Shop to verify all conections,
vacume the lines and turn it on.

I wont even touch a homeowner installed unit.

3) If I call out an AC Shop to verify the install, I would think that I
could get them to verify the system install for less than a couple
hundred. Is this true?


Not with a legitimate contractor.


Some Background. I am a Sheetmetal worker by trade. I have a Universal
License in Air Conditioning. I even taught automotive AC Systems for a
local community college. I have never worked on any residential HVAC
systems. I am a very serious do-it-yourselfer. I have built additions
on houses. I have even completey removed and replaced an entire house
electrical system.

The interesting thing about this whole thing is that for the last three
years I have been talking about going to school and getting into the
residential HVAC bussiness when I return to the states. I could
actually use this project as part of my education!

Im in NC, and IIRC, VA has gone to a licence system close to
ours....meaning, a homeowner legally cant install a unit.


I am open to any advice and would appreciate any feedback.

Pat