David Maynard wrote:
Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Gary H wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Those of us who were there are not deceived by revisionist histories.
In those days, it was big bad IBM versus tiny helpless Microsoft, not
the other way around. Microsoft didn't (and couldn't) twist IBM's
arm.






Ya know, all this really isn't about Bill Gates or Microsoft Per
Se. It's about the greed factor and the power factor and the
control factor. The desire for absolute power and to corrupt
absolutely . The sort of thing that rears its ugly head virtually
every single day of our lives. Like Enron, Hollinger international
and on and on.

With Microsoft, like many others it *is* about greed and power.

With the oil industry, it *is* about greed and power.
For example, I live in the north-eastern part of this north American
continent. In the summertime, the price of gas goes sky-high
because of the demand and heating oil drops and in the wintertime
the price of heating fuel goes sky-high because of demand and gas
drops. The immediate response or belief drilled into the general
public is that there is a shortage of oil. There is NOT.
There is plenty of oil. I know, because where I live, we are net
exporters of oil.




Super. But unless you can demonstrate your area's exports are enough
to power the planet that little factiod means nothing about the state
of the world's oil supply.



Overly simplistic bull****.


Your claim wasn't just overly simplistic it was fundamentally flawed logic.

It's all of the sources worldwide that supplies the planet


Which is why your logic had no sense to it.

and there is plenty at the moment.


You've not provided any evidence of it.

It will eventually run out, so I guess the oil guys figure they'll
get their money now, while the gettin' is good..


But sane, rational, 'good guy' you would wait till there isn't any?

You don't notice a teensy flaw in your business plan?

The problem is that with the increased demand, nobody is building
extra refining capacity. Especially those who *control* the
industry. You know, the Exxons, Shell, and so on.




They haven't built new refineries in a coon's age because they can't
get permits as environmentalists have essentially blocked every
technologically feasible source of new energy production.



Again, overly simplistic bull****.


Just the facts, mam.

It's gotten to the point where these *******s are driving the crap
out of a barrel of oil because (get this) they're expecting a
friggin' snow storm in the north-east of the continent.




Wouldn't be so bad if you folks up there would ever let them build a
bloody pipeline too but, nooooooo. So when it's socked in every other
means of transport is cut off and you're stuck with whatever local
supplies have been pre stocked.



Again, over simplistic. It's not that building a pipeline is not
permitted, it that it's not permitted to build it the *way* you guys
want to do it.


Metal tube in the ground. You got some other kind?

Stupid a**hole. The pipeline would be over a coupla thousand
miles of Tundra. Do you know what that is? I doubt it. Why
let factual information get in the way. You cannot bury pipe in
perma-frost. Also, when run on the surface, migration paths for
caribou and other migratory species *must* be considered. The
route chosen by our government, which would have addressed all
those concerns was too costly and too much trouble for
administrators of the US oil industry so, they wouldn't build
it. So, screw ya, do without it.


We *do* have environmental protection rules up this way, and where we
have them, we apply them.


Good for you. So stop whining about the costs they impose.

Not whining about that part. Whining because the goddam crowd
of thieves on Wall St are the cause of these increases.

snip, bull****