On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:29:58 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:20:48 +0000, tarquinlinbin
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:41:09 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:33:10 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , gastec
writes

Does anyone have views about the GMB union..
good or bad union?

Is that owt like a yorkshire fitting ?


Sort of. Both are unnecessary in the 21st century.
That very much depends on where your sitting. Many people in clerical
jobs or the various strata of management and the hallowed halls of
academia think that all that masty union stuff is to do with those low
grade manual workers and as people further up the economic and
intellectual chain, such things dont apply to them and are not to be
considered. Fact is that they need to consider them even more because
when the axe is wielded, it is often the mid sections that are cut
out!. Those on the front line i.e acutal production operatives ,are
still needed to keep companies going and to produce.


This is all a very limited view.

OK take my example. A major global utility company. It used to have
big bright offices in every major town and city. All rammed full of
staff from clerical through various admin,managerial levels right to
the top of the tree. There was chrome, plate glass,hired exoric
plants,welfare facilities etc in abundance. They were all sitting
pretty in there. Meanwhile the mobile workforce were all but excluded
from this abundance of luxury and were kept out of office to work.
Obvoiusly they needed to keep working so that this lot could ride on
their backs.

Over the years it has all been axed. Offices are almost portacabins
and there are fewer of them. There is one or two major admin centres
which control all mobile workforce via field based technology. Whole
offices have been closed,swathes of management cut fortunes saved. One
thing they never touched was the front line workforce. All they did
was replace all the admin staff and management with a laptop issued to
each field engineer. Result? field engineers job is secure and still
being quite well paid-clerical and managerial are all redundant/paid
off. I always say, they never cut at the front line.



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