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According to Tony Wesley :

Chris Lewis wrote:
If you had kicked the Brits, Indians, and Canadians, we would be a state.


You lost that war, remember? Oh, I forgot, the Americans claim that they
won that one.


Let's see, we got England to stop boarding ships and impressing the
crew into their navy, plus England finally recognized the USA.


That happened two days _before_ the Americans declared war.

Read the history: http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html

Plus,
England gave up some land that had formerly been considered part of
Canada. It wasn't Drummond's Island anymore.


Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those parts back [+]).


If you read the treaties that ended the two wars with England, you'll
know that 1812 wasn't a draw.


Back to http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html:

- U.S. forces were not ready for war, and American hopes of conquering Canada collapsed
in the campaigns of 1812 and 1813.

H'm. "Hopes to conquer Canada collapsed". So, what you started the war over
was obsolete by the time war was declared, you didn't conquer Canada, and
the land possession hardly changed if at all.

A draw.

But, from the perspective of what the intent of the American invaders _was_
(take over Canada to "free" us from the British oppression, which we happened
to _like_ ;-), you blew it big time.


American invaders? The "invasion" was the other way, the Brits taking
Mackinac Island first.


We were supposed to sit around twiddling our thumbs after you declared war on us?

Back to that same link again:

- They argued that American honor could be saved and British policies changed
by an invasion of Canada.

[Remembering of course that British policies had already been changed.]
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Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.