In article , Bob Martin wrote:
in 1249902 20051119 162352 (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:
in 1249707 20051118 191003 Dave Hinz wrote:
On 18 Nov 2005 07:27:17 -0800, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
Exactly Alex....there are very few "true" rights.
Gun ownership is not one of them.

It's the one that, if you live in the US, preserves the rest of your
rights. How long do you think you'd be free to disagree with the
government if the citizens were disarmed?

I think you've lost it, Dave. I'm quite free to disagree with my (UK)
government
and neither I nor anyone I know owns a gun or is ever likely to.

The part of this you're missing is that -- currently -- your government is
willing to tolerate subjects who disagree with it. What would you do if that
changed, and the authorities began to forcefully suppress dissent?

More to the point: what *could* you do?

And you really think guns would make a difference?

They sure made a hell of a difference for us in 1776.

Did the Germans who tore down the Berlin Wall have guns?

At the point that the wall came down, the government had abandoned even the
pretense of forcefully suppressing dissent. Prior to that, when the government
*was* still doing so, the subjects were of course unable to do anything about
it, being disarmed.

Did the Romanians, the Czechs etc?

See above.


Attempts to justify everyone having a gun are pretty pathetic.

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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.