Shmaryahu b. Chanoch wrote:
On 19 Nov 2005 16:06:56 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

Actually the separation of church and state is a recent event in
history. In your example you only go as far back as the French
Revolution....people have been dying for stupid causes for much, much
longer than that.

Actually the line between church and state doesn't exist when it
comes to bloodshed...ever notice how a country or a religion each
demands your allegiance to the point of dying for it? Ever wonder
why they need that commitment?

Whether you call it religion or secularism, it is the same end
result...us versus them, the good guys versus the bad guys, ....ever
wonder why the military actively discourages getting to know the
enemy on a personal basis? Could it be that he/she is much more like
us than anyone would like to admit?

As for radical Islam, I see little difference between it and the
radical Christian movement in the United States. Even the tactics are
the same....let's bomb a abortion clinic when we disagree, leaders
quoting scripture that "we" are the chosen ones. And let us not
forget Oklahoma City with our own homegrown terrorists...I myself
first thought it was an external terrorist...a lesson not to jump to
premature conclusions.

When you reach for a gun or a bomb or a knife to prove your point you
have crossed the line in the opinion of the vast majority who just
wish to live their lives in peace.

TMT

We have had one or two abortion clinic bombings. Most of those who
oppose abortion to that point tend to be Catholics. And there is
nothing in American Christianity that comes close to the willingness
to kill as we are seeing in Salafi movement. Even most
Eco-Terrorists (ELF, ALF, Earth 1st) are far more violent than
anything within Christianity.

As for the OKC event, that was out of the militia movement. Had
Clinton not murdered those women and children at Waco and Ruby Ridge,
I doubt that McVeigh would have gone that far. But then **** off a
soldier and you never know what he will do....




Thousands of terrorist attacks on clinics.....the chart doesn't transfer
well...see the website:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm