On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:11:33 -0500, (p_j) wrote:

Gunner wrote:


Volumous report snipped

Indeed voluminous reports that don't back your point. I could cut and
paste about conventional weapons or perhaps Napalm. There was also
nothing in there about thousands of tons in current production, loaded
into warheads and ready for dissemination within 45 minutes. There is a
string of whoppers that matches his campaign lies. He can always count
on sheeple though.


By sheeple, are you talking about DNC drones such as yourself? They
most closely match that term...

By the way, America was founded on liberal principles.

It sure was. And of course, you are fully aware, Mr Extreme Right
Winger..snicker..that the meaning of liberal and conservative have
been reversed since the founding of America, are you not?

No. Not true. Conservatives have historically hated the rule of law,
constitutional government and an adherence to individual rights.

Cites?

Or do you need the data to filter though the little pea sized
leftwing tissue mass that one could, with a bit of charity, call your
brain?

Right wing. That's right wing.

You surely must be confused, or dyslexic as Ive never seen a right
wing liberal as you claim to be.


I wonder Sir, could you tell me please, what its like going though
life, as you evidently do, as a neo-fascist?

I don't support bush or neo-conservatism at all. Surely you are aware of
Bush's adoption of fascism. Its a good thing now supposedly. I ask you
the same thing as many other sheeple who up till now have only responded
by evading and insulting: what tenet of fascism doesn't Bush adhere to?

Which one DOES he adhere to? The Great Society? Political Correctness?
The Nanny State? (all hall marks of Leftwing thought, and all symptoms
of neo-fascism)

Doesnt that conflict with
your identity as a Socialist?

Sure old man. Talk radio tells you the truth. Like a trained sheep you
jump. Anyone who challenges the current taliban/republikan party
apparatus is a 'communist' or a 'socialist.' Gee, how original. Never
mind actual facts when you can hurl insults and make stuff up.

Anyone whom uses the K in the word Republican, has posted a big
Socialist sign over their front door.

Inquiring minds want to know.

My inquiring mind wants to know about your editing. Where is your quote
of Disraeli? Here let me help you:

Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends
of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli

This is a funny quote. You probably have no idea of its context or
meaning. The "liberals" that he is talking about are those nasty free
trade nutcases that wanted to repeal the "Corn laws." (think Adam Smith)

Yes, and?

[Adam Smith - liberal - kind of contradicts your fantasy about the
meaning of the word doesn't it coward]

Alas, I suppose that means nothing to you. They were tariffs to protect
a few privileged people and they were opposed by what was referred to as
the 'merchant' class. You know, businessmen who want to sell products.
And of course there was some racism involved as the high cost meant that
the poor Irish who were experiencing potato problems couldn't afford it
and you know how the Irish have been thought about by the English,
right?

To the English, the Irish were simply animals at worst, and
'occasionally convienent" at best. And your point is?

You should also be aware that in order to get power, Disraeli sponsored
lots of regulations on businesses and championed fine things like the
ten hour day. He was very pro-union as well.

Yep. And?

Yeah, I know, you don't care about actual facts. You just like it that
he called liberals a bad name.

And he did so, in the same politcal genre as todays liberals
do..Disreali was calling what is today called Conservatives, a bad
name. But I like the quote, though its about as applicable as your
Mills quote, for the shock value to the ignorant. Of which I
unfortunataly include you.

Hey, how about this Disraeli quote? "A conservative government is an
organized hypocrisy." Put that in your sig file. Anything is better than
a scumbag habitual criminal like Liddy.

Yup..and he was refering to what is today called a Liberal Government.
In fact, he hit dead nuts on the description for the Clinton
Administration.

Which Liddy are you refering to? G Gordon? He was only convicted of
crimes in one criminal proceeding, the Watergate episode. A trial
presided over by John Sirica, whom as Prof Jon R. Waltz, a
Northwestern University Law School, said that " Judge John Sirica
represents nearly everything that can go wrong with the federal
judicial selection process."

And no one was killed. Too bad the same couldnt be said about the
Clintons body counts...

Lets see, Colson was convicted of having unlawful possetion of ONE
FBI file...now the Clintons..and the 973 FBI files......hummmmmm


By the way, America was founded on liberal principles.

Sure was. Classical Liberals

" A liberal used to be one who favored minimal government and maximum
liberty. Today we have to call such advocates of the limited state
"classical" liberals in order to distinguish them from the modern
collectivist liberals who have usurped the name. But having given
liberal a bad name, the collectivists now want to switch labels again.
They prefer to be called "progressives."

Too bad you are a (Neo) Liberal, the anithema of the Founders
ideals. Shame your Nanny State is falling apart, no?

Gunner


Gunner


"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs