"E. Allen's ghost" wrote:

On 16 Nov 2005 16:30:10 +0100, "Vito Kuhn"
, wrote:

"Andy Dingley" wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:11:03 -0500, "Wanda Pangborn"
wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

1) Because moderation isn't a good idea

With all due respect Andy, that's just YOUR OPINION. There are
hundreds of moderated newsgroups in various hierarchies and many of
them are thriving.

They work very well if they have the support and a good moderator. I
agree. I don't understand all the venom in here against moderation.

It makes no sense why you guys have always been so scared of it.


2) Because of a huge bunfight a few months ago. One "Vito Kuhn",
America's Best Christian Woodworker decided that we all needed saving
from ourselves.

That's not BY ANY MEANS an accurate account of what happened. I
proposed a SEPARATE GROUP for PEOPLE INTERESTED in a SEPARATE
MODERATED GROUP. I never once suggested that rec.woodworking should
be moderated. If the group passed, reading it and posting to it would
have been VOLUNTARY. Staying in the unmoderated wreck would have
been voluntary too if the group passed, this option would NOT have
been taken away from wreckers and I NEVER proposed anything like that.

But why try to create a whole new hierarchy? Wouldn't a moderated
group work just as well?


There was huge animosity, some of it over moderation but
mostly over the way he went about it.

Once again, I proposed a SEPARATE GROUP, and I went through all the
proper hoops and channels. It was not my fault that a sociopath from
Ohio named Steve Young flooded the ballot box with forged and
"FROGGED" votes. Later when the vote fraud was detected, Susan and I
VOLUNTARILY declined the revote that was offered to us by the NAN
Team.


Why on earth wouldn't you want a revote?

It's a very touchy subject now.

I see that the subject will never be allowed to rest.


It's one of the more interesting stories I've heard in a while.

If you want to see a moderated group in action, try reading Vito's
"fam.woodworking" Safe for families, christians and small animals.
Not a thing in it.

More hog wash. First of all, the fam.* hierarchy is INACTIVE now.
http://www.family-usenet.com
Second of all, fam.* woodworking was NEVER moderated. Third of all,
current usenet protocols are not advanced enough to keep ANY newsgroup
100% "SAFE". My hierarchy was destroyed by a massive, organized troll
invasion. You use Supernews, and they were the only news service
provider to respect our charters so you probably didn't see any of
the cross posted drivel. But most people DID see all the junk from
the swines, and that kept decent folks from wanting to participate.
If you're gonna bad mouth me, Andy, at least get your details
straight.


If you wanted to try and get a moderated woodworking group started
again, I'd certainly read it. I'm sure other people would too. I
don't see why you have to go along with consensus on this since it
doesn't directly affect this group.

Try explaining that to some of the thick heads on this forum.

VK