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Dale Farmer wrote:

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George wrote:

Toller wrote:

Bull. In the last 5 years we have had 3 poweroutages where I
used
my
generator. There wasn't a lineman within 5 miles of me on
any of
them.
My
2kw generator is going to power up 80 square miles? Don't
think so.



So you have some sort of radar/GPS/RFID system to determine the
location
of lineman?

But lets say you don't and consider other scenerios. Suppose
the
primary
is knocked down (ice storm etc) leaving you on a deenergized
segment.
So
you thoughtfully engergize the secondary and hence the primary
(7 Kv
in
my area) which may be laying on the ground or otherwise
accessable.

And my point being you can't possibly know about every
condition and
scenerio and that is why you install a disconnect so you don't
have
to.

Remember the "Always assume a downed power line is live"? Also
the main
breaker on your service panel *is* a disconnect.

The main thing here is the even if you, Joe Homeowner screw up
and
backfeed the mains, you have virtually zero chance of killing a
lineman
directly, only assisting a Darwin award candidate. Every report
I've
seen of a utility worker "killed by an improperly connected home
generator" has shown that it was a perhaps overworked / over
tired
lineman who got careless and didn't follow procedures.

Stop spreading dangerous misinformation. Backfeeding generators
can and
do
kill linemen.

http://www.clatskaniepud.com/Generators.htm
http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/vh...es/generat.htm
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/portgen.html
http://eweb.org/home/energy/generator/index.htm

A few of the many, many links that warn of this hazard.

You are a hazard.

There is absolutely no misinformation in what I posted. The links
you
list border on misinformation in their omissions.

I indicated that if you screw up and back feed the mains you will
provide an opportunity for a careless lineman to kill themselves,
not
kill them directly. This is a *fact*. A lineman following
established
procedures will *not* be killed by a back feeding generator.

As I've noted, every case I've seen where a lineman was "killed by
an
improperly connected generator" has clearly shown that the lineman
in
question did not follow proper procedures. If you have references
to a
case where a lineman followed procedures and was killed by an
"improperly connected generator" I'd like to see it.

I bet you also believe you can't put metal in a microwave oven...

Pete C.

What color is the sun in your little world there?

Do you not know that when you put 240V back through the transformer,
it
energizes the lines to 7200 Volts? Do you know how little current it
takes
to kill someone at such a voltage? Your comments are stupid and
irresponsible. You just have to admit you're wrong sometimes, and
there's
no amount of explaining that can save you.

I'm well aware of how a transformer works, in fact I was the only one
to
pass my power distribution course with a perfect score (all weekly
tests, mid term and final 100% correct).

My comments are 100% factually accurate. Please provide specific
examples with references to what you think I am incorrect on.

The bottom line is that you can not kill a lineman by inadvertently
back
feeding the mains. In order for the lineman to be killed he must also
not follow established procedures for his work.

Pete C.

You are also failing to follow the long standard engineering practice
of having a system setup such that it requires a minimum of two failures
for a life threatening fault. You are advocating that homeowners with
generators intentionally provide the first failure. So now that lineman
is only one ripped glove away from being electrocuted. You may be
book smart, but you sure are stupid.

--Dale

The entire public power utility distribution grid is not built to a "two
failures
for a life threatening fault" standard.

Pete C.

I rarely resort to this type of language, but what moron believes a second
failsafe procedure is a waste of time, especially when the first one is
relying on the human factor?