"Charlie Self" wrote in message
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Mike Marlow wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
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A massive failure of the science education in the lower grades, I'd
say, largely thanks to the True Believers who can't tell the
difference
between fact supported scientific theory (they always, or almost
always, founder on the word "theory") and religious belief.


I generally like your posts Charlie but this is a rub. Go ahead and
take a
shot at those with a belief that differs from yours, if that's what
makes
you feel fulfilled, but it's just a shot. The fact (a word that those
who
enjoy deriding others with a belief love to use...) of the matter is
that
there is no "fact" which unsubstantiated a creation or ID. Science does
not
pretend to have any such fact. There is no "fact supported by
scientific
theory". That, all by itself is a contradiction. Your belief may
differ
from mine and others like me, but your belief is equally unproven -
substantiated only by "scientific theory". My point - you suffer the
same
condition as those who you deride simply because you dislike their
choice of
faith.

Mike,
Sorry if it rubs your feelings, but all the BS about IDism and
creationism is getting on my nerves. I'm not apologizing for my
understanding that they are no more than myths, while evolution is
factually based. I'd say you need two things: an understanding of what
a scientific theory really is, and a course in comparative religions.


I have both.

Don't go down a wrong road Charlie - I don't disbelieve evolution, nor am I
in any way anti-science. In fact, I'm not even content with the teachings
of my faith that I grew up with, or that I've experienced throughout a more
questioning adulthood. From that perspective, I'm more (much more) of a
philosophical questioner than I am a head with a hinge on it that someone is
free to simply open and pour their stuff into. Like you, I don't apologize
for my understanding that evolution-only believers are zealots anxious to
believe in something, even if it means taking what is known beyond what the
facts show. I'm fine with that - it's just a different kind of faith, and
to each his own.

I find it disappointing that I have to agree with the ID stuff getting on
your nerves. I agree from the perspective that unfortunately, a very small
minority of Christian believers with a very strict definition of things (I'm
speaking of young earth creationists which differ greatly from the majority
of Christianity) are causing the body of believers to be painted with their
brush because of their vocal position. While I don't diminish their faith,
I do wish they would go about exercising it in a different way. But then
again, I wish the evolution-only advocates would exercise their faith in a
different way too.

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-Mike-