On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:58:52 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote:

As for it now being renewed, that may only be a temporary reprieve.
President Bush, of all people, pledged to sign it back into law if passed by
Congress. And you can bet that President Hillary will certainly resurrect it
(as well as launch a slew of other anti-RKBA laws).


These regulations (which are clearly in violation of Constitutional law)
are arbitrary and capricious.

It's not that clear to me.

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed" is not clear to you?

- Michael

http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.a...86766&nav=168Y

laska anti-gun control law set to go into effect this week

JUNEAU, Alaska A new anti-gun control law goes into effect in Alaska
this week.
It means handgun owners won't need permits to carry concealed weapons
in the seven Alaska cities where they're still required. There also
will be no more restrictions on keeping a firearm in a vehicle.

The new law will essentially bar municipalities from passing gun laws
that are more restrictive than state law.

The National Rifle Association, which helped write the legislation,
calls it state pre-emption, and Alaska will be the 44th state to have
such a law on its books.

What the N-R-A wants to do is prevent cities from passing more
restrictive laws in the future.

But Alaska police chiefs worry about no longer being able to enforce
laws banning guns from public buildings, such as city halls.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story...-6893005c.html
State, city carry dueling gun laws

PERMITS: Legislature says Anchorage can't create stricter rules.

By ANNE AURAND
Anchorage Daily News

Published: September 20, 2005
Last Modified: September 20, 2005 at 03:29 AM

Anyone legally allowed to own a handgun in Anchorage can carry it just
about anywhere.

Carrying a concealed handgun used to be against the law without a
special permit.

But the city stopped enforcing the permit requirement after the state
passed a law in 2003 that said Alaskans no longer needed the permit.
Concealed weapons are those hidden from view -- in a purse, under a
coat, in the glove box.

However, the city's permit law remained on the books. Assemblyman Dick
Traini wants to change what it says so the two laws match.

Since state law trumps the city's anyway, he said, it's just
housekeeping.

Traini, who brags about his firearms collection, thinks permits are
unnecessary anyway. He said he trusts people to meet the necessary
requirements to carry a pistol -- being 21 and a U.S. citizen, being
clear of any felony or domestic violence convictions. Those who
wouldn't meet the requirements would buy guns if they wanted them
anyway, he said, illegally, without a permit.

"The criminal element is never going to get a permit. The criminal
element gets their guns because they're criminals. It doesn't matter
how many laws you put on the books," Traini said.

Alaska Rep. Eric Croft, D-Anchorage, sponsored the 2003 anti-permit
bill, citing at the time frustration with constant fine-tuning of
state gun laws. Getting rid of required permits, he said, would also
help gun owners in rural areas where handgun safety courses, a
requirement for getting a concealed weapons permit, aren't always
available.

Croft's law didn't change prohibitions against carrying firearms into
state courtrooms or court buildings, other justice-related agencies,
school yards, the grounds of private child care facilities, bars,
domestic violence shelters or the private homes of people who don't
give permission.

To make things more complicated, the Legislature passed another law
this session barring the city from imposing tougher restrictions on
gun ownership than the state does. That law goes into effect next
month.

What does it all mean? Who has to let in people with guns? Depends
who's talking.

For instance, city officials, including Traini, Police Chief Walt
Monegan and Mayor Mark Begich, say it means a legal gun owner can
carry a pistol into City Hall, or the Assembly chambers because the
state law doesn't specifically ban municipal buildings.

State Rep. Mike Chenault, R-Kenai, who sponsored the bill restricting
the city from passing tougher laws, disagrees.

It's no more strict for the city to prohibit firearms in a city
building than it is for the state to ban them in a state building,
such as a courthouse. The law leaves room for interpretation, he said.

Anchorage's Deputy Clerk Linda Heim thinks people should not be
allowed to bring guns into City Hall. What if someone is mad at the
mayor, the tax collector or the clerk, she said.

Traini and the city prosecutor were uncertain how the gun laws apply
to private property, like stores or apartment buildings.

Mina Freeman, in the state troopers' concealed handgun permits
department, said a private property owner can post an enforceable sign
that prohibits firearms. They do it that way at the 5th Avenue mall,
she said. It's enforced as a trespass law.

Of course, a gun owner remains free to carry a visibly displayed gun
most places -- a grocery store, a city sidewalk.

"You could walk into Home Depot with a rifle strapped to your back. It
might raise some eyebrows, but yeah," said Anita Shell, a police
spokeswoman. "Imagine the amount of calls we'd get."

Police Chief Walt Monegan said if police are called to check out
someone walking around with an unconcealed gun, they'd stop the person
to make sure the person wasn't drunk, mentally ill or a felon --
things that make owning a gun illegal. If they meet the criteria,
they're allowed to carry on.

After all, Traini said, "It's your right to carry a weapon."

Even if the city were able to pass tougher laws, Monegan said he
wouldn't push for a concealed weapons permit requirement for
Anchorage.

People can still get a permit even though they're not required. Some,
like attorney Wayne Ross, local director for the National Rifle
Association, said it's a good idea because other states may recognize
the Alaska permit. But he's not an advocate for permit laws.
Background checks are performed when people buy guns anyway, he said.

"If you have a constitutional right, why should you have to go to the
state to get permission to exercise it?" he said.

Vermont is the only other state that doesn't require special permits
to carry concealed weapons, he said.

Getting a permit requires the gun owner to go through some gun
education and training, and that's a good thing, said Begich. But like
other city officials, he said the people who shouldn't be allowed to
carry a gun would probably bypass the permits and carry one illegally
anyway.

He would like to see some gun education in the public schools, he
said. In Alaska, where so many people hunt or spend time in the
outdoors, guns are prevalent.

"Kids should understand the power of them and that there's a way to
handle them and not handle them," Begich said.

Daily News reporter Anne Aurand can be reached at or
257-4591.

The rules

• PER ALASKA STATUTE 11.61.220: Concealed guns may not be carried into
a courtroom or office of the Alaska Court System, a school yard, a
bar, a domestic violence or sexual assault shelter that receives
funding from the state, the premises or parking lot of a child care
center, or into another person's residence without their permission. A
person carrying a deadly weapon commits a crime if he doesn't
immediately inform any peace officer who contacts him for any reason
that the weapon is concealed on his person. He must allow a peace
officer to secure the weapon, or obey directions from the officer to
secure it.

********* It appears that Alaska and Vermont are not alone.....

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...820.xml&coll=2

Bills aim to oil concealed-carry law
Both seal lists; one would skip permit
Wednesday, September 14, 2005
Julie Carr Smyth
Plain Dealer Bureau

Columbus - A sweeping proposal debuted in the Ohio House Tuesday that
would further liberalize Ohio's rules for carrying concealed handguns.

The bill, sponsored by Cincinnati Republican Rep. Tom Brinkman, would
allow carrying with no permit, lift carefully negotiated restrictions
on hidden guns in public places, and cut off public access to
permit-holder information.

Brinkman's aide, Kara Joseph, called it "the real right-to-carry
bill." Twenty-four of 99 House members are co-sponsors.
Brinkman said support has grown for loosening gun restrictions
because Ohio's 17-month-old permitting process has been so successful.

"We have issued 45,000 gun permits and there's not been a single
incident of a citizen with a permit committing a crime," he said.

His new bill proposes a hybrid "Alaska-style" approach to concealed
weapons permitting, marrying Vermont's no-permit-required system with
training requirements and optional licensing, Joseph said. Some people
like having a permit they can carry to other states with reciprocal
gun agreements.

Brinkman's legislation is viewed as a long shot for passage, most
likely to be upstaged by a second concealed weapons bill being
prepared by Rep. Jim Aslanides, the Coshocton Republican who carried
2004 legislation repealing Ohio's longstanding concealed-carry ban.

Both bills would repeal a provision that allows journalists access to
the names of permit-holders by county. The records are otherwise off
limits to the public.

Frank Deaner, executive director of the Ohio Newspaper Association,
said his organization will fight for access.

"This isn't just a public records issue; this is a public safety
issue," he said. "There are all kinds of reasons why people might want
to know their friends and neighbors are carrying a concealed deadly
weapon."

Brinkman said simply, "They're concealed weapons and we want to keep
them that way."

His bill would also reverse restrictions against carrying concealed
guns on college campuses, in day-care centers, and in cars traveling
the highway. The State Highway Patrol lobbied successfully in 2004 for
requiring permit-holders to either carry their weapons on their person
or in a locked box while on the road.

Patrol spokesman Capt. John Born said the safeguards remain important
to the patrol - whose support was key to Gov. Bob Taft's support of
the 2004 CCW bill.
Taft also insisted on journalists' access to permit-holder names at
the time - and will continue to do so, said spokesman Mark Rickel.

"Those provisions were crucial to the governor's signing of the bill,"
he said, while stopping short of reviving any veto threat by the
governor.

Sen. Eric Fingerhut, a Shaker Heights Democrat, said the future of the
compromise "is clearly on Taft's shoulders."

"The National Rifle Association's intent was always to continue to
chip away at reasonable precautions that were negotiated into the bill
that they didn't like," Fingerhut said. "We have a responsibility not
to subcontract the gun policy of Ohio to the NRA."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

, 1-800-228-8272
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner