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Old June 8th 06, 03:52 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?

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Old June 8th 06, 04:11 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Jack" wrote in message
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Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?


You *could* do that, but if it were mine, I'd at least take a trip to a real
tile store, just to see if there were any patterns that are fantastic enough
to make you want to do all the work. It would be nasty to put in a
fiberglass thing, and then a week later, spot a tile job in a magazine and
be kicking yourself for the next however many years.


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Old June 8th 06, 04:12 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Jack wrote:
Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?


Hello Jack:

Been there, done that. Water was leaking through (very old plastic)
tile seams and the soap dish, into the wood and wallboard behind it.
We decided to do it right. Removed all of the tile, all the wallboard
behind it, and some of the studs behind that-----the studs were wet
too. Then we put in some new studding, concrete tile backerboard, and
new tile. That was about fifteen years ago, and it still looks and
works great.

My guess is that if the wood is wet, it will eventually rot. It is
unlikely to dry out much after the new wallboard and tile are in place.

Best -- Terry

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Old June 8th 06, 06:01 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Fix tile shower or put new fiberglass insert

I should have been more clear with my question:

I will not just cover over anything that is wet.. I will remove
everything that is wet.

My real question is, should I then rebuild with tile.. or rebuild with
a fiberglass insert. What are pros and cons of each?

I could take or leave aesthetics of tile, and if a fiberglass can do
the same job cheaper I am leaning that way.. but again, looking for
others opinions on what is the best way to rebuild after I repair all
wet damage.

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Old June 8th 06, 06:20 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Jack;
You need to go to a home depot or lowes to see the
actual difference. I for one was going down this
very road awhile ago. The fiberglass / pastic walls(shower
enclosures)
are cheaper, but the dont look that great and also seem hollow/cheap.
I dont even want to think of what would happen in the stuff cracked....

The ones I saw were around 500.00 for the whole unit.

With a good shower base and tiles I was in the 800.00 range.

The only thing is labor. I did the job myself. If I had someone
else doing it, just putting in a whole unit would have been much
cheaper. The work putting up the walls and tiling the whole thing
would have made the tile job much more expensive if I had to
pay for labor.

In any case, I went for putting in a nice heavy fiberglass/acrylic
showerbase
(400.00 one) with some concrete under it to really make it strong.
(wasnt pure concrete it was some mixed that was sold at home depot)

Anyhow I put the base in and then put cement board
up the walls with a tar paper underlayment.

I tiled the whole thing and am very pleased with it.

The plastic stuff looks cheap and reminds me of a
bates motel sort of thing. Go to a showroom and
see this stuff in person. I know its a matter of taste
and money, but if you are going to do the work yourself
you can probably get away with doing the material cost
for only a little more money than the of the plastic enclosure.
It will add more value to your home as well, people wont
be scared to shower in it either!

Tom



Jack wrote:
I should have been more clear with my question:

I will not just cover over anything that is wet.. I will remove
everything that is wet.

My real question is, should I then rebuild with tile.. or rebuild with
a fiberglass insert. What are pros and cons of each?

I could take or leave aesthetics of tile, and if a fiberglass can do
the same job cheaper I am leaning that way.. but again, looking for
others opinions on what is the best way to rebuild after I repair all
wet damage.


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Old June 8th 06, 06:42 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On 8 Jun 2006 10:01:37 -0700, "Jack" wrote:

I should have been more clear with my question:

I will not just cover over anything that is wet.. I will remove
everything that is wet.

My real question is, should I then rebuild with tile.. or rebuild with
a fiberglass insert. What are pros and cons of each?

I could take or leave aesthetics of tile, and if a fiberglass can do
the same job cheaper I am leaning that way.. but again, looking for
others opinions on what is the best way to rebuild after I repair all
wet damage.



Depends what you're trying to optimize for,
durability, ease of cleaning, ease of installation,
feel, or cost.




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"Jack" wrote in message
oups.com...
Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?

Had a tile shower stall--over time it was maintenance headache. Cleaning the
tile, regrouting etc. Had a problem that required one of two ways to
go----retile the stall or rip it out and go for an acrylic. Went for a
Sterling Neo-Corner acrylic shower stall. Haven't looked back since----it
was a pain to put in but it has been a pleasure-----squeegee after a shower
keeps it nice and clean, NO grout, no scum, no scrubbing the base. If
you're going long term do what you want, don't let short term dictate what
you end up with.
MLD


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Old June 8th 06, 10:00 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Jack" wrote in message oups.com...
Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?


One issue would be size. Fiberglass pans only come in certain sizes.
I'm just in the process tiling a mud-set shower that I built to replace
a tiny fiberglass pan shower. By going to tile, I could increase the size to the
largest that would fit in my available space.

Bob

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Old June 8th 06, 10:13 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Jack wrote:
I should have been more clear with my question:

I will not just cover over anything that is wet.. I will remove
everything that is wet.

My real question is, should I then rebuild with tile.. or rebuild with
a fiberglass insert. What are pros and cons of each?

I could take or leave aesthetics of tile, and if a fiberglass can do
the same job cheaper I am leaning that way.. but again, looking for
others opinions on what is the best way to rebuild after I repair all
wet damage.


Hello again Jack:

Tile: much wider variety available; looks better (my opinion); stands
up to scrubbing better in the long run; but requires some skill;
cutting tile is a pain in the @$$; grouting is also a pain in the @$$;
grout should be sealed regularly.

Fiberglass: probably easier for most people to install, and faster;
fewer places for water to leak through (if grout chips out, water can
pass thru). A single-piece fiberglass insert is likely to be best but
is also fairly expensive and may be difficult to bring into the
bathroom.

I don't know which is cheaper but when comparing price, it's probably
best to compare the tile you wish to use against the fiberglass insert
you wish to use. Don't forget to add the cost of adhesive and grout.

One other alternative is the kind of plastic insert that consists of
flat panels. Two panels for the ends, two or three more for the back.
A good-quality insert of that type runs about $100, isn't difficult to
install, and will look good for quite a while. We installed one of
those in the kids' bathroom two years ago, and it still looks very
good. The type we got goes the whole way to the ceiling and has
built-in soap/shampoo shelves and a washcloth rod. Be sure to get the
correct adhesive and get more than you think you'll need.

Best -- Terry

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Old June 9th 06, 01:39 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Jack wrote:
Found my tile shower to be leaking.. plumber in the house for another
project told me to break out bottom 6 inches of tile, and the floor
tile and he would install new pan.. then we tile back over and be done
with it. One I did that it was clear the wet wood continues up higher
than 6 inches..

Now my thought is that it would be stupid to try to repair and
re-tile.. and I should just remove all tile and replace with one of
those fiberglass insert jobs. Doesn't that make more sense?

They both get cruddy unless you do daily maintenance. Tile lasts
forever, fib. doesn't. Last year I removed and replaced the grout in
one of our 35 y/o baths. The second bath is fine. Neighbors have
ripped theirs out because the grout deteriorated and major leaks existed
before anything was done. Tile bath, good ventilation, done right, is
my choice ) Put in a grab bar - you might get old or break a leg
someday )
 




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