We should all take a pause
 

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry

"Ba r r y" wrote in message
...
I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry

I'd say it depends on the job how accurate the tools need to be. Putting up
wainscotting and stock moldings sounds like the type of job that might not
require tight tolerances.

todd

Ba r r y wrote:

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

'S ok - when he gets ready to build cabinets (and furniture) for
his added living space, he'll be really glad to have you as his
neighbor! g

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:12:49 -0600, "Todd Fatheree"
wrote:


I'd say it depends on the job how accurate the tools need to be. Putting up
wainscotting and stock moldings sounds like the type of job that might not
require tight tolerances.

Did you read what I said about the saw?

He's ripping s4s, cutting miters, all stain grade work.

The fence is STYROFOAM!! =8^0

I have NICE tools, a General 650, DJ-20, good hand tools, and a lot of
other good stuff. People tell me the things I make are nice. Some
like them so much, they buy them. Some of the things are furniture,
others are built in's. I understand all about accuracy. G

Barry

In article ,
Ba r r y wrote:

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry

*I* think that's cool.

There a guy near here, who has a $10,000.00+ Felder with Unobtanium
blades, laser beams, GPS, FWD, AM/FM, you name it....and he builds bird
houses and whirlygigs...BADLY! Just awful workmanship.

Maybe he needs that Styrofoam fence?

*G*

Robatoy (formerly sandman)

"Ba r r y" wrote in message
...
I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

I guess he measures the result, not the tool. Though "viewing distance" is
certainly a player.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:06:12 GMT, Ba r r y
wrote:

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Is his name Michael and does he post here under a pseudonym claiming
to never watch television?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:54:46 -0500, Robatoy
wrote:


There a guy near here, who has a $10,000.00+ Felder with Unobtanium
blades, laser beams, GPS,

The thought of a saw with GPS just made me spit my soda on the
monitor. =8^)

Yup, we haven't moved!

Barry

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:43 -0500, "George" george@least wrote:


I guess he measures the result, not the tool. Though "viewing distance" is
certainly a player.

How's 2-3 feet sound?

Barry

Todd Fatheree wrote:

"Ba r r y" wrote in message
...

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry


I'd say it depends on the job how accurate the tools need to be. Putting up
wainscotting and stock moldings sounds like the type of job that might not
require tight tolerances.

todd


"Sounds like" paints a sad commentary of your experience. I work and
live in an industry that requires me to install window/door trim, case,
base, crown, as well as a multitude of other things to a high level of
accuracy. We often refer to our joints (made in the field) as "dead tight".

Thinking of someone who has made work for sale (the OP) complimenting
said work would indicate that it must have been, at the very least,
above average. To then think that the work was done on a single piece of
equipment, and the one described, is even more impressive.

When we set in on a job there is an entire room of equipment, a mini
shop, to trim out a job not to mention the equipment needed for actual
installation.

Mark

styrofoam fence. . . . . .!!!! maybe it is better to be lucky than =
smart. . .

--=20
SwampBug
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"Ba r r y" wrote in message =
...
I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry

"Mark" wrote in message
ink.net...
I'd say it depends on the job how accurate the tools need to be.
Putting up
wainscotting and stock moldings sounds like the type of job that might
not
require tight tolerances.

todd


"Sounds like" paints a sad commentary of your experience. I work and
live in an industry that requires me to install window/door trim, case,
base, crown, as well as a multitude of other things to a high level of
accuracy. We often refer to our joints (made in the field) as "dead
tight".

I'm only going by the information presented. And I left out an important
piece of information in my post. My last sentence should have more clearly
stated that it might not require tight tolerances in the table saw. Putting
up moldings (that look good) requires a lot of accuracy. But I wouldn't
expect that the difficult part about putting up moldings, which is getting
the angles cut accurately, isn't generally a job for the table saw anyway.
Barry didn't say that the table saw was his only tool, just his "major" one.
He may have a CMS or even a miter box he cuts those with. IF he's cutting
the plywood with the table saw setup described, I'd be impressed, though it
wouldn't be the procedure I'd use with even the slightly nicer table saw
setup that I have. I'd probably use a straight edge and circular saw, since
I have trouble handling plywood sheets on the table saw. Beyond that, I did
say that it "might' not require tight tolerances, since I don't know exactly
the scope of the project that was briefly described. However, I should
probably defer to Barry who has actually seen it.

todd

Hi Barry,

Thanks..now I feel like a real weenie for ordering
that Grizzly 1023SL last week.

Sheeesh....

:-)

Lou

In article , Ba r r y
wrote:

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!

Barry

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G


I figured years ago that my talent at woodworking may not be as good as I
hoped! I figured out that good tools do help make up some of my inadaquacy.
One the other hand, I swear someone with real talent could build fine
furniture with a chainsaw.
Greg

loutent wrote in :

Hi Barry,

Thanks..now I feel like a real weenie for ordering
that Grizzly 1023SL last week.

Sheeesh....

:-)


Why? Can't you get it with the StyroFence option?

Patriarch

"Ba r r y" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:43 -0500, "George" george@least wrote:


I guess he measures the result, not the tool. Though "viewing distance"
is
certainly a player.

How's 2-3 feet sound?


Good enough to leave some things that you'd have to remove if designed to be
viewed within bifocal range. Then there's proportion.

A tool is only as good as the person using it.

On 3 Jan 2005 07:39:45 -0800, "WoodchuckCanuck"
wrote:

A tool is only as good as the person using it.

The results are only as good as the person using the tool. The tool
itself can be outstanding and still turn out crappy work.

This applies even to high-tech wondertools. Over in the metalworking
group someone recently mentioned receiving a lot of parts which were
manufactured to close tolerances and extreme precision -- to the wrong
dimensions.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:06:12 GMT, Ba r r y
wrote:

I just checked out my neighbor's job fitting out and finishing his
basement. He did a kick ass job, it really came out well. All
materials were store bought moldings, wainscot, oak plywood, etc...

Why am I posting this?

His "major tool" is a direct drive, Craftsman table saw, with about a
14" x 14" table top. He paid $15 for it at a yard sale. Get this,
his fence is a piece of PINK FOAM INSULATION BOARD! G

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

FWIW, He dosen't have cable and doesn't know who Norm, David Marks,
etc... are.

Cool!


A phrase I came across here a couple of weeks ago comes to mind-

"A determined man with one rusty wrench can do more work than a
slackard with a box full of tools." (IIRC)

Seems to fit the bill here!

Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat, or a
fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

I know I already replied to this, but I like the topic. I noticed
that at about the time I started subscribing to WW magazines and
spending a bit of time reading about the subject on line, I began to
feel like my tools were just pathetically inadequate, and I'd never
reach a superb level of artistry unless I went out and got myself
widget X and Power tool Y. Got pretty bad for a while- to the point
where I didn't even want to attempt anything worth doing, lest I
discover that I just couldn't make it work out with the aforementioned
tools. Then I finally got myself out of my funk, and got back into
the shop- and surprise! all my tools worked just fine, and my projects
were as good as ever (which is to say, good enough to show folks
without any embarassment- but not quite ready for the museum)

You're right- it's a good idea to pause and take stock of things from
time to time. You don't *need* anything to make something nice-
sometimes a $10 handsaw from the borg can make as fine a piece as a
$1500 table saw in the right hands!
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Prometheus wrote:
Here on the wreck, we debate if a tabletop that's .002 from flat,
or a fence that's toed out by .005", is acceptable.

I know I already replied to this, but I like the topic. I noticed
that at about the time I started subscribing to WW magazines and
spending a bit of time reading about the subject on line, I began to
feel like my tools were just pathetically inadequate, and I'd never
reach a superb level of artistry unless I went out and got myself
widget X and Power tool Y. Got pretty bad for a while- to the point
where I didn't even want to attempt anything worth doing, lest I
discover that I just couldn't make it work out with the
aforementioned tools. Then I finally got myself out of my funk, and
got back into the shop- and surprise! all my tools worked just fine,
and my projects were as good as ever (which is to say, good enough
to show folks without any embarassment- but not quite ready for the
museum)

You're right- it's a good idea to pause and take stock of things from
time to time. You don't *need* anything to make something nice-
sometimes a $10 handsaw from the borg can make as fine a piece as a
$1500 table saw in the right hands!
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

A family story said that when my great-grandfather died there was great
interest in his woodworking tools but inspite of the things he made and
carved all there was in the basement were a few knives and planes.

Josie