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OT - Better Late Than Never
Being as it's the holiday season, here's a couple of holiday songs.
Even if they are just a bit late. Enjoy. http://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/...-hogswatch.mp3 http://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/...nrighteous.mp3 JOAT People without "things" are just intelligent animals. |
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Greg O wrote:
If you are worried about virus', you better just stay off the 'net! Greg Or just stay away from Microsoft software |
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I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware
there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Can an MP3 file carry a virus? -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. http://www.autodrill.com http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com V8013 |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:56:11 -0500, "Joe"
wrote: I really don't know and WILL NOT interested to find out (learn the hard way). I know "scr, pif, png" are dangerous. Why take the chance? :-) I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Can an MP3 file carry a virus? |
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If you are worried about virus', you better just stay off the 'net!
Greg "WD" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:32:11 -0500, (J T) wrote: I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Being as it's the holiday season, here's a couple of holiday songs. Even if they are just a bit late. Enjoy. http://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/...-hogswatch.mp3 http://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/...g-the-unrighte ous.mp3 JOAT People without "things" are just intelligent animals. |
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Sun, Jan 2, 2005, 10:56am (EST-1) (WD) says:
I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" I never look at ANYTHING that includes the words "Bill Clinton". JOAT People without "things" are just intelligent animals. |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:56:10 -0600, WD wrote:
The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Now that's funny. tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage) |
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(WD) says:
I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Why do you think that either of them is a virus. I take it you DO have an anti-virus program. It should take care of any viruses you might actually run into. Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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"J T" wrote in message The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" I never look at ANYTHING that includes the words "Bill Clinton". JOAT People without "things" are just intelligent animals. Monica looked at Bill Clinton zip. Oh, that should be unzip. |
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J T wrote:
Sun, Jan 2, 2005, 10:56am (EST-1) (WD) says: I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" I never look at ANYTHING that includes the words "Bill Clinton". JOAT People without "things" are just intelligent animals. Why? do you think it is a come on? Sorry I couldn't help it. |
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J T wrote:
Sun, Jan 2, 2005, 10:56am (EST-1) (WD) says: I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" I never look at ANYTHING that includes the words "Bill Clinton". I hope you didn't UNZIP "Bill Clinton" gdr -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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"Glenna Rose" wrote in message
If you are worried about virus', you better just stay off the 'net! Greg Or use a Mac. :-) And if Apple changed places with Microsoft as far as popularity, then hackers would be writing malicious code for Macintosh. So, what's your point? |
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"Upscale" wrote: "Glenna Rose" wrote in message If you are worried about virus', you better just stay off the 'net! Greg Or use a Mac. :-) And if Apple changed places with Microsoft as far as popularity, then hackers would be writing malicious code for Macintosh. So, what's your point? And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. What is YOUR point? -- -JR Hung like Einstein and smart as a horse Remove NO SPAM from e-mai address to reply |
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"JR-jred" wrote in message
And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. What is YOUR point? My point is that I'm thoroughly tired of the elitist bull**** that Mac users spout whenever problems with Microsoft come up. I use Windows and I even admit to using Outlook. So what? I use whatever program is appropriate for me at that moment of time. Those programs as well as a few dozen others do what I want them to do, when I want them to. A decent firewall and virus checker and I'm good to whenever I want. So all you Mac users, if you're going to criticise the operating system I use when I've never once bother to criticise whatever you use, then Go **** Yourself. |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:24:40 -0500, Upscale wrote:
So all you Mac users, if you're going to criticise the operating system I use when I've never once bother to criticise whatever you use, then Go **** Yourself. Keep using Windows instead of Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, ... and you'll do it to yourself ;-) - Doug -- To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard) |
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
Keep using Windows instead of Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, ... and you'll do it to yourself ;-) Well, considering it's been at least a dozen years, what's taking it so long? Oh, by the way Doug, thanks' for confirming yourself as a smug asshole. See the there Doug? Like you, I'm trying to be funny. Got that asshole? |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0500, Upscale wrote:
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message Keep using Windows instead of Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, ... and you'll do it to yourself ;-) Well, considering it's been at least a dozen years, what's taking it so long? Oh, by the way Doug, thanks' for confirming yourself as a smug asshole. See the there Doug? Like you, I'm trying to be funny. Got that asshole? And thank you for confirming yourself as being worthy of invisibility. -- To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard) |
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No, it can't. The trick it to make sure that the URL you see when
clicking in actually the one being gone to. If you're using an inteligent news reader (like Agent for windows, or just about anything for Linux) you won't have to worry, but any of the MS ones can be fooled into showing one url and going to another. -Keith On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:56:11 -0500, "Joe" wrote: I rather be late than NEVER have viruses in my computer. Are you aware there were so many viruses being posted the last few days? The last one was "Bill Clinton.zip" Can an MP3 file carry a virus? |
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:24:40 -0500, Upscale wrote: So all you Mac users, if you're going to criticise the operating system I use when I've never once bother to criticise whatever you use, then Go **** Yourself. Keep using Windows instead of Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, ... and you'll do it to yourself ;-) Keep encouraging people to use something other than Windows and maybe something else will become popular enough to become an attractive target, at which point you'll have screwed all the Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, OS/2, Plan 9, BeOS, or whatever users out there who get caught by the resulting flood of malware. - Doug -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:24:13 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
Keep encouraging people to use something other than Windows and maybe something else will become popular enough to become an attractive target, at which point you'll have screwed all the Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, OS/2, Plan 9, BeOS, or whatever users out there who get caught by the resulting flood of malware. This is the standard Windows advocate response but it's not likely, at least to the same degree and for many reasons. The folks who do make the switch are inclined to and must learn more than the plug & play of Windows - things such as not to run everything with root/administrator priviliges, the importance of properly configured and operating firewalls, never auto-opening attachments, running spam/virus filters, etc. Having upgraded windows machines that auto reboot / freeze up for no reason, many times I have found they run without problems after installing linux, bsd, etc. which speaks to the quality/reliability of the software. Of the 5 machines that are currently in use in my house, one is a new Dell XP for my wife and the other four are ex Windows boxes that had the reboot/blue-screen/freeze-up syndromes that having been reloaded with linux/bsd have never suffered any of these afflictions. I'm hoping the the new XP machine with all it's service packs/critical upgrades is an improvement over previous experiences, and for it's one weeks worth of use, it hasn't had to be rebooted or done it on its own. At least I've been able to start the weaning process of getting my wife off the never ending Windows costs by opting for OpenOffice rather than the $495 MS Office Professional suite. That would have doubled the cost of the new Dell! So far, she has no problems with OpenOffice and there are some bucks for the shop/wood available that wouldn't have been otherwise. - Doug -- To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard) |
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"Upscale" writes: My point is that I'm thoroughly tired of the elitist bull**** that Mac users spout whenever problems with Microsoft come up. Relax, the Mac is a niche product. In the graphic arts, Mac users aren't "elite", because they all use Macs. Not because they're better, but because they've always used Macs, and why switch now? It's a nice machine, but it's Unix underneath, and Linux has improved a lot lately (check out http://www.mepis.org/) Apart from popularity, there are two other reasons why Windows gets hit with more viruses: The first is that when MS does release patches, a lot of people don't install them, for whatever reason. There have been virus outbreaks where the patches already existed. The other is that since MS got hit first, the other guys have had time to get their houses in order. The old MacOS was said to be very insecure, the current one is much less so. Many linux distributions used to be insecure by default, but now they're not. I use Windows and I even admit to using Outlook. So what? Outlook can be replaced... |
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Upscale wrote:
"JR-jred" wrote in message And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. What is YOUR point? My point is that I'm thoroughly tired of the elitist bull**** that Mac users spout whenever problems with Microsoft come up. Why not look at it as if someone was saying there maybe something that makes a better dado than a wobble? Microsoft DID make decisions years ago that continue to negatively affect the reliability and security of their products. Security at MS is job 1.1. I use Windows and I even admit to using Outlook. So what? I use whatever program is appropriate for me at that moment of time. Those programs as well as a few dozen others do what I want them to do, when I want them to. A decent firewall and virus checker and I'm good to whenever I want. In some important ways, Microsoft is the "Craftsman" brand of software, complete with "features" analogus to the notorious C*man router random height adjustment. They're getting better with some products. A year and a half ago I bought two new Dell desktops. The computers are almost identical. WinXP Pro is on one and Windows Server 2003 is on the other. The server box has run flawlessly. It boots nearly as quick as my TV. I'm quite impressed with WinServer 2003. The WinXP box, OTOH, has required a lot of my time to keep functional as the "family" PC. For example Windows Update no longer works automatically; I have muck around a bit to make it work. I got interested in programming in 1976 and have more or less grown up with the PC industry. Here's my really short version of why much MS software has problems: MS PC software started as a "toy" or "hobbiest" level product. PC-DOS 1.0 and MS-DOS 1.0 were for single user, unsecured computers. Most early PCs only had 2 floppies, but I spent about $2k to get a 10 MB hard drive. ("10 Megabytes? My god, what will you do with all that space?") There was no security in MSDOS 1.0. I could access any bit of memory anytime. By contrast, the mainframe and minicomputers of the area were designed with security in mind. Multiple people used them at the same time, and problems like making sure one person's printout was finished before starting the next person's job had been solved for years. As MSDOS and later Windows needed to do more and more, like security and networking, these features were "bolted on." To use the Craftsman analogy, they started with a bare-bones 1/2 HP direct-drive bench saw and added cast iron wings, 1.5" dado capability, both left and right tilt, and a sliding cutoff table. They also hung a 2 HP motor below the 1/2 motor and rigged some belts to help the 1/2 HP motor spin the blade. (Not far from the literal truth. g) Win NT 4.0, Win 2000 and Win Server 2003 I've had good results with. But Win 3.x, 95, 95B, 98, 98 SR2, ME and to some extent XP I've had problems with. Before .NET, it was really, really, *really* hard to write install programs for non-trivial software that would work on Win 95 to 2000. *Really* difficult, nearing impossibility, if you had to mess with MDAC (Microsoft Data Access Confusion.) I like MS's .NET. It's a whale of a product. Security was designed in, not bolted on. I'm glad MS works for you. Be sure to keep the patches & virus definitions current. I've started running spyware/malware protection as well as hosts file blocking on all my machines. If that's a "Huh?" for anyone I recommend setting your newsreader to news.grc.com and have a look, especially in grc.security, grc.security.software and grc.spyware. That's where I learned what to do and what to avoid. -- Mark |
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"Mark Jerde" wrote in message
news:%8qCd.23886 Why not look at it as if someone was saying there maybe something that makes a better dado than a wobble? Because the attitude is different. Craftsman, Canadian Tire, Princess Auto, whatever tools are out there, people here will mostly say they don't like them, but they don't launch into a tirade of everything that's wrong with them. Instead people offer suggestions for a different improved product or model. That doesn't happen when someone is putting down Windows. It's all about that it's crap and person is a clueless idiot for using it. I don't criticise someone for using Craftsman, more power to them. By the same token, I don't go after someone solely because they don't use Windows. The reverse is not true. In some important ways, Microsoft is the "Craftsman" brand of software, complete with "features" analogus to the notorious C*man router random height adjustment. See? Now that's a friendly comment and not at all personal. The way it was phrased doesn't bother me at all. That's not the way it was with all the other Windows putdown comments in this thread. The only thing I can assume is that all the non-Windows users out there feel putdown somehow. They believe they have a superior product, but for some reason, Windows still holds the majority of the market. Even if it's only because of superior marketing that makes Windows the most popular OS, it still in some way belittles all the other OS's out there. Whatever reason, they're product is less in some way. That's the attitude that prevails when they attack Windows users and I'm sick to death of it. |
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In article , Upscale
wrote: The only thing I can assume is that all the non-Windows users out there feel putdown somehow. Hmm. I'm a "non-Windows user" and don't feel put down at all. I don't typically respond to anti-Mac rants, nor do I make anti-Windows slags. I'm sincerely glad that you feel totally satisfied with your platform choice. I'm totally satisfied with my choice as well. WTF it has to do with woodworking, I'll leave to someone else to explain. |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:50:22 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote:
Hmm. I'm a "non-Windows user" and don't feel put down at all. I don't typically respond to anti-Mac rants, nor do I make anti-Windows slags. I'm sincerely glad that you feel totally satisfied with your platform choice. I'm totally satisfied with my choice as well. WTF it has to do with woodworking, I'll leave to someone else to explain. OOh! I know this one! I'll take "nothing at all" for 200, Dave. |
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