I'm knocking out a little set of shelves to go under one wing of my TS and
hold my collection of hand planes close to my workbench.

I had one odd piece of plywood salvaged from a library magazine rack, and I
more or less just started cutting on it without a concrete plan. I made
the first crosscut as wide of a piece as I could manage in my little shop;
somewhere in the neighborhood of 30". I cut the next one to the same
length. That left me with a third piece a smidge longer than the first
two. I ripped it into four equal pieces 3" wide. I chose to use narrow
uprights to encourage air circulation, to keep the rust off my planes.

What I want to end up with is a simple shelf with four upright pieces and
two shelves. I might make a third shelf out of another piece of this
magazine rack. So now I'm left with a choice for how to join the shelves
to the uprights.

Plan A. I could cut dadoes in all four upright pieces to admit the shelves.
Then glue and screw them in. Problems with this plan a no dado stack,
and that's a lot of kerf-and-chiseling to do; a lot of room to screw up.
Advantages a easy to keep the shelves level, probably strong with
minimal glue/screw if I get the dadoes to fit tightly.

Plan B. I could cut notches out of all the shelves to admit the uprights.
Problems with this plan a alignment/leveling of the shelves becomes
more problematic. Advantages: less kerf-and-chiseling to do.

Plan C. Just screw the damn thing together. Advantages: it doesn't have to
take much weight, and that would probably be fine. Disadvantages: it
seems like a really wussy thing for a Real Dorker to do.

Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.

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You don't have a router to cut the dados?

Dave Balderstone wrote:

You don't have a router to cut the dados?

The short answer is no. The long answer involves a lot of ranting about
what a completely useless POS my router is.

I'd rather have a dado stack anyway, if it comes down to spending money. I
can wait indefinitely before getting a new router.

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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:00:56 -0500, Silvan
wrote:


Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.
A rule in the brotherhood of woodworking states that in any set of two
or more options you *must* reject any options that do not require new
tools.

TWS

Silvan wrote:
I'm knocking out a little set of shelves to go under one wing of my TS and
hold my collection of hand planes close to my workbench.

[snip]
Plan A. I could cut dadoes in all four upright pieces to admit the shelves.
Then glue and screw them in. Problems with this plan a no dado stack,
and that's a lot of kerf-and-chiseling to do; a lot of room to screw up.
Advantages a easy to keep the shelves level, probably strong with
minimal glue/screw if I get the dadoes to fit tightly.

Plan B. I could cut notches out of all the shelves to admit the uprights.
Problems with this plan a alignment/leveling of the shelves becomes
more problematic. Advantages: less kerf-and-chiseling to do.

Plan C. Just screw the damn thing together. Advantages: it doesn't have to
take much weight, and that would probably be fine. Disadvantages: it
seems like a really wussy thing for a Real Dorker to do.

Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.


Sounds to me like what YOU want to do is Plan A and Plan D, not
necessarily in that order. You have my blessing.
mahalo,
jo4hn

In article , Silvan
wrote:

I'd rather have a dado stack anyway, if it comes down to spending money. I
can wait indefinitely before getting a new router.

As long as there's a new tool involved, then you're on the right track.
My POS saw won't accept a dado stack, so I invested in the router and
find I can't live without it.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:00:56 -0500, Silvan
wrote:

I'm knocking out a little set of shelves to go under one wing of my TS and
hold my collection of hand planes close to my workbench.

I had one odd piece of plywood salvaged from a library magazine rack, and I
more or less just started cutting on it without a concrete plan. I made
the first crosscut as wide of a piece as I could manage in my little shop;
somewhere in the neighborhood of 30". I cut the next one to the same
length. That left me with a third piece a smidge longer than the first
two. I ripped it into four equal pieces 3" wide. I chose to use narrow
uprights to encourage air circulation, to keep the rust off my planes.

What I want to end up with is a simple shelf with four upright pieces and
two shelves. I might make a third shelf out of another piece of this
magazine rack. So now I'm left with a choice for how to join the shelves
to the uprights.

Plan A. I could....

snip a bunch of terrible half assed ideas.....



Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.

Uh Huh......

Silvan wrote:
Dave Balderstone wrote:


You don't have a router to cut the dados?


The short answer is no. The long answer involves a lot of ranting about
what a completely useless POS my router is.

I'd rather have a dado stack anyway, if it comes down to spending money. I
can wait indefinitely before getting a new router.


IMO the cost of a reasonable dado set is a significant part of a good
router,
and whereas a dado set is only good for one job, namely cutting through
dados,
a router is a multi functional tool, which, with a little ingenuity can
do a better
job than a dado.

Last year I had a number of shelves to build into kitchen cabinets and
routed them all. I set up 2 parallel boards onto wooden bearers, one
board was fixed and the other slotted for small adjustment to allow for
differences between the ply thickness.

Unless you are always working ply and add lipping after all machining I
don't see the great attraction of dado sets.

BernardR

Cut, butt, back fully. Planes have happily lived in fully enclosed
toolchests for literally centuries.

What concerns me is that you've got something more suited at 3" to mount on
a wall rather than stand up. My under wing shelf (8") gets bumped once in
a while, which makes me glad that it holds only unbreakable.

"Silvan" wrote in message
...
I'm knocking out a little set of shelves to go under one wing of my TS and
hold my collection of hand planes close to my workbench.

I had one odd piece of plywood salvaged from a library magazine rack, and
I
more or less just started cutting on it without a concrete plan. I made
the first crosscut as wide of a piece as I could manage in my little shop;
somewhere in the neighborhood of 30". I cut the next one to the same
length. That left me with a third piece a smidge longer than the first
two. I ripped it into four equal pieces 3" wide. I chose to use narrow
uprights to encourage air circulation, to keep the rust off my planes.

TWS wrote:

Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.

A rule in the brotherhood of woodworking states that in any set of two
or more options you *must* reject any options that do not require new
tools.

Cool. Can I get that calligraphed on vellum somewhere so's to make it look
all official and stuff?

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

George wrote:

Cut, butt, back fully. Planes have happily lived in fully enclosed
toolchests for literally centuries.

It's an unheated space. Everything rusts like crazy certain times of year
unless I keep the air flowing.

What concerns me is that you've got something more suited at 3" to mount
on
a wall rather than stand up. My under wing shelf (8") gets bumped once
in a while, which makes me glad that it holds only unbreakable.

That didn't come through very well in my rant. The uprights are 3" but the
shelves are, well, bigger. I'm not sure how bigger. Call it 18" x 30"
with a total of four uprights.

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

Bernard R wrote:

IMO the cost of a reasonable dado set is a significant part of a good
router,
and whereas a dado set is only good for one job, namely cutting through
dados,

Hah. I'd love to have a dado set. There are lots of uses for a wide kerf
in one pass. A lot of these uses are an alternative to using a banshee to
do the same job.

I'm not a router virgin, I just don't like them much. There are other ways
to do almost everything, and I prefer those other ways. I can coax my
piece of crap router into doing everything I *have* to use it for (namely,
picture frame type stuff), and beyond that, I really have little use for
it. Replacing it has been at the bottom of my list for years.

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Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

jo4hn wrote:

Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.


Sounds to me like what YOU want to do is Plan A and Plan D, not
necessarily in that order. You have my blessing.

The Mibro one at Lowe's is not recommended, is it?

I guess I should STFW already. I'm sure that question has been beaten to
death.

I'm thinking in that direction, although maybe not quite yet. I should just
slap it together and get it over with really, and save my dado set money to
put toward zither pins and stuff. I've got a hankering to build a hammered
dulcimer. Got some, well, I hate to admit it, but, yes, plans (ugh) to see
how these things work, and I think I can pull it off. I've wanted one for
yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs. This is sounding like a plan.

First I have to secure supplies of species not locally available. It seems
to be 100% universal that these things always use rock maple where it
counts, and all I can get is soft. I need to get some real plywood too.
This stuff I've got has pine plys. Yuck.

Ugh. Maybe I should buy the dado set anyway.

(Or maybe I should wait until SWMBO's surgery bills come in, and see if I
can afford any of this. Damn, there I go being practical again. )

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

"Silvan" wrote in message
...
George wrote:

Cut, butt, back fully. Planes have happily lived in fully enclosed
toolchests for literally centuries.

It's an unheated space. Everything rusts like crazy certain times of year
unless I keep the air flowing.

What concerns me is that you've got something more suited at 3" to mount
on
a wall rather than stand up. My under wing shelf (8") gets bumped once
in a while, which makes me glad that it holds only unbreakable.

That didn't come through very well in my rant. The uprights are 3" but
the
shelves are, well, bigger. I'm not sure how bigger. Call it 18" x 30"
with a total of four uprights.

OK, so it is standing stable. Use cleats if it's not going to be shown as
an example of your woodworking prowess.

Still more dubious about the planes. They'll develop rust where they're
supported, so use something like that green plastic fencing material that
looks like expanded metal to set them on, or get them into a closed box with
camphor. Whatever you do, don't set them on bare wood, which actively grabs
water on its own.

George wrote:

OK, so it is standing stable. Use cleats if it's not going to be shown as
an example of your woodworking prowess.

Yeah, I could definitely do cleats, but they're so so lame. Might just do
that anyway because who wants to futz with any kind of fancy joinery in
plywood anyway?

Still more dubious about the planes. They'll develop rust where they're
supported, so use something like that green plastic fencing material that
looks like expanded metal to set them on, or get them into a closed box
with
camphor. Whatever you do, don't set them on bare wood, which actively
grabs water on its own.

Should be OK. They've been on my waxed workbench all summer/fall. Only a
couple of teensy rusty spots, up in the guts, like at the iron to frog
junction on just one plane. This wood is pre-finished with something. It
used to be a piece of furniture that I got for $2.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:45:08 -0500, Silvan
wrote:

TWS wrote:

Plan D. Use this as justification to buy a dado set.

A rule in the brotherhood of woodworking states that in any set of two
or more options you *must* reject any options that do not require new
tools.

Cool. Can I get that calligraphed on vellum somewhere so's to make it look
all official and stuff?
Might have to carve it into a nice hunk of lumber. Hmmm, might mean I
need to get some new carving knives or chisels...

TWS