Hello all,

On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table
saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the 22124
is $759.99.



I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an extra
10% off coupon.

Does that qualify as a gloat?

I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.

This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole
shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no
damage.

The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).

Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.

I also took plenty of pictures.

Go get 'em while they're on sale.

Gus

Hi Gus,
Talking about Craftsman on this NG will get you flamed. There are a lot
of C-man haters here.
However, you do have my envy. When I get done paying for my DC, I'll be
asking SWMBO if I can buy a new TS. Wish me luck.
Happy Holidays,
Joe








Gus wrote:
Hello all,

On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table
saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the 22124
is $759.99.



I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an extra
10% off coupon.

Does that qualify as a gloat?

I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.

This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole
shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no
damage.

The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).

Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.

I also took plenty of pictures.

Go get 'em while they're on sale.

Gus

I must be spending too much time in the shop and not getting enough air.
What is a hybrid table saw? Half gas, half electric?


--
Joe in Denver
my woodworking website:
http://www.the-wildings.com/shop/

"Gus" wrote in message
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Hello all,

On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table
saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the 22124
is $759.99.



I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an extra
10% off coupon.

Does that qualify as a gloat?

I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.

This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole
shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no
damage.

The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).

Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.

I also took plenty of pictures.

Go get 'em while they're on sale.

Gus

"Joe Wilding" wrote

I must be spending too much time in the shop and not getting enough air.
What is a hybrid table saw? Half gas, half electric?


Yup, it is a tree huggers delght.

The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces
electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.

Doncha just feel all warm and fuzzy?

Joe Wilding asks:

I must be spending too much time in the shop and not getting enough air.
What is a hybrid table saw? Half gas, half electric?

Now there's a thought for the next go round.

A hybrid saw is a kind of mutation of a contractor's saw towards a cabinet saw.
In the case of the Craftsman, the saw has a trunnions mounted on the cabinet (a
la the cabinet saw), is much heavier, has the motor inside, uses a single
belt--but a poly multi groove belt, machined pulleys and on.

In all 3 cases, the saws are 1-3/4 HP (Craftsman actually has two that are
1-1/2 HP, I think; The DeWalt and the Jet are 1-3/4).

Charlie Self
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Sir Winston
Churchill

Joe_Stein wrote:

Talking about Craftsman on this NG will get you flamed. There are a lot
of C-man haters here.

Yeah, and **** on'em too.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:17:54 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


"Joe Wilding" wrote

I must be spending too much time in the shop and not getting enough air.
What is a hybrid table saw? Half gas, half electric?


Yup, it is a tree huggers delght.

The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces
electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.

Doncha just feel all warm and fuzzy?

Wow! Just think of the explosion if this is combined with a DC system that
uses un-grounded PVC! I'd buy a ticket to see that!

igor wrote:

The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces
electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.

Doncha just feel all warm and fuzzy?

Wow! Just think of the explosion if this is combined with a DC system
that
uses un-grounded PVC! I'd buy a ticket to see that!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean people use UNGROUNDED PVC for DUST
COLLECTION?!?!?!?!?!?! Surely you're joking. You CAN'T be
serious!!!!!!!!!

If people did that, they would have a DUST EXPLOSION that might level forty
CITY BLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely NO-ONE would EVER do such a hideously dangerous thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

Ordered mine today, and it is supposed to be delivered next Thursday.
Could you please answer a question for me?

You indicate that it came encased on a pallet, but how heavy and bulky is
the heaviest piece (I'm assuming it doesn't come fully assembled)? I'm
guessing that Sears will drop it off in the garage, or even the driveway,
and I will have to get it to the basement workshop. I assumed I would
uncrate it in the garage and carry down the pieces, but am now starting to
worry if the heaviest piece will be more that my adult son and I can
handle.

Other than that, I can hardly wait to get it!!

Chuck

On 16 Dec 2004 10:31:22 -0800, Gus wrote:

Hello all,

On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table
saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the 22124
is $759.99.



I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an extra
10% off coupon.

Does that qualify as a gloat?

I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.

This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole
shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no
damage.

The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).

Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.

I also took plenty of pictures.

Go get 'em while they're on sale.

Gus

All 3 saws come packaged the same way. The lightest of the 3 is 319lbs. (I
work part time in their stockroom). These are definately "team-lift" items.

Kevin Daly

When I got my unisaw (drive by), I lured several of my son's friends using pizza.
Four strapping teens made short work of unloading and moving the saw around
(although it isn't in a basement).

Grant



Charlie Self wrote:

Chuck Roteck asks:

Ordered mine today, and it is supposed to be delivered next Thursday.
Could you please answer a question for me?

You indicate that it came encased on a pallet, but how heavy and bulky is
the heaviest piece (I'm assuming it doesn't come fully assembled)? I'm
guessing that Sears will drop it off in the garage, or even the driveway,
and I will have to get it to the basement workshop. I assumed I would
uncrate it in the garage and carry down the pieces, but am now starting to
worry if the heaviest piece will be more that my adult son and I can
handle.

Other than that, I can hardly wait to get it!!

Hard to say whether you can handle it or not, but I'd uncrate it first. Mine,
and from what I understand, all the others, came on a kind of pallet I'd never
seen before, with uprights made of tube steel. Be careful lifting that sucker
off or it will scrape the bejaysus out of the sides. Pull it of the pallet and
cart the fence and extensions down first. Then, you've got the main package. Do
NO further unpacking until it is moved to about its normal site.

I don't know what your basement entrance is like, nor the strength levels of
you and your son, so my advice stops there. I got mine into a workshop that has
an entry door level with the bed of a pick-up truck--and average pickup truck.
I used my S10, which meant my wife and I had to lift the package up about
8-10", not as easy a chore as it sounds with 400+ pounds. I finally tipped it
on its side (absolutely not recommended) and used rollers to get it up a sheet
of plywood.

Charlie Self
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Sir Winston
Churchill

Silvan wrote:
igor wrote:


The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces
electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.

Doncha just feel all warm and fuzzy?


Wow! Just think of the explosion if this is combined with a DC system
that
uses un-grounded PVC! I'd buy a ticket to see that!


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean people use UNGROUNDED PVC for DUST
COLLECTION?!?!?!?!?!?! Surely you're joking. You CAN'T be
serious!!!!!!!!!

If people did that, they would have a DUST EXPLOSION that might level forty
CITY BLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely NO-ONE would EVER do such a hideously dangerous thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm. Looks like ol' Silvie got hisself whupped with a sarcastic stick...

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:15:31 -0500, Silvan
wrote:
Joe_Stein wrote:

Talking about Craftsman on this NG will get you flamed. There are a lot
of C-man haters here.

Yeah, and **** on'em too.


Craftsman power seems to be improving. Couple years ago, their CMS was
a near thing (it had a better bevel scale), but I wound up with the
Official Robyn Hartyl model . . . must have a thing for Minnesota gals
or something (DeWalt)

They had crap for TS for about ten years, but their new models are
comparable at their price point.

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:15:31 -0500, Silvan
wrote:

Joe_Stein wrote:

Talking about Craftsman on this NG will get you flamed. There are a lot
of C-man haters here.

Yeah, and **** on'em too.


I make my "living" with my tools.

there are a lot of craftsman tools out there. some of them have fallen
into my hands, one way or the other. I've never bought any of them
new. I have gone in a few times and looked, but left emptyhanded.

somehow I have quite a few in the shop now. my 60's parks/craftsman
18" bandsaw is a tireless beast. I gots lotsa c'man open end wrenches
and such. I still have but basically never use my first router- a
pawnshop craftsman prolly built in the 60's. a couple of old craftsman
bench grinders that work well and get plenty of use.

then there are the ones that got ****canned. a newer craftsman router.
a pos jigsaw. a drill. some other unnamed junk.

I take or leave each tool on it's own merits. craftsman stuff mostly
gets left.

Then you probably have not even looked at their new hybrid saws.

These are quality machines and from what I've seen, they could well
silence the naysayers.


Gus

The machines do indeed have what it takes to silence the naysayers -- but it
likely won't happen. Bad habits die hard.

--
Enjoy life and *do* well by it
-- it might well be the only chance you get :-)

Steve,
http://www.ApacheTrail.com/ww/


"Gus" wrote in message
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Then you probably have not even looked at their new hybrid saws.

These are quality machines and from what I've seen, they could well
silence the naysayers.


Gus

Kevin Daly wrote:

All 3 saws come packaged the same way. The lightest of the 3 is 319lbs.
(I
work part time in their stockroom). These are definately "team-lift"
items.

I got my old last year's model one in and out of my four door sedan and into
my shop by myself. I think it weighs at least 300 pounds. 'Tweren't easy,
but I couldn't exactly get a lot of help from my then nine year old son,
and I was trying to get it out of the car and into the shop before anybody
had a chance to notice I had bought it. Much easier to answer the
awkward questions after it's all set up. What, this old thing?

I have a hand truck. I never could have done it without a hand truck.

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This thread is very encouraging. I'll probably be ready to upgrade my
TS in the next year or two. I need to get a new mountain bike too
though...

Anyway, has anybody heard if Grizzly has a hybrid on the way?

I'm hoping for one at a good price (I love my Griz 14" BS). Either way,
I'm going to need to get into Sears to take a look at these saws. Very
encouraging. I'm not anti-Craftsman, but my only Craftsman stuff is
farly old. My TS is a 1979 Craftsman contractor's saw, and works well
enough for me to keep it for the last 6 years as I got into this hobby.

-Mike




Gus wrote:
Hello all,

On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table
saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the
22124
is $759.99.



I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an
extra
10% off coupon.

Does that qualify as a gloat?

I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.

This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole
shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no
damage.

The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).

Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.

I also took plenty of pictures.

Go get 'em while they're on sale.

Gus

The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces
electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.

Sounds like the main product must be bull****.

On 17 Dec 2004 19:20:50 -0800, "Mike Reed"
calmly ranted:

This thread is very encouraging. I'll probably be ready to upgrade my
TS in the next year or two. I need to get a new mountain bike too
though...

Anyway, has anybody heard if Grizzly has a hybrid on the way?

AFAIK, nobody has a hybrid tablesaw/mountain bike for sale,
but it _certainly_ won't be Searz who comes out with one if
one is built some day.


--
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On 17 Dec 2004 19:20:50 -0800, "Mike Reed"
calmly ranted:

This thread is very encouraging. I'll probably be ready to upgrade
my
TS in the next year or two. I need to get a new mountain bike too
though...

Anyway, has anybody heard if Grizzly has a hybrid on the way?

AFAIK, nobody has a hybrid tablesaw/mountain bike for sale,
but it _certainly_ won't be Searz who comes out with one if
one is built some day.


--
Is the signal to noise ratio always this low on rec.woodworking?

Gus

Gus wrote:

Is the signal to noise ratio always this low on rec.woodworking?

Pretty much.

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Gus wrote:
Is the signal to noise ratio always this low on rec.woodworking?

Gus

What was that? You're breaking up.

Sorry, had the dust collector on, running the planer on 8" oak planks,
wearing my earmuffs.

Wait, my ears are still ringing. Get back to me in a couple days.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

-Mike

I just bought the 22124 and mobile base. With C-club, sale and
delivery $789.99 before tax and am waiting on a $60.00 rebate. I
looked at Delta & General (local dealer) and read all I could on
Grizzly and Powermatic. I'm graduating from 25yrs with a Shopsmith
and cannot believe how much easier a big, stays in place table, is to
use. I've been doing woodworking for 25 yrs, but since I'm not a pro,
I probably have 1 yr experience repeated 25 times!

3 horse, 3 belts are probably bare minimums for a cabinet shop but too
much for me. What sold me was Sear's, try it; see if you like it
policy. And so far, I like it. The blade/table alignment was perfect
out of the box. The fence cursor screw holes didn't match up, but
Bessy says they will send a new replacement. The Sears guys put mine
right in the shop for me.

I do have 1 question though. Are all cabinet saws quiet? My neighbor
has a Sears contractor saw and a friend has a JET saw and I have a
Shopsmith. It is impossible to talk over the noise of either. This
22124 is so quiet ripping oak that you can speak normally. Scary
actually!

bladeburner wrote:

I do have 1 question though. Are all cabinet saws quiet? My neighbor
has a Sears contractor saw and a friend has a JET saw and I have a
Shopsmith. It is impossible to talk over the noise of either. This
22124 is so quiet ripping oak that you can speak normally. Scary
actually!

My contractor's saw is that quiet. Maybe it's all relative. I graduated
from a screaming universal motor contraption that made every bit of the
same racket whethere there was a blade on the arbor or not. Now all I hear
is the gentle whisking of carbide ripping through the air. It was kind of
unsettling at first.

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In article , -
spam.invalid says...
...

I do have 1 question though. Are all cabinet saws quiet? My neighbor
has a Sears contractor saw and a friend has a JET saw and I have a
Shopsmith. It is impossible to talk over the noise of either. This
22124 is so quiet ripping oak that you can speak normally. Scary
actually!

Induction motors are much quieter than universal motors and their associated
gearboxes. But what you might be sensing between these saws is the blade. In my
limited experience, the thin kerf baldes are noisier cutting than the
conventional, full thickness blade.

George Pontis notes:
In article , -
spam.invalid says...
...

I do have 1 question though. Are all cabinet saws quiet? My neighbor
has a Sears contractor saw and a friend has a JET saw and I have a
Shopsmith. It is impossible to talk over the noise of either. This
22124 is so quiet ripping oak that you can speak normally. Scary
actually!

Induction motors are much quieter than universal motors and their associated
gearboxes. But what you might be sensing between these saws is the blade. In
my
limited experience, the thin kerf baldes are noisier cutting than the
conventional, full thickness blade.

Yes, but the Craftsman blade is a Leitz variable pitch--means the teeth and
gullets vary in size more than in most--thin kerf. The overall blade design
does make it quiet, though, and the saw itself is very quiet.

Charlie Self
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder
respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." George Orwell