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Cheap tools
Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good.
I am getting ready to make a some walnut columns 12" by 96" and need a bunch of 6" bar clamps. Checked Ebay and there were several sellers of the clamps. I picked the guy in AK as I figured the freight would be less and bought 16 clamps. Price was about $40 including freight. Nice surprise when they came. Bar is chrome plated, over all finish good and they work as well as the $20 name brand clamps. Contacted the seller and I can get another 100 for $210 including freight. Also bought a 40 piece set of 1/2" carbide router bits as the set had some that I wanted but never needed enough to buy. I was hoping that they would last long enough for small special projects and then I would throw them away as they were cheaper to buy than have sharpened. The first one I used was a 1/2" straight bit to rough out a 390 lb finial of fresh cut oak. ( You can see it on my site.) Milled the 14.5" square by 38" piece into an octagon removing about 100 lbs. At the end the bit was still sharp! WWW.Homier.com has large deep throat bar clamp sets. 6 for $20! I bought 2 sets when their traveling sale was here. They have worked great except for one which I had to weld the head on. I was at Wal Mart and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. -- Art Ransom Lancaster , Texas www.turningaround.org |
Do you work for Homier?
I can't think of any other reason to recommend their products (have once been stupid enough to have gone to one of their sales, and having every single item break the first time I used it.). |
I have found some of the same thoughts. While I never thought I would be mixing
Harbor Freight with my Delta, Porter Cable and Powermatic tastes. I needed a crown stapler for some light work, $20 at Harbor Freight and the dang thing works as well as my $140 PC brad nailer. 6" Pittsburgh clamps from Harbor Freight, sit right next to my Jorgensons, interchangable. I'm not about to replace my Powermatic tablesaw with a Harbor Freight or Homier don't get me wrong, but there are some pretty helpfull cheap items from those guys when you don't have enough usage to warrent the expense. Specifically the $7 dial indicator (great for TS alignement and joiner blade alignments), $20 digital caliper, pittsburg clamps, cheap bits (spade and forstner) when you want to grind an odd size. But have had some dissapointments also, T-Handle hex were pretty soft. Phil Art Ransom wrote: Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good. I am getting ready to make a some walnut columns 12" by 96" and need a bunch of 6" bar clamps. Checked Ebay and there were several sellers of the clamps. I picked the guy in AK as I figured the freight would be less and bought 16 clamps. Price was about $40 including freight. Nice surprise when they came. Bar is chrome plated, over all finish good and they work as well as the $20 name brand clamps. Contacted the seller and I can get another 100 for $210 including freight. Also bought a 40 piece set of 1/2" carbide router bits as the set had some that I wanted but never needed enough to buy. I was hoping that they would last long enough for small special projects and then I would throw them away as they were cheaper to buy than have sharpened. The first one I used was a 1/2" straight bit to rough out a 390 lb finial of fresh cut oak. ( You can see it on my site.) Milled the 14.5" square by 38" piece into an octagon removing about 100 lbs. At the end the bit was still sharp! WWW.Homier.com has large deep throat bar clamp sets. 6 for $20! I bought 2 sets when their traveling sale was here. They have worked great except for one which I had to weld the head on. I was at Wal Mart and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. -- Art Ransom Lancaster , Texas www.turningaround.org |
"Art Ransom" wrote in message news:st3md.90179$HA.22535@attbi_s01... Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good. In Houston, we have a very interesting shop called empire tools. They have a huge, enormous, gargantuan stock of import tools. I've bought many utility F clamps from them and I am very satisfied. This particular dealer is no fly-by-night junk dealer. They also carry most name brands in hand tools and they are the regional repair center for Dewalt tools. There is still no cheap import substitute for Bessey K-body clamps that I can find sigh. Bob |
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For all of those newbies in the UK, I recommed "The 99p Store" - they have sooo many good deals, like fibreglass handled rubber mallets, tennon saws & mirtre box sets etc... Some things aren't so good though... stay away from their "budget block plane" it's cr*p it just scratches the piece making a mess for the sander. Cheers, SB ----------- "Art Ransom" wrote in message news:st3md.90179$HA.22535@attbi_s01... Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good. I am getting ready to make a some walnut columns 12" by 96" and need a bunch of 6" bar clamps. Checked Ebay and there were several sellers of the clamps. I picked the guy in AK as I figured the freight would be less and bought 16 clamps. Price was about $40 including freight. Nice surprise when they came. Bar is chrome plated, over all finish good and they work as well as the $20 name brand clamps. Contacted the seller and I can get another 100 for $210 including freight. Also bought a 40 piece set of 1/2" carbide router bits as the set had some that I wanted but never needed enough to buy. I was hoping that they would last long enough for small special projects and then I would throw them away as they were cheaper to buy than have sharpened. The first one I used was a 1/2" straight bit to rough out a 390 lb finial of fresh cut oak. ( You can see it on my site.) Milled the 14.5" square by 38" piece into an octagon removing about 100 lbs. At the end the bit was still sharp! WWW.Homier.com has large deep throat bar clamp sets. 6 for $20! I bought 2 sets when their traveling sale was here. They have worked great except for one which I had to weld the head on. I was at Wal Mart and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. -- Art Ransom Lancaster , Texas www.turningaround.org |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:57:28 GMT, "Art Ransom"
wrote: I use a lot of harbor freight stuff, especially clamps.. Last sale, I bought a lot of 6" bar clamps for $2 each and 12" for $2.50.. They're better than the one's I bought on ebay, and seem as good as the old jorgies that I've been using.. and the HF ones even came with soft "non-marring" covers like the ones that I bought for the jorgies.. I'll even admit that I buy saw blades there... *blush* I bought five 10", 80 point carbide blades for $10 each, thinking that I'd use them until they needed sharpening and them just throw them in the recycle bin and throw a new one on, instead of having my better (but still not "good") get dulled by cutting mdf, etc... Damned if the first one that I put on the CMS over a month ago isn't still cutting splinter free and seems as sharp as new... I know that the blades are cheap and not "finish" quality, but they do what I need them to do in the CMS and I never seem to get good blades into the sharpening shop until the y REALLY need sharpening.. nice to have a disposable blade to change like razors... lol Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good. I am getting ready to make a some walnut columns 12" by 96" and need a bunch of 6" bar clamps. Checked Ebay and there were several sellers of the clamps. I picked the guy in AK as I figured the freight would be less and bought 16 clamps. Price was about $40 including freight. Nice surprise when they came. Bar is chrome plated, over all finish good and they work as well as the $20 name brand clamps. Contacted the seller and I can get another 100 for $210 including freight. Also bought a 40 piece set of 1/2" carbide router bits as the set had some that I wanted but never needed enough to buy. I was hoping that they would last long enough for small special projects and then I would throw them away as they were cheaper to buy than have sharpened. The first one I used was a 1/2" straight bit to rough out a 390 lb finial of fresh cut oak. ( You can see it on my site.) Milled the 14.5" square by 38" piece into an octagon removing about 100 lbs. At the end the bit was still sharp! WWW.Homier.com has large deep throat bar clamp sets. 6 for $20! I bought 2 sets when their traveling sale was here. They have worked great except for one which I had to weld the head on. I was at Wal Mart and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. |
"Art Ransom" wrote in message news:st3md.90179$HA.22535@attbi_s01...
Normally I buy quality tools but with some the cheap s*** is just as good. I am getting ready to make a some walnut columns 12" by 96" and need a bunch of 6" bar clamps. Checked Ebay and there were several sellers of the clamps. I picked the guy in AK as I figured the freight would be less and bought 16 clamps. Price was about $40 including freight. Nice surprise when they came. Bar is chrome plated, over all finish good and they work as well as the $20 name brand clamps. Contacted the seller and I can get another 100 for $210 including freight. Also bought a 40 piece set of 1/2" carbide router bits as the set had some that I wanted but never needed enough to buy. I was hoping that they would last long enough for small special projects and then I would throw them away as they were cheaper to buy than have sharpened. The first one I used was a 1/2" straight bit to rough out a 390 lb finial of fresh cut oak. ( You can see it on my site.) Milled the 14.5" square by 38" piece into an octagon removing about 100 lbs. At the end the bit was still sharp! WWW.Homier.com has large deep throat bar clamp sets. 6 for $20! I bought 2 sets when their traveling sale was here. They have worked great except for one which I had to weld the head on. I was at Wal Mart and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. Don't let Toller bother you. There are lots of times and lots of areas where cheap tools are called for. Foe example, those $5 sets of open end wrenches with the little metal clip around them. While these are not the tools that I would have in my garage tool chest (I don't do mechanical work for a living so I don't need Snap-On either), they are perfect for the truck toolbox that only comes out for the unexpected and usually small task. They are also what is in the toolbox that I keep in my jetski that I hope I never have to use. In other words, they are adequate for the task assigned. |
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Art wrote: I was at Wal Mart
and they had 25' tape measures for $2.28 each. Marked in inches and metric. Bought 10 and still have problems finding one in the shop. They work as well as the $20 Stanley. Have you checked them against each other for consistency in measurements? "Ya pay what ya get fur" Tom Work at your leisure! |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0000, "SB"
wrote: For all of those newbies in the UK, I recommed "The 99p Store" - You can never have too many clamps. Look out for the 2" and 3" clamps - a pair on a cardboard backing for about a quid. -- Smert' spamionam |
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First attempt to use a channel lock pliers resulted in it breaking
into more pieces than designed. It was THEN that I spotted the China logo on the side! I don't have time for cheap tools! On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:36:43 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , says... Don't let Toller bother you. There are lots of times and lots of areas where cheap tools are called for. Foe example, those $5 sets of open end wrenches with the little metal clip around them. They fit pretty good on a motorcycle too. And they may well be better quality than what came with the bike :-). |
Larry Blanchard wrote in message ...
In article , says... Don't let Toller bother you. There are lots of times and lots of areas where cheap tools are called for. Foe example, those $5 sets of open end wrenches with the little metal clip around them. They fit pretty good on a motorcycle too. And they may well be better quality than what came with the bike :-). They certainly beat the tin that came with the jetski ;) |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:46:52 -0500, "
wrote: First attempt to use a channel lock pliers resulted in it breaking into more pieces than designed. It was THEN that I spotted the China logo on the side! I don't have time for cheap tools! you have to watch what you buy and expect to get what you pay for.. on my 1st trip to HF, I got a "great" deal on a 3 piece set of "locking pliers".. the 1st time I used one, the threads pulled right out of the handle! I took them back and thought that I'd never buy from HF again.. funny how things change, though.. my shop is full of HF clamps, bench pegs, sanding belts & disks, even a belt/disk sander... I wouldn't buy pliers, wrenches, sockets, etc. from them, but on some things inexpensive is just as good as name brand.. BTW, have you seen any tools lately that aren't Chi-wan-ese?? My wife spent $160 last month for my biscuit jointer... it's a Craftsman, made by Dewalt, in China... go figure..lol On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:36:43 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , says... Don't let Toller bother you. There are lots of times and lots of areas where cheap tools are called for. Foe example, those $5 sets of open end wrenches with the little metal clip around them. They fit pretty good on a motorcycle too. And they may well be better quality than what came with the bike :-). |
"mac davis" wrote in message My wife spent $160 last month for my biscuit jointer... it's a Craftsman, made by Dewalt, in China... go figure..lol Not everything in China is cheaply made. They have come a long way and produce good quality when specified. As long as people keep buying cheap junk, they will make that also. |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:14 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: Not everything in China is cheaply made. My mail order bride sure wasn't cheap! Seriously, I have a $3000 bicycle with a frame that was made in China. There is a huge difference between this bike and a $40 made in China Wal-Mart bike. Barry |
"Ba r r y" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:14 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: Not everything in China is cheaply made. My mail order bride sure wasn't cheap! Seriously, I have a $3000 bicycle with a frame that was made in China. There is a huge difference between this bike and a $40 made in China Wal-Mart bike. Barry Guys, I'm getting that deja vu thing. These same discussions were held about Japan and Korea back in the '70s and 80s. People only laughed at Japan for a little while, China is going to make the rest of the world's economies look feeble within most of our lifetimes. IMHO anyway. -- Greg |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:08:33 +1100, "Greg Millen"
wrote: Guys, I'm getting that deja vu thing. These same discussions were held about Japan and Korea back in the '70s and 80s. People only laughed at Japan for a little while, China is going to make the rest of the world's economies look feeble within most of our lifetimes. I'm with you on that! Once upon a time Toyota, Honda, Subaru, and Datsun were "off" brands. G Now Subaru's building Saabs, Toyota and Nissan have serious big trucks, and Honda leads the world in quality and forward thinking technology. Barry |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:28:22 GMT, Ba r r y
wrote: Now Subaru's building Saabs, No, they're building crappy GM cars with Saab badges on them. Even Saab haven't built a Saab in years. My Saab-nut friend over the road is driving a 900 Turbo these days that's even older (20 years?) than my Volvo. This is in preference to his more recent Saabs, because "the 900 was the last Real One". In comparison to Japan, there's a big difference with Korea. Japan got the quality of their manufacturing industry right, Korea failed to. Would _you_ want to drive a Daewoo ? They looked shiny at first, all the extra gadgets and features, and plenty of people thought they'd be another low-end Datsun. The reality turned out to be reliability that's more like a Lada. |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:08:33 +1100, "Greg Millen"
wrote: "Ba r r y" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:14 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: Not everything in China is cheaply made. My mail order bride sure wasn't cheap! Seriously, I have a $3000 bicycle with a frame that was made in China. There is a huge difference between this bike and a $40 made in China Wal-Mart bike. Barry Guys, I'm getting that deja vu thing. These same discussions were held about Japan and Korea back in the '70s and 80s. People only laughed at Japan for a little while, China is going to make the rest of the world's economies look feeble within most of our lifetimes. IMHO anyway. exactly.. I remember back in the 70's, when I was looking for a car, my brother recommended the Toyota Supra... Being raised by parents that survived the depression, I "knew" that the Japanese made cheap **** from our old tin cans... No Way would I look at a japanese car.. My brother knew that I'd been riding motorcycles for years, and asked my how many bike's I'd owned... about 12 He asked how many were Japanese... all of 'em.. hmm...... test drove the Supra and bought it... drove it like I stole it for 7 or 8 years before I gave it to one of the kids, who put another 150,000 miles on it... Now I have a Dodge (owned by the Germans) Ram that was assembled in Mexico... go figure.. lol |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:41 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote: In comparison to Japan, there's a big difference with Korea. Japan got the quality of their manufacturing industry right, Korea failed to. Would _you_ want to drive a Daewoo ? Only over a Yugo! G Barry |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:41 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:28:22 GMT, Ba r r y wrote: Now Subaru's building Saabs, No, they're building crappy GM cars with Saab badges on them. Even Saab haven't built a Saab in years. The Saab 9-2 is a Subaru WRX with a nicer interior. The Saabaru! Barry |
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:59:18 GMT, Ba r r y
calmly ranted: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:41 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote: In comparison to Japan, there's a big difference with Korea. Japan got the quality of their manufacturing industry right, Korea failed to. Would _you_ want to drive a Daewoo ? Only over a Yugo! G It doesn't have nearly enough power, traction, or ground clearance. ---------------------------------------------------------------- * OPERA: A Latin word * Wondrous Website Design * meaning * Save your Heirloom Photos * "death by music" * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
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