Al Reid spouts:

I think you just made a STUPID statement !

So, the opinions of the military personnel, who are there as a result of
GWB's decision making, who are actively engaged in the
mission, who take their orders from the administration, and who do not want
to take orders from Kerry makes no sense at all?

First, you don't know that they don't want to take orders from Kerry.
Preferring Bush is an entirely different thing. Second, it doesn't make a rat's
ass's bit of difference who they WANT to take orders from. They WILL take
orders from the Commander In Chief, no matter who he is, or they'll end up in
the stockade/brig (unless they've got the same kind of influential papa GWB
had).

Charlie Self
"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not
hereditary." Thomas Paine

James Kirby states:

I don't support him, never have, and never will. I don't personally think
the
man could find his way out of a closed phone booth.
OK? Got it?

I have to disagree. I don''t think he could find his way out of an open phone
booth without his puppetmaster Cheney.

Charlie Self
"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not
hereditary." Thomas Paine

Howard responds:

How would you CCW with an Uzi, by the way? Wear a Duster or something?
I imagine it would print pretty much through any piece of clothing.

If you can conceal it, and it's legal for you to own it, and you have
a CHL, you can carry it concealed.

If you are old enough to remember when "squeaky" tried to kill the
pres, you might remember that there were suddenly Uzis *everywhere*.
Those SS types didn't have any trouble concealing them.


Not many in belt or shoulder holsters, though, and I'd bet they did have some
trouble figuring out how to conceal them. IIRC, most were in attache cases and
similar carriers.

Charlie Self
"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not
hereditary." Thomas Paine

both of my children are of the "fairer' sex, and by age nine both were
proficient with .22 cal, at 21 and 25 they both hobby shoot to this day. one of
the prerequisites for shooting is practice and discipline along with a desire
to work at it, much the same as woodworking. somehow liberals seem to think
that criminals, who are criminals because of a lack of discipline or work ethic
can magically make a firearm a useful tool of choice but the average person
cannot. i used to be an armorer for SIG and an instructor also but pursued
other options in midlife. the handle indicates one of the things i collect and
while some may be appalled by the fact that an average citizen owns a pair of
browning M2's this is precisely what the founding fathers had in mind for their
citizenry, besides there are few things more entertaining than hunting
groundhogs at 500 yds with a 50. glad to hear from you howard, and actually
enjoy the thread from both sides, for the record i'm a libertarian, but will be
voting republican primarily because they haven't sued to keep my candidate off
of 38 states ballots, even though it would benefit them, seems the dems only
care about disenfranchised democratic votes, what a load of ****

madeuce states:

somehow liberals seem to think
that criminals, who are criminals because of a lack of discipline or work
ethic
can magically make a firearm a useful tool of choice but the average person
cannot

Now, I was right with you until you popped thjis piece of political horse****
in. As a liberal and former Marine, I am not unusual, so your generality is
worthwhile only in your own mind and in the minds of those who are in lockstep
with you.

Charlie Self
"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not
hereditary." Thomas Paine

sorry charlie but i really do enjoy your posts, and am sorry that i generalized
all liberals together, but i am quite sincere about the democrat party, i've
been registered as a democrat since 1972 and vote that way quite often on local
elections, but i'm a southern indiana democrat which would make me a republican
in new york or california from a philosophical point of view, the ideals of the
libertarian party are closer to my own on a national basis but i don't think
they've managed to find a viable candidate yet. i don't care what consenting
adults do among themselves but don't think they need a marriage license to do
it, if you want to smoke pot i don't care but you don't need to be driving or
shooting or woodworking while doing it or any other consciousness "expanding"
chemical. i am vehemently opposed to the killing of the most helpless of all
creatures, i.e. abortion, and i don't give a **** what your religion,
ethnicity, or race are if you share my values. i just detest what the
democratic party has become and gun control (and people control) are
centerpieces of the national agenda, not necessarily all liberals, so i
apologize again for the inference. but if the dems are for taking the guns out
of the criminls hands why haven't they ever attempted to take the car keys out
of ted kennedy's pocket.

tony

btw i am not a vet and would like to thank the vets of all political ilk for
their sacrifice to their country, including charlie

madeuce responds:

am sorry that i generalized
all liberals together, but i am quite sincere about the democrat party, i've
been registered as a democrat since 1972 and vote that way quite often on
local
elections, but i'm a southern indiana democrat which would make me a
republican
in new york or california from a philosophical point of view,

Might be. I'm registered as an independent and tend to vote the person. Both
party platforms contain a fair amount of nonsense, so voting the party line is
not attractive. In fact, I believe that following ANY party line totally is
reprehensible.

but if the dems are for taking the guns out
of the criminls hands why haven't they ever attempted to take the car keys
out
of ted kennedy's pocket.

Irrelevant and you know it.

Charlie Self
"When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not
hereditary." Thomas Paine

On 28 Oct 2004 00:33:09 GMT, (Madeuce50bmg)
wrote:

but if the dems are for taking the guns out
of the criminls hands why haven't they ever attempted to take the car keys out
of ted kennedy's pocket. ...

... and the presidency out of Bush's