Blooming
 

Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

PS I've placed this on here because of the subject - Woodworking and just
thought someone could give me a lead.

Thanks

Bill did say:

Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

You may find some of these folks have expertise in this area... What do
these marks look like?

In article , bill6dod6
@btinternet.com says...
Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

PS I've placed this on here because of the subject - Woodworking and just
thought someone could give me a lead.

Thanks






It's quite possible what you are experiencing is blush not blooming. A
term I've never heard used to describe a problem with a finish.

Blush is a whites haze in the finish. It is usually indicative of a
lacquer finish that has had a hot coffee cup left on it or a wet glass,
that sort of thing.

It is caused by moisture infiltrating the finish.

If, in fact, that is the problem what you have to do is displace the
moisture. There are several painless options open to you.

Formsbey has a commercial blush remover that can usually be found at
Lowe's, Home Depot, good hardware store. Apply as directed.

An oily substance left over the blush for some period of time will do
the job. Petroleum jelly, peanut butter. Yes, really, peanut butter.
Look up why it sticks to the roof of the mouth.

A wipe of two with an alcohol dampened rag should do the trick also. Not
knowing what the finish actually is I'd use that carefully. Chances are
very slim it is a shellac finish but if were the alcohol could dim it.

If we are not talking blush a better description of the rather vague
"marks" would certainly be in order I've wasted a lot of time.


--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:46:30 +0000, Bill wrote:

Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more. Any
ideas on how to clear it?

Bill, we have a sister group at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking. You may
get more help if you post a couple of pix there.

--
Joe Wells

After polishing it looks "cloudy - Hazy" and the more I rub the worse it
gets!




"WoodMangler" wrote in message
. ..
Bill did say:

Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

You may find some of these folks have expertise in this area... What do
these marks look like?

That'd be fisheye, I presume. Soap is slick, lacquer won't stick.

Blush is normally trapped subsurface moisture, which, I suppose, heat
produced by friction - "rubbing"- might exacerbate.

"Minorite" wrote in message
...
iirc, blooming is caused by excessive stearates in lacquer. it looks
like
blush tho.
bob

Lacquer doesn't contain sterates, Sanding sealer does, lacquer over
sanding sealer doesn't discolor and if it did it certainly doesn't just
magically appear somewhere down the road.

--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net


In article ,
hing says...
iirc, blooming is caused by excessive stearates in lacquer. it looks like
blush tho.
bob

MikeG said:

It's quite possible what you are experiencing is blush not blooming. A
term I've never heard used to describe a problem with a finish.

to which i replied:

iirc, blooming is caused by excessive stearates in lacquer. it looks like
blush tho.

"George" added:

That'd be fisheye, I presume. Soap is slick, lacquer won't stick.

and MikeG appended:

Lacquer doesn't contain sterates, Sanding sealer does, lacquer over
sanding sealer doesn't discolor and if it did it certainly doesn't just
magically appear somewhere down the road.

and i reply:

i've not heard of fisheye being caused by stearates, but i'm not a lacquer
expert. it seems to me if this were a problem, the stearates in lacquer sealer
would be of concern tho....
and i do know there are 1 or 2 lacquers out there that contain stearates, tho
most vinyl and pre-cat lacquers do not. as it was explained to me, bloom will
occur shortly after lacquer application if the lacquer was manufactured
excessive stearates. it looks like blush, but moisture is not the cause. my
post wasn't to dispute his problem, which is probably blush, but to define
bloom. perhaps my memory is incorrect tho.
bob

A little more info on "Blooming Effect" was gained yesterday my a work
colleague, and
he says it caused my "silicone" in the polish!

Over the last couple of years my wife has in fact used "Pledge" and the like
to polish and this does contain Silicone, so I may well be getting closer to
an answer.



"Bill" wrote in message
...
Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

PS I've placed this on here because of the subject - Woodworking and just
thought someone could give me a lead.

Thanks

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:17:38 -0400, MikeG
wrote:

In article , bill6dod6
says...
Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

PS I've placed this on here because of the subject - Woodworking and just
thought someone could give me a lead.

Thanks







Blush is a whites haze in the finish. It is usually indicative of a
lacquer finish that has had a hot coffee cup left on it or a wet glass,
that sort of thing.

It is caused by moisture infiltrating the finish.


I believe that blush is something that occurs when finish is applied.
When solvent evaporates from the wet film finish, it lowers the
temperature at the surface of the wet film. If the surface
temperature falls below the dew point, moisture condenses on the film
and is adsorbed. The incompatible moisture is seen as blush.

For obvious reasons, blush is more apt to occur when there is high
humidity.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wgoffe...oodworking.htm

In article ,
says...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:17:38 -0400, MikeG
wrote:

In article , bill6dod6
says...
Please forgive me if I'm on the wrong Newsgroup with this question.

After polishing my oak dining room table it still leaves marks, a friend
tells me it could be the "Blooming" effect but knows nothing more.
Any ideas on how to clear it?

PS I've placed this on here because of the subject - Woodworking and just
thought someone could give me a lead.

Thanks







Blush is a whites haze in the finish. It is usually indicative of a
lacquer finish that has had a hot coffee cup left on it or a wet glass,
that sort of thing.

It is caused by moisture infiltrating the finish.


I believe that blush is something that occurs when finish is applied.
When solvent evaporates from the wet film finish, it lowers the
temperature at the surface of the wet film. If the surface
temperature falls below the dew point, moisture condenses on the film
and is adsorbed. The incompatible moisture is seen as blush.

For obvious reasons, blush is more apt to occur when there is high
humidity.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wgoffe...oodworking.htm


Hi Wally

Blush is the whitish haze that appears in a finish. Either during
application, for the reasons you state, or, in the case of the OP, when
moisture infiltrates and existing finish. Regardless of how when it
appears blush is blush.

--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net