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The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false
drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? |
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On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? I was thinking the same thing. They make microwaves specifically to put into islands. Instead of a door, it has a drawer and loads from the top. I'm sure they're not cheap. |
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On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 11:31:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? I was thinking the same thing. They make microwaves specifically to put into islands. Instead of a door, it has a drawer and loads from the top. I'm sure they're not cheap. I think Festool makes them. You know what they say about color schemes. "If you can't match, contrast." |
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On 3/26/2021 8:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? The microwave cubby has an unfinished appearance. I'm only making the spot 1" narrower and 1" shorter than the actual FF opening. Now it looks like a cabinet with no doors. I'll also be adding a frame around the opening. |
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'On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 11:31:17 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? I was thinking the same thing. They make microwaves specifically to put into islands. Instead of a door, it has a drawer and loads from the top. I'm sure they're not cheap. I think Festool makes them. You know what they say about color schemes. "If you can't match, contrast." If it's ugly, hide it. |
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On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 11:41:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/26/2021 8:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: The kitchen job is almost complete. Yesterday I installed the 16 false drawer fronts and today I am gluing up 1/2" plywood, "edge to edge". Whaaaat? Some have expressed doubt about how accurately you can edge glue stock using the Domino for alignment. "10,000 plus mortises" with my Domino produced these results when I needed for some expensive 1/2" white oak veneer plywood to be ...... wider. Here is the joint after a very slight amount of surface sanding. As we all know, the outer veneer on cabinet quality plywood these days is extremely thin. That is 1/2" material, I'm guesstimating that the veneer is not over 1/64" thick. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And then the money side of the joint. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I'm still very impressed with the Domino. Anyway, moving on, The kitchen job is complete except for the microwave cuby. I am building a slide in unit to close in and hide the interior of the cabinet that the microwave sets in. The interior of this cabinet will have a more finished look and a frame around the perimeter. I used 3 sheets of 1/2" white oak plywood for the center panels in the 29 door panels. That was way too much but I wanted to book match the paired doors, so there was considerable waste. BUT about half of that waste is what I am gluing up for the microwave cuby. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ There are also 6 drawer fronts and 6 doors on the island but too difficult to photograph. Tight squeeze. And before the new false drawer fronts, doors, and under counter drawers went in, I installed 5 multi drawer units behind the doors of the lower cabinets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ The customer is pleased! Always a good thing. Thoughts or questions? Everything looks great. Nice panel glue-ups. Not quite sure I understand the microwave cubby build. Will there be enough ventilation for heat and moisture? You're not boxing the entire MW in are you? The microwave cubby has an unfinished appearance. I'm only making the spot 1" narrower and 1" shorter than the actual FF opening. Now it looks like a cabinet with no doors. I'll also be adding a frame around the opening. Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? |
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Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? |
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On 3/28/2021 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? The microwave is about 1/3 the volume of the cuby. The cuby is huge compared to the size of the microwave. With that aside. A built in oven has less air gap and those run for longer periods of time. Heat has never been an issue for this customer nor our older home that had the same set up for the microwave. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/28/2021 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? The microwave is about 1/3 the volume of the cuby. The cuby is huge compared to the size of the microwave. With that aside. A built in oven has less air gap and those run for longer periods of time. They have a lot more insulation in them and the electronics are designed to be constrained. Microwaves are designed for their particular use. Built-ins are not the same as counter models. Heat has never been an issue for this customer nor our older home that had the same set up for the microwave. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:23:03 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: writes: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. I dunno - my first Sharp Carousel II lasted 35 years in daily use. Since, they've had a lot of experience "value engineering" them. The Chinese are good at that. You get what you pay for. Even from the Chinese. That same microwave I bought in 1984 for USD$320.00 would cost USD$825.95 today. My current built-in Kitchenaid is very well engineered. But didn't cost $100 like the throwaways you'll find a wally world. |
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On 3/29/2021 2:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? The microwave is about 1/3 the volume of the cuby. The cuby is huge compared to the size of the microwave. With that aside. A built in oven has less air gap and those run for longer periods of time. They have a lot more insulation in them and the electronics are designed to be constrained. Microwaves are designed for their particular use. Built-ins are not the same as counter models. Regardless, there is more heat cast off from an oven than a stand alone microwave. Manufacturers sell adapter kits to completely enclose stand alone units. 20 + years with our old one and there was no issue of heat. The microwave does not get hot like an oven, only the food gets hot and then the food has a big air gap between it and the inside of the microwave. Our counter top microwave never got hot on the outside. There was only moderately warm air being exhausted from the unit. |
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:48:23 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/29/2021 2:35 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? The microwave is about 1/3 the volume of the cuby. The cuby is huge compared to the size of the microwave. With that aside. A built in oven has less air gap and those run for longer periods of time. They have a lot more insulation in them and the electronics are designed to be constrained. Microwaves are designed for their particular use. Built-ins are not the same as counter models. Regardless, there is more heat cast off from an oven than a stand alone microwave. Manufacturers sell adapter kits to completely enclose stand alone units. 20 + years with our old one and there was no issue of heat. The microwave does not get hot like an oven, only the food gets hot and then the food has a big air gap between it and the inside of the microwave. Our counter top microwave never got hot on the outside. There was only moderately warm air being exhausted from the unit. Uh...yeah...I'm pretty sure that most of know how a microwave works by now. ;-) We were indeed talking about that "moderately warm air" that you speak of. I do believe that our point was that capturing even that "moderately warm air", which I'm used to venting to an open room, would subject the device to higher temperatures than it was designed for. If you're happy, we're happy. Really. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:37:23 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: writes: On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:23:03 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: writes: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. I dunno - my first Sharp Carousel II lasted 35 years in daily use. Since, they've had a lot of experience "value engineering" them. The Chinese are good at that. You get what you pay for. Even from the Chinese. No, you never get more than you pay for. That same microwave I bought in 1984 for USD$320.00 would cost USD$825.95 today. I bought one in '78 (when the brat was born) for something like $500. I could buy one today for under $100. My current built-in Kitchenaid is very well engineered. But didn't cost $100 like the throwaways you'll find a wally world. Same here. Your point is? |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:37:23 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: That same microwave I bought in 1984 for USD$320.00 would cost USD$825.95 today. I bought one in '78 (when the brat was born) for something like $500. I could buy one today for under $100. My current built-in Kitchenaid is very well engineered. But didn't cost $100 like the throwaways you'll find a wally world. Same here. Your point is? That you get what you pay for. You want a microwave to last, you're likely not going to pay $100 for it. |
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On 3/29/2021 6:54 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:48:23 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 3/29/2021 2:35 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 8:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? The microwave is about 1/3 the volume of the cuby. The cuby is huge compared to the size of the microwave. With that aside. A built in oven has less air gap and those run for longer periods of time. They have a lot more insulation in them and the electronics are designed to be constrained. Microwaves are designed for their particular use. Built-ins are not the same as counter models. Regardless, there is more heat cast off from an oven than a stand alone microwave. Manufacturers sell adapter kits to completely enclose stand alone units. 20 + years with our old one and there was no issue of heat. The microwave does not get hot like an oven, only the food gets hot and then the food has a big air gap between it and the inside of the microwave. Our counter top microwave never got hot on the outside. There was only moderately warm air being exhausted from the unit. Uh...yeah...I'm pretty sure that most of know how a microwave works by now. ;-) We were indeed talking about that "moderately warm air" that you speak of. I do believe that our point was that capturing even that "moderately warm air", which I'm used to venting to an open room, would subject the device to higher temperatures than it was designed for. The vented heat is less than 100 degrees. It will not get any hotter than what is being exhausted. Again, it is not an issue. And even at that is is for a very shore period of time compared to what an oven belches out. If you're happy, we're happy. Really. Nothing to be happy about. It was never a concern. |
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On 3/28/2021 9:28 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. -- Jack If Stupid Could Fly You'd Be A Jet |
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On 3/30/2021 11:05 AM, Jack wrote:
On 3/28/2021 9:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed.Â* Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No.Â* And there is no movement.Â* The microwave opening is already there. Â*Â* I am only dressingÂ* up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size?Â* Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat.Â* How are you cooling the microwave? If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. That is pretty much it in a nut shell. |
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On 3/29/2021 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:37:23 GMT, wrote: You get what you pay for. Even from the Chinese. No, you never get more than you pay for. I did. I bought an iSpring 6 stage water filter in April 2012. It had a one year warranty. Last year it developed a leak in one of the filter caps (seven years after the warranty expired). I contacted iSpring to buy a replacement part, and without being asked they sent me a complete main filter unit (three filter cases with the cap they screw into) completely free of charge. That was definitely more than I paid for. |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:05:10 -0400, Jack wrote:
On 3/28/2021 9:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:28:14 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: writes: On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:37:23 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: That same microwave I bought in 1984 for USD$320.00 would cost USD$825.95 today. I bought one in '78 (when the brat was born) for something like $500. I could buy one today for under $100. My current built-in Kitchenaid is very well engineered. But didn't cost $100 like the throwaways you'll find a wally world. Same here. Your point is? That you get what you pay for. You want a microwave to last, you're likely not going to pay $100 for it. Oh, good grief! No sense in talking to you. |
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On 3/30/2021 7:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:05:10 -0400, Jack wrote: On 3/28/2021 9:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. |
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On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 10:39:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/30/2021 7:41 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:05:10 -0400, Jack wrote: On 3/28/2021 9:28 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Imagine that my MV sits on the counter, about where the leather bag is in this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ I have never had an issue with a microwave walking or sliding from where it was placed. Nor has the customer had a complaint of their microwave moving in the 25 years that they have lived in this house. I have a short piece 2 x 4 between the back of the MV and the backsplash to keep the MV near the front of the counter. Without it, the MV slides backwards with use and ends up too deep to be convenient. That extra 3 1/2" forward makes a big difference. Will backward movement be an issue with the cubby you built? No. And there is no movement. The microwave opening is already there. I am only dressing up up the cabinet opening so that it does not look like a cabinet missing it's doors. Can the microwaves easily replaced with a different size? Microwaves aren't exactly the most reliable appliances and come in all sorts of non-standard sizes. Absolutely, I am only making the opening 1.25" narrower and shorter. The opening is 24.5" x 18". With opening smaller than the front (if I understand you), I'd worry about heat. How are you cooling the microwave? If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ....and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O |
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On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ |
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On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ Looks great. Everything does. I'm sure the client is very happy. What are you going to do with all your spare time? :-) |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ That's not anything like what I was visualizing. And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ "Nevermind" -Emily Litella |
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On 3/31/2021 6:17 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:30:18 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ Looks great. Everything does. I'm sure the client is very happy. What are you going to do with all your spare time? :-) Thank you! Remember Nailshooter? He and his significant other want me to build a hutch. Then my wife wants a Murphy bed for one of our guest bed rooms and then redo our kitchen to be like the Kitchen I just finished. |
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On 3/31/2021 7:08 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ That's not anything like what I was visualizing. LOL I thought the better angle picture would help out. And the final piece to the puzzle installed. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ "Nevermind" -Emily Litella SNL? |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:53:55 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/31/2021 7:08 PM, wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:30:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/31/2021 2:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Snip If your microwave gets hot on the outside, you've set your food on fire. As always, you're wrong. Microwaves have to vent. If they aren't allowed to, they _will_ overheat. Its no different than any other electronics. If they're not used in the environment they've designed for, they won't last long. That is correct, microwaves do need to vent. But as long as air can move away/out of a "partially" closed in area the venting is not restricted and not an issue. ...and that is all that any of us meant from the very first time the question was raised. Sure took a long time to get here. :-O OK, ;~) I suppose this picture may shed some more light on the subject. LOL This is the microwave cubby and the insert that I will be placing in side that reduce the over all width by 1", 1/2" on each side and over all height by 1", 1/2" on top and bottom. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ That's not anything like what I was visualizing. LOL I thought the better angle picture would help out. And the final piece to the puzzle installed. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ Nice! But it's not all white. Every kitchen is gloss white today, isn't it? And this will slide in place to frame out the opening and give a more finished look to the opening. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ "Nevermind" -Emily Litella SNL? What else? |
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