On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.

How about PT? You can often water out of that stuff with just your
hands.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:31:09 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.
How about PT? You can often water out of that stuff with just your
hands.

I hate the wet mush that PT leaves on saw blades. Never mind the splashing when
you hit it with a hammer.

Hey...wait! That's the answer!

The OP (pf) should advertise "free deck dismantling ". Find someone who wants
his beat up deck removed. Take it apart, take what he needs to build his [not so
much "shed" as "add-on extension" or "lean to" ] and leave the rest neatly stacked
at the deck-owner's curb.

Free "less than premium" lumber.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:31:09 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.
How about PT? You can often water out of that stuff with just your
hands.

I hate the wet mush that PT leaves on saw blades. Never mind the splashing when
you hit it with a hammer.

Hey...wait! That's the answer!

The OP (pf) should advertise "free deck dismantling ". Find someone who wants
his beat up deck removed. Take it apart, take what he needs to build his [not so
much "shed" as "add-on extension" or "lean to" ] and leave the rest neatly stacked
at the deck-owner's curb.

Free "less than premium" lumber.

He can have my decking. I'm replacing it with Trex soon (have it in
my garage).

"leave the rest neatly stacked at the deck-owner's curb"

As long as you mean the "deck-owner" is pyotr. I'm giving him the
whole thing. Same deal as the RAS "safety kit" for my crapsman saw.
If you want the kit (still in its box), ya gotta take the saw too.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

The new bale was dry - wrapped in typar and it was straight when I got
it home and used it. The open bale had been open for a few months or
so and had been rained on and sun baked - I try not to buy wood that
is not kiln dried

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:31:09 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between
it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon
as you cut the straps.


I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been
used for the rockers of a rocking chair.


And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale.
More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.
How about PT? You can often water out of that stuff with just your
hands.

I hate the wet mush that PT leaves on saw blades. Never mind the splashing when
you hit it with a hammer.

Hey...wait! That's the answer!
hin a couple days.
A number of years back on the May 24 weekend I was up at the church
camp putting in and re-building the docks. When I started cutting the
new lumber there was a plume of water, more than sawdust from the saw.
I'm SURE that would have turned into pretzels if it hadn't been nailed
and screwed to the dock

The OP (pf) should advertise "free deck dismantling ". Find someone who wants
his beat up deck removed. Take it apart, take what he needs to build his [not so
much "shed" as "add-on extension" or "lean to" ] and leave the rest neatly stacked
at the deck-owner's curb.

Free "less than premium" lumber.

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 12:25:31 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.
The new bale was dry - wrapped in typar and it was straight when I got
it home and used it. The open bale had been open for a few months or
so and had been rained on and sun baked - I try not to buy wood that
is not kiln dried

I once heard a rumor that some places actually *water* their bales to
keep the outside boards from drying out. That way they don't "spring"
(shape pun intended) to life when unbaled.

Nothing I ever bothered to verify, but I wouldn't be surprised.

DerbyDad03 on Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:

One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted
them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid
them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few
smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the
cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my
basement?

I recall ripping a 2x4 with a circular saw. As I completed the
cut I looked back and lo, two parts have bowed outwards leaving a one
inch or more gap at the middle, while the ends were touching. I used
those boards for a bench, made it "springy".
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