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Transparent Wood
On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? |
Transparent Wood
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. |
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Transparent Wood
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 15:52:33 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Is that anything like transparent aluminum? Is opaque wood anything like opaque aluminum. ;-) |
Transparent Wood
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:52:38 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 "Many different types of wood, from balsa to oak, can be made transparent..." Does transparent balsa look any different than transparent oak? "...and it doesn't matter if it is cut along the grain or against it." If we can't see the grain, then we better make sure our combination blades are sharp. |
Transparent Wood
DerbyDad03 writes:
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 15:52:33 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Is that anything like transparent aluminum? Is opaque wood anything like opaque aluminum. ;-) In case it was missed, the reference to "transparent aluminum" is from Star Trek IV. |
Transparent Wood
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:16:44 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 15:52:33 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Is that anything like transparent aluminum? Is opaque wood anything like opaque aluminum. ;-) In case it was missed, the reference to "transparent aluminum" is from Star Trek IV. In case it was missed, "transparent aluminum" (ALON) is a real thing. Here's something from the past and the present... https://youtu.be/DduO1fNzV4w |
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On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Do you really think an * is going to help? H202 and B*mb in the same post. Nah...they'll never even notice. ;-) |
Transparent Wood
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 17:16:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Do you really think an * is going to help? H202 and B*mb in the same post. Nah...they'll never even notice. ;-) I use H2O2 for mouthwash too. ;-) |
Transparent Wood
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 9:49:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 17:16:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Do you really think an * is going to help? H202 and B*mb in the same post. Nah...they'll never even notice. ;-) I use H2O2 for mouthwash too. ;-) That is the bomb! |
Transparent Wood
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On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Rocket fuel. Propellant-grade hydrogen peroxide is available to qualified buyers. In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves[*]. [*] DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME |
Transparent Wood
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 18:53:05 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 9:49:28 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 17:16:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Do you really think an * is going to help? H202 and B*mb in the same post. Nah...they'll never even notice. ;-) I use H2O2 for mouthwash too. ;-) That is the bomb! It's the bomb! |
Transparent Wood
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Rocket fuel. Propellant-grade hydrogen peroxide is available to qualified buyers. In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves[*]. [*] DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME I've always loved that warning... "Do not do/try this at home." OK, I'll do at somebody else's house. I'll do it in my office. (When they let me back in.) I'll do it at church. I'll do it in the diner on Main St. Hey, I'm just following the rules. ;-) |
Transparent Wood
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:42:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: writes: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Rocket fuel. Propellant-grade hydrogen peroxide is available to qualified buyers. In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves[*]. [*] DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME I've always loved that warning... "Do not do/try this at home." OK, I'll do at somebody else's house. I'll do it in my office. (When they let me back in.) I'll do it at church. I'll do it in the diner on Main St. AND I WOULD EAT THEM IN A BOAT. AND I WOULD EAT THEM WITH A GOAT... AND I WILL EAT THEM, IN THE RAIN. AND IN THE DARK. AND ON A TRAIN. AND IN A CAR. AND IN A TREE. THEY ARE SO GOOD, SO GOOD, YOU SEE! SO I WILL EAT THEM IN A BOX. AND I WILL EAT THEM WITH A FOX. AND I WILL EAT THEM IN A HOUSE. AND I WILL EAT THEM WITH A MOUSE. AND I WILL EAT THEM HERE AND THERE. SAY! I WILL EAT THEM ANYWHERE! Hey, I'm just following the rules. ;-) I DO SO LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM! THANK YOU! THANK YOU, SAM I AM. |
Transparent Wood
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-8, Leon wrote:
On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 It could potentially replace plastic?? It IS plastic, just as Formica (phenolic polymer impregnated paper) is plastic. The transparency is useful, but depends on the matching of index of refraction of cellulose and epoxy. Mainly, it will be useful because it is fibrous (and tough) instead of shatter-prone. The utility of wood, is that it is lightweight and inexpensive in thick sections, so makes good structures. The beauty of wood comes from the grain and color, both of which are lacking in the transparent state. |
Transparent Wood
On 2/10/2021 8:16 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Rocket fuel. Propellant-grade hydrogen peroxide is available to qualified buyers. In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves[*]. [*] DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME You can buy 12% H2O2 on Amazon. $15/pint or $33/gallon. |
Transparent Wood
On 2/9/2021 2:02 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. And of course the question every one is waiting for... Can the transparent wood be stained to look like wood? In all seriousness I think is pretty cool. |
Transparent Wood
On 2/10/2021 10:42 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: writes: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:02:26 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. What concentration of H2O2? It's pretty hard to get more than a 3% solution. B*mb stuff, ya know. Rocket fuel. Propellant-grade hydrogen peroxide is available to qualified buyers. In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves[*]. [*] DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME I've always loved that warning... "Do not do/try this at home." OK, I'll do at somebody else's house. I'll do it in my office. (When they let me back in.) I'll do it at church. I'll do it in the diner on Main St. Hey, I'm just following the rules. ;-) You left out "Hold my Beer!" |
Transparent Wood
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:57:08 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 2/9/2021 2:02 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. And of course the question every one is waiting for... Can the transparent wood be stained to look like wood? Not sure but I'm sure you can paint red like cherry. In all seriousness I think is pretty cool. Cool but I'd like more details. |
Transparent Wood
On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:10:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:57:08 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/9/2021 2:02 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. And of course the question every one is waiting for... Can the transparent wood be stained to look like wood? Not sure but I'm sure you can paint red like cherry. In all seriousness I think is pretty cool. Cool but I'd like more details. Like "Will it scale?" I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high rise. |
Transparent Wood
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:10:06 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:57:08 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/9/2021 2:02 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. And of course the question every one is waiting for... Can the transparent wood be stained to look like wood? Not sure but I'm sure you can paint red like cherry. In all seriousness I think is pretty cool. Cool but I'd like more details. Like "Will it scale?" I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high rise. You could layer it, like transparent plywood. -- G Ross |
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On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:37:27 AM UTC-5, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:10:06 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:57:08 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/9/2021 2:02 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 2/9/2021 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scie...lass-1.5902739 Wow!!! that is really cool! Here is to hoping it becomes available at an affordable price. It could potentially replace plastic?? Sounds like you can make it yourself. H2O2 + marine epoxy + vacuum bag. And of course the question every one is waiting for... Can the transparent wood be stained to look like wood? Not sure but I'm sure you can paint red like cherry. In all seriousness I think is pretty cool. Cool but I'd like more details. Like "Will it scale?" I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high rise. You could layer it, like transparent plywood. The layers of plywood are glued together, alternating the grain direction. Can you glue up layers of transparent wood and maintain the transparency? Can you determine the grain direction once its gone transparent? (Im sure it could be tracked during manufacturing, but can it be seen by the naked eye?) Those are the the types of details that would be good to have. |
Transparent Wood
DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:37:27 AM UTC-5, G Ross wrote: Like "Will it scale?"=20 =20 I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high r= ise.=20 =20 You could layer it, like transparent plywood.=20 =20 The layers of plywood are glued together, alternating the grain direction. Can you glue up layers of transparent wood and maintain the=20 transparency? Did you read how transparent wood is created? Glue is a major component. |
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On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:47:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:37:27 AM UTC-5, G Ross wrote: Like "Will it scale?"=20 =20 I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high r= ise.=20 =20 You could layer it, like transparent plywood.=20 =20 The layers of plywood are glued together, alternating the grain direction. Can you glue up layers of transparent wood and maintain the=20 transparency? Did you read how transparent wood is created? Glue is a major component. What was actually written was this: "...they infused the wood with a tough transparent epoxy". Infusing wood with epoxy to fill the pores is very different than using epoxy (or any other glue) to bond the resulting surfaces together. Standard practice for bonding 2 smooth surfaces with epoxy is to scuff up the surface to give it some bite. Probably not a good idea when trying to keep something transparent. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it's a detail that would be good to know. Just because glue was used (infused) to create the product doesn't mean it'll work for bonding it while maintaining the transparency. |
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DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:47:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:37:27 AM UTC-5, G Ross wrote: Like "Will it scale?"=20 =20 I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high r= ise.=20 =20 You could layer it, like transparent plywood.=20 =20 The layers of plywood are glued together, alternating the grain direction. Can you glue up layers of transparent wood and maintain the=20 transparency? Did you read how transparent wood is created? Glue is a major component. What was actually written was this: "...they infused the wood with a tough transparent epoxy". Infusing wood with epoxy to fill the pores is very different than using epoxy (or any other glue) to bond the resulting surfaces together. Standard practice for bonding 2 smooth surfaces with epoxy is to scuff up the surface to give it some bite. Probably not a good idea when trying to keep something transparent. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it's a detail that would be good to know. Just because glue was used (infused) to create the product doesn't mean it'll work for bonding it while maintaining the transparency. Or you could just infuse the epoxy into a stack of bleached wood which laminates it as it's being infused under pressure. |
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On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:57:10 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:47:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 4:37:27 AM UTC-5, G Ross wrote: Like "Will it scale?"=20 =20 I'm sure that a 1 mm thick window has some purpose, but not in a high r= ise.=20 =20 You could layer it, like transparent plywood.=20 =20 The layers of plywood are glued together, alternating the grain direction. Can you glue up layers of transparent wood and maintain the=20 transparency? Did you read how transparent wood is created? Glue is a major component. What was actually written was this: "...they infused the wood with a tough transparent epoxy". Infusing wood with epoxy to fill the pores is very different than using epoxy (or any other glue) to bond the resulting surfaces together. Standard practice for bonding 2 smooth surfaces with epoxy is to scuff up the surface to give it some bite. Probably not a good idea when trying to keep something transparent. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it's a detail that would be good to know. Just because glue was used (infused) to create the product doesn't mean it'll work for bonding it while maintaining the transparency. Or you could just infuse the epoxy into a stack of bleached wood which laminates it as it's being infused under pressure. A definite maybe... |
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