On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 06:38:32 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/29/2021 10:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)

The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.



Is that cherry? What color are going to paint it. GOOD JOB!

The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.

Then it's on to installing the garbage disposal, the pots and pans drawers in the
base cabinets and a couple of new switches. (It looks like I measured the cabinets
correctly the last time I was here so I'm pretty sure that the drawers should fit just
fine. I hope.)

There's no 3-way switch for the 2nd floor hallway light. Just a 2nd floor switch.
Lutron has a Caseta line of wireless switches that has some good reviews. I plan
to replace the 2nd floor switch with the Caseta receiver switch and mount the
remote switch at the bottom of the stairs. They use Decora style wall plates, so
they will match the rest of the switches in her house. I really don't want to pull
wires in 1935 plaster & lath house.
Ah, where's the fun in that?

https://www.casetawireless.com/

The only thing that stops me from home automation is that they seem to
come out with a new "standard" every year. I once used X-10 but gave
that up long ago. Now it seems like a different app for every device.

X-10 sucks. I'd read about all these complex installations that people would
have, then I'd try a simple 1-sensor, 1 light installation and it would barely work
50% of the time. I'd ask questions in forums where the "experts" hung out and
I'd get answers like "Yeah, that happens sometimes".

How the heck were people running their entire houses with X-10 knowing that
"Yeah, that happens sometimes"?

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 06:38:32 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/29/2021 10:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)

The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.



Is that cherry? What color are going to paint it. GOOD JOB!

The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.

Then it's on to installing the garbage disposal, the pots and pans drawers in the
base cabinets and a couple of new switches. (It looks like I measured the cabinets
correctly the last time I was here so I'm pretty sure that the drawers should fit just
fine. I hope.)

There's no 3-way switch for the 2nd floor hallway light. Just a 2nd floor switch.
Lutron has a Caseta line of wireless switches that has some good reviews. I plan
to replace the 2nd floor switch with the Caseta receiver switch and mount the
remote switch at the bottom of the stairs. They use Decora style wall plates, so
they will match the rest of the switches in her house. I really don't want to pull
wires in 1935 plaster & lath house.
Ah, where's the fun in that?

https://www.casetawireless.com/

The only thing that stops me from home automation is that they seem to
come out with a new "standard" every year. I once used X-10 but gave
that up long ago. Now it seems like a different app for every device.

X-10 sucks. I'd read about all these complex installations that people would
have, then I'd try a simple 1-sensor, 1 light installation and it would barely work
50% of the time. I'd ask questions in forums where the "experts" hung out and
I'd get answers like "Yeah, that happens sometimes".

How the heck were people running their entire houses with X-10 knowing that
"Yeah, that happens sometimes"?

I had no real trouble with it. There was a problem working on the
opposite leg of the 240V but a capacitor across the two worked (one
was sold for the purpose). That wasn't my problem with it. Complex
systems were too much of a PITA to get working. It hasn't gotten
better.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 6:32:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 10:38:37 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)
The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.
So you built her a table. OK. Which is exactly what I told you she needed to work on in her basement. No vise, so its hard to call it a workbench. Its a table she can work at. So its a worktable, not a workbench. 32" high. My dining table is 30" high. My 6' folding table is 29" high. Your worktable is pretty close to the same height as my tables. Good job.

There you go again with the table crap. Where are those folding legs you said I should buy?
How many tables have a lower shelf and pegboard back?

Since when does the height of something determine what it is? If I built a workbench at 36",
the same height as a kitchen counter, would it suddenly become a base cabinet?

No vise...jeez, we just put the thing together 10 minutes before I posted the pic. No vise, so
it's not a workbench. Give me a frigging break.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:29:21 PM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 1/30/2021 9:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.
Amazing! After the second screw I'd have instructed her on how to use
the clutch etc etc. Watching 80-100 screws and just letting her continue
on sounds like child abuse to me...

Amazing! It's almost like you were right there while I stood around watching instead
of coaching, teaching, helping. When I didn't explain to her how the clutch would stop
her wrist from twisting. When I purposely didn't tell her that applying pressure in direct
line with the screw would stop the bit from slipping. When I didn't offer to take over
(multiple times) only to have her say "No, not yet. I've got this."

Man, you called it exactly right! Amazing.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 11:33:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/30/2021 8:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/29/2021 10:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)

The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.



Is that cherry? What color are going to paint it. GOOD JOB!

The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.
Impact drive should be next on the gift list. ;~)

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.

Then it's on to installing the garbage disposal, the pots and pans drawers in the
base cabinets and a couple of new switches. (It looks like I measured the cabinets
correctly the last time I was here so I'm pretty sure that the drawers should fit just
fine. I hope.)
Fingers Crossed!

The food waste disposal is in and disposing of food waste as expected.

The drawers fit perfectly. Drawer fronts going on tomorrow.

https://i.imgur.com/Os9SQ9X.jpg


There's no 3-way switch for the 2nd floor hallway light. Just a 2nd floor switch.
Lutron has a Caseta line of wireless switches that has some good reviews. I plan
to replace the 2nd floor switch with the Caseta receiver switch and mount the
remote switch at the bottom of the stairs. They use Decora style wall plates, so
they will match the rest of the switches in her house. I really don't want to pull
wires in 1935 plaster & lath house.

https://www.casetawireless.com/

That looks pretty cool, kind's like a wireless door bell switch.

Works fine too. At least for the time being. This wireless stuff can
be finicky, but this a pretty simple installation. No hub, no app, just
a receiver switch where the old toggle switch used to be and a
remote switch that is just surface mounted.

https://i.imgur.com/0VZP93E.jpg

Strange part is that the original toggle switch was a 3 way switch,
but only being used as a single pole switch. The source wiring is
really old cloth covered wiring but the load wires to the fixture is
modern day Romex. I can't imagine that anyone would have
removed the other switch and patched the wall at the bottom
of the stairs where it should have been. That would have been
a strange thing to do. The new wiring to the fixture seems to
indicate that the ceiling fixture wasn't always there, but I still
have no idea why there was a 3-way switch used to control it.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:45 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html



Ha ! Good find - but much tougher to find it in Canada ..
John T.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 06:38:32 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/29/2021 10:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)

The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.



Is that cherry? What color are going to paint it. GOOD JOB!

The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.

Then it's on to installing the garbage disposal, the pots and pans drawers in the
base cabinets and a couple of new switches. (It looks like I measured the cabinets
correctly the last time I was here so I'm pretty sure that the drawers should fit just
fine. I hope.)

There's no 3-way switch for the 2nd floor hallway light. Just a 2nd floor switch.
Lutron has a Caseta line of wireless switches that has some good reviews. I plan
to replace the 2nd floor switch with the Caseta receiver switch and mount the
remote switch at the bottom of the stairs. They use Decora style wall plates, so
they will match the rest of the switches in her house. I really don't want to pull
wires in 1935 plaster & lath house.
Ah, where's the fun in that?

https://www.casetawireless.com/

The only thing that stops me from home automation is that they seem to
come out with a new "standard" every year. I once used X-10 but gave
that up long ago. Now it seems like a different app for every device.

X-10 sucks. I'd read about all these complex installations that people would
have, then I'd try a simple 1-sensor, 1 light installation and it would barely work
50% of the time. I'd ask questions in forums where the "experts" hung out and
I'd get answers like "Yeah, that happens sometimes".

How the heck were people running their entire houses with X-10 knowing that
"Yeah, that happens sometimes"?

If the local electrical power is clean and quiet and if you don't have
surge/noise protectors on the X-10 devices you're trying to control
(plugged into the same duplex outlet counts as having a surge/noise
suppressor), then X-10 works. X10 does NOT work if you have TED (The
Energy Detective) monitoring your household power as it puts way too
much junk on the powerlines when it sends data. You also need to
understand that some sensors (light/dark) send a code for one device
when triggered and for the next device when released - and you need
the device being controlled on the same side of the split 120 (US)
unless you add a link to put that signal on the other side of the
split power feed. Once you figure out which side of the 120/240 every
outlet/switch is on, you can do lots with X10. Just plugging things
in at random outlets doesn't work - but that's in the manual IF you
read it. I use the wall-mounted RF remotes to control lamps that are
plugged into non-switched outlets. Beats walking across a dark room
to turn on a light ;-)

We've been using some X-10 devices for ~20 years. I like being able
to program the various lights when we're not at home and having
different lights active on different days and at different hours on
those days does make the place look lived in. I just purchased a new
house alarm base unit pkus a repeater to extend the range of the
sensors (this house is three floors). That's a project for the next
week or so... The alarm notification is a voice message sent by phone
to multiple numbers. You can include smoke, CO, flood, etc., alarms
to trigger that notification.

On 1/30/2021 2:52 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/30/2021 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/30/2021 11:41 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/30/2021 9:42 AM, wrote:

The only thing that stops me from home automation is that they seem to
come out with a new "standard" every year.Â* I once used X-10 but gave
that up long ago.Â* Now it seems like a different app for every device.

Home automation and wireless stuff is col,,,,, until it stops
working. Then you struggle with how to get it all running again.

I have 8 smart plugs on various lamps around the house. All plugs work
on a Kasa app and with Alexia. If they stop working, say you unplug
them or the WiFi goes down, startup is automatic. I like them a lot
because I just tell Alexa what I want, and it happens (usually).

I really like that all the lamps are on timers, so go on and off
automatically, and if away on vacation, the lights go off and on, and
can be controlled from the other side of the world from my cell phone
if I want.

The down side, and after several years this has not happened, is if
the plug or WiFi stops working you will have to unplug each lamp from
the smart plug and plug it directly into the outlet like it was before
smart plug days in order to turn on the lamp. Some of my plugs are not
easy to get to, and would be fun crawling around on the floor with a
flashlight to fix.

Another minor issue is if someone turns off a light manually, later
you'll wonder why the smart plug won't do anything.


And there is the issue of Alexa not working for what ever reason....Â* I
was one of the original owners of the Echo.Â* It does not always work
properly and we have 4 altogether.

I also have a weather app that is WiFi
And it is tied into my sprinkler system, also WiFi.Â* Door Bell/WiFi.
Front door lock/WiFi, garage door opener/ WiFi.Â* My wife's sewing
machine, WiFi.Â* 2 radio's/ WiFi
TV DVR/WiFi.Â* Phones/Wifi.

And when WiFI goes down...... ;~)

My wife's washer is even WiFi. My earphones are WiFi and if you want to
make adjustments say for noise cancellation, you need to use your cell
phone. I have a Fire TV and it has NO nobs, buttons touch screen or any
method of adjusting anything, including turning on or off other than the
WiFi remote. If the remote breaks the only control you have is to pull
the plug.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 1/30/2021 8:38 PM, wrote:

I won't have an Alexa in the house. Actually, I did. My son gave us
one. It never left the box.

My son gave us the one we have. Never really wanted one. Turns out it
is pretty darned nice. I now have a bunch of them around the house.

Besides controlling a bunch of lights, they answer most questions, like
convert 32mm to inches, or 7 day weather forecast, or how many miles
from Pgh to Denver.

Also the sound on the regular Alexa is pretty good (not the echo), and
with Amazon Prime she plays 99% of any music you want, free. (Alexa,
play Mashed Potatoes by Nat Kendrick And The Swans, or play some Bo
Diddly, or play my music library) She also hooks up to my Sono's sound
thing-ee my son bought me, and my Samsung sound bar he also bought me,
which all have great sound.

The best is I get to talk trash to her at will, and give insane
political commentary in hopes some dick at Amazon is listening in...

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 1/30/2021 2:45 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/30/2021 11:29 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/30/2021 9:38 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and
bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are
barely tight.
Amazing!Â* After the second screw I'd have instructed her on how to use
the clutch etc etc. Watching 80-100 screws and just letting her
continue on sounds like child abuse to me...

I think the child is 30 something.Â* ;~)

Never too old for a bit of child abuse....

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:39:34 AM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 1/30/2021 8:38 PM, wrote:

I won't have an Alexa in the house. Actually, I did. My son gave us
one. It never left the box.
My son gave us the one we have. Never really wanted one. Turns out it
is pretty darned nice. I now have a bunch of them around the house.

Besides controlling a bunch of lights, they answer most questions, like
convert 32mm to inches, or 7 day weather forecast, or how many miles
from Pgh to Denver.

Also the sound on the regular Alexa is pretty good (not the echo), and
with Amazon Prime she plays 99% of any music you want, free. (Alexa,
play Mashed Potatoes by Nat Kendrick And The Swans, or play some Bo
Diddly, or play my music library) She also hooks up to my Sono's sound
thing-ee my son bought me, and my Samsung sound bar he also bought me,
which all have great sound.

The best is I get to talk trash to her at will, and give insane
political commentary in hopes some dick at Amazon is listening in...
--


"Also the sound on the regular Alexa is pretty good (not the echo)"

Which Echo device are you referring to as a "regular Alexa?"

Alexa is not a device. Alexa is the name of the AI technology that all of the
various Echo smart speakers, the Alexa app, some cars, and a bunch of
other devices use. The various smart speakers and video devices from
Amazon are all Echo devices. Echo, Echo Dot, Echo Show, Echo Studio, etc.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/smart-ho...azons-alexa-do

As far as the sound quality, it really depends on which Echo device you are using.

I have four Gen 3 Echo Dots but I only listen to one of them "directly".

The one in the living is connected to a sound bar with a sub-woofer. With the
swap of a cord, it can be connected to my surround sound system.

The one in the shop is connected to an old all-in-one bookshelf stereo unit
with some upgraded speakers.

The one in the garage is connected my DeWalt boom box.

The one in the master bedroom is not connected to anything. It's mainly
just an alarm clock with benefits.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 03:34:01 -0500, ads wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 06:38:32 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:18:05 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/29/2021 10:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)

The workbench is done. My daughter drove at least 80 of the 100+ screws used.
I took over when her hand started cramping up. ;-)

It turns out that my guess at a good height for her 5'-1" frame was just right, at l
east for now. The work surface is at 32".

She is pretty proud of her handy work.

https://i.imgur.com/5WJjvFh.jpg

Thanks for all the ideas.



Is that cherry? What color are going to paint it. GOOD JOB!

The hardest part was not getting frustrated at how gentle she
was when driving the screws. She would drive them real slow
and then stop when they bottomed out. She really wasn't driving
them home. I just bought her the drill for Christmas so she hasn't
had a lot of practice.

She's going shopping with SWMBO soon so I'm going to crank them all down
after she leaves. Between the brackets and the screwed down shelf and bench
top it's very solid, but I know that some of the bracket screws are barely tight.

Then it's on to installing the garbage disposal, the pots and pans drawers in the
base cabinets and a couple of new switches. (It looks like I measured the cabinets
correctly the last time I was here so I'm pretty sure that the drawers should fit just
fine. I hope.)

There's no 3-way switch for the 2nd floor hallway light. Just a 2nd floor switch.
Lutron has a Caseta line of wireless switches that has some good reviews. I plan
to replace the 2nd floor switch with the Caseta receiver switch and mount the
remote switch at the bottom of the stairs. They use Decora style wall plates, so
they will match the rest of the switches in her house. I really don't want to pull
wires in 1935 plaster & lath house.
Ah, where's the fun in that?

https://www.casetawireless.com/

The only thing that stops me from home automation is that they seem to
come out with a new "standard" every year. I once used X-10 but gave
that up long ago. Now it seems like a different app for every device.

X-10 sucks. I'd read about all these complex installations that people would
have, then I'd try a simple 1-sensor, 1 light installation and it would barely work
50% of the time. I'd ask questions in forums where the "experts" hung out and
I'd get answers like "Yeah, that happens sometimes".

How the heck were people running their entire houses with X-10 knowing that
"Yeah, that happens sometimes"?

If the local electrical power is clean and quiet and if you don't have
surge/noise protectors on the X-10 devices you're trying to control
(plugged into the same duplex outlet counts as having a surge/noise
suppressor), then X-10 works. X10 does NOT work if you have TED (The
Energy Detective) monitoring your household power as it puts way too
much junk on the powerlines when it sends data. You also need to
understand that some sensors (light/dark) send a code for one device
when triggered and for the next device when released - and you need
the device being controlled on the same side of the split 120 (US)
unless you add a link to put that signal on the other side of the
split power feed. Once you figure out which side of the 120/240 every
outlet/switch is on, you can do lots with X10. Just plugging things
in at random outlets doesn't work - but that's in the manual IF you
read it. I use the wall-mounted RF remotes to control lamps that are
plugged into non-switched outlets. Beats walking across a dark room
to turn on a light ;-)

We've been using some X-10 devices for ~20 years. I like being able
to program the various lights when we're not at home and having
different lights active on different days and at different hours on
those days does make the place look lived in. I just purchased a new
house alarm base unit pkus a repeater to extend the range of the
sensors (this house is three floors). That's a project for the next
week or so... The alarm notification is a voice message sent by phone
to multiple numbers. You can include smoke, CO, flood, etc., alarms
to trigger that notification.

I played with X10 way backalong. I'm now in the process of pulling
and tossing it all. I never found it satisfactory as a control
system. It's the 21st Century and there are much more reliable ways
to do things.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:39:27 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 1/30/2021 8:38 PM, wrote:

I won't have an Alexa in the house. Actually, I did. My son gave us
one. It never left the box.

My son gave us the one we have. Never really wanted one. Turns out it
is pretty darned nice. I now have a bunch of them around the house.

Besides controlling a bunch of lights, they answer most questions, like
convert 32mm to inches, or 7 day weather forecast, or how many miles
from Pgh to Denver.

Yeah but the price of controlling lights is being controlled yourself.
Not going to happen.

Also the sound on the regular Alexa is pretty good (not the echo), and
with Amazon Prime she plays 99% of any music you want, free. (Alexa,
play Mashed Potatoes by Nat Kendrick And The Swans, or play some Bo
Diddly, or play my music library) She also hooks up to my Sono's sound
thing-ee my son bought me, and my Samsung sound bar he also bought me,
which all have great sound.

The best is I get to talk trash to her at will, and give insane
political commentary in hopes some dick at Amazon is listening in...

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:45 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html


No HF in Canada ... but we do have Busy Bee :

https://tinyurl.com/y48dbcf5

John T.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:01:35 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:45 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html


No HF in Canada ... but we do have Busy Bee :

https://tinyurl.com/y48dbcf5

John T.

Isn't Princess Tire (something like that) the Canadian HF? Any cheap
item you might want, all from China?

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:11:38 -0500, ads wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:01:35 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:45 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html


No HF in Canada ... but we do have Busy Bee :

https://tinyurl.com/y48dbcf5

John T.

Isn't Princess Tire (something like that) the Canadian HF? Any cheap
item you might want, all from China?


Princess Auto - similar, but not much into woodworking :

https://www.princessauto.com/en/

John T.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:01:35 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:45 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:51:00 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:19:10 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx94zSkRWBU/maxresdefault.jpg

If you were going to build a general purpose workbench for a new homeowner,
would you follow the wrist height rule? The person I have in mind is not a
woodworker. She knows which end of a screwdriver to use, but she might not
always use the right bit. ;-)


I thought I'd keep my eye on this one, at a local auction -
but it's already close to what my max. would be ..

https://tinyurl.com/yytjwvd7

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-63395.html


No HF in Canada ... but we do have Busy Bee :

https://tinyurl.com/y48dbcf5

I don't think that's the same workbench. It's lot more expensive and
has a thinker top (perhaps real).

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 1/29/2021 5:30 PM, bob wrote:
My gosh, you're pretty abusive to people offering you good advice, and
asking relevant questions. It seems like you're the one who wants her to
have a workbench, and then require her to use it, so long as it fits
your needs.

Come on man, take what information others are providing to you, digest
them without regurgitating them back to the responder first, and then
ask more questions if needed. But don't be abusive or sound arrogant in
your replies. You're the one who asked for help.....
This is his MO. Nothing new. He not only asked for help, but gave zero
pertinent info like what it would be used for, height of user and so on.
Then as people answer him, he ekes out more info whilst belittling those
trying to help him.

The best is he's supposedly been a woodworker for 35 years, you'd think
he would be answering the questions rather than asking. Then, he
"builds" a cheesy "workbench" with his credit card... Yuck!

I put *everything* on my credit card. I get 1%-3% back on *everything* I buy.
It just makes financial sense. Helps keep my credit score above 825 too.

"He" didn't build a cheesy workbench. "We" built a cheesy workbench. As in
my daughter and I. The daughter that, up until Friday night, didn't have flat
surface in her basement suitable for stirring a can of paint or a place to stash
her small, but growing, set of tools.

I've got a grand total of about 3 hours (including shopping) into the thing. The
most important time was the 1.5 hours of bonding/teaching time with my daughter
(with SWMBO lovingly watching over us) and now my daughter has *something* to
use as she learns the in-and-outs of DIY around her first house - a 1935 house that
sure could use a little TLC.

Scoff all you want. We had a fantastic weekend and we got a lot done, including
using the workbench for more than just bonding. Sure, I could have bought her
a folding table and threw it in a corner. "There you go. Stir all the paint you want."

Instead, I helped her *build her own workbench*. I'm sure you can understand the
difference between someone buying her a folding table and someone helping her
build her own workbench.

She knows perfectly well that it's not a high-end furniture making workbench. That's
not what she needs right now - or maybe ever. We agreed that she will use the
workbench to figure out what works and what doesn't. Too high? Too low? Too wide?
Too short? Do you want drawers in next one? Maybe shelves? Will it be for woodworking?
Arts and crafts? We don't know yet, but in the meantime she has a dedicated area to use
for projects and to figure out what she likes - or doesn't like.

For all I know, she'll decide that DIY isn't for her. Maybe the only DIY she'll get into is
taking out all the screws that she put in and tossing the whole thing in her fire pit.
On the other hand, maybe she'll get so into it that her first workbench will morph
into her first outfeed table. I don't care either way. What I do know is that she sure
seemed happy to be building and using her own workbench this weekend.

That's all that really matters to me.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 20:02:29 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

What I do know is that she sure
seemed happy to be building and using her own workbench this weekend.

That's all that really matters to me.

Yep, that's the bottom line.

Everything else is just someone's opinion.

On 1/31/2021 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:39:27 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 1/30/2021 8:38 PM, wrote:

I won't have an Alexa in the house. Actually, I did. My son gave us
one. It never left the box.

My son gave us the one we have. Never really wanted one. Turns out it
is pretty darned nice. I now have a bunch of them around the house.

Besides controlling a bunch of lights, they answer most questions, like
convert 32mm to inches, or 7 day weather forecast, or how many miles
from Pgh to Denver.

Yeah but the price of controlling lights is being controlled yourself.
Not going to happen.

Smart plugs were $7 apiece. I can afford it. Not sure how controlling my
lights is controlling myself. but I enjoy going to bed and simply saying
turn off all lights and poof, lights are off.

Also enjoy all the other benefits of light control, music access, most
radio stations across the country (Iheart radio), weather forecast
anywhere in the country and encyclopedia all within sound of my voice.
Other benefits like set an alarm for 4 minutes (eggs) or set reminder
every Monday at 7pm to take out rubbish. All sorts of life controlling
things, all well worth the small expense.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 1/31/2021 11:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

The best is he's supposedly been a woodworker for 35 years, you'd think
he would be answering the questions rather than asking. Then, he
"builds" a cheesy "workbench" with his credit card... Yuck!

I put *everything* on my credit card. I get 1%-3% back on *everything* I buy.
It just makes financial sense. Helps keep my credit score above 825 too.

My point wasn't using the credit card, it was buying an already made,
piece of crap workbench. Yes, that workbench might satisfy her minimal
needs for a workbench, but at least you could have taught her how to set
screws with a drill, assuming she couldn't figure it out on her own,
which sure isn't rocket science.

Instead, I helped her *build her own workbench*. I'm sure you can understand the difference between someone buying her a folding table and someone helping her build her own workbench.

Of course my point was watching her drive 80 to 100 screws without
spending 30 seconds showing her how to set the clutch and set the last
79 to 99 screws correctly. This I mused bordered on child abuse...

I never mentioned buying her a folding table. If my daughter wanted a
work bench like you bought her, I'd tell her to go to HD or HF and buy
it, put it together yourself. If she wanted to build one, I'd help her
design, and build it herself. I would not stand there whilst she
improperly tightened a hundred screws, particularly since besides
reading directions, it would be about the only skill needed to assemble
the thing.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:22:19 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 1/31/2021 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:39:27 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 1/30/2021 8:38 PM, wrote:

I won't have an Alexa in the house. Actually, I did. My son gave us
one. It never left the box.

My son gave us the one we have. Never really wanted one. Turns out it
is pretty darned nice. I now have a bunch of them around the house.

Besides controlling a bunch of lights, they answer most questions, like
convert 32mm to inches, or 7 day weather forecast, or how many miles
from Pgh to Denver.

Yeah but the price of controlling lights is being controlled yourself.
Not going to happen.

Smart plugs were $7 apiece. I can afford it.

WOW! Count me as impressed.

Not sure how controlling my
lights is controlling myself.

I'm sure you'll never understand.

but I enjoy going to bed and simply saying
turn off all lights and poof, lights are off.

I have these things on the wall called "switches". While they are hard
work to use, at least they're deaf.


Also enjoy all the other benefits of light control, music access, most
radio stations across the country (Iheart radio), weather forecast
anywhere in the country and encyclopedia all within sound of my voice.
Other benefits like set an alarm for 4 minutes (eggs) or set reminder
every Monday at 7pm to take out rubbish. All sorts of life controlling
things, all well worth the small expense.

You're certainly easy to please. Your owners are quite happy about
that.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:58:39 PM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 1/31/2021 11:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

The best is he's supposedly been a woodworker for 35 years, you'd think
he would be answering the questions rather than asking. Then, he
"builds" a cheesy "workbench" with his credit card... Yuck!

I put *everything* on my credit card. I get 1%-3% back on *everything* I buy.
It just makes financial sense. Helps keep my credit score above 825 too.

My point wasn't using the credit card, it was buying an already made,
piece of crap workbench. Yes, that workbench might satisfy her minimal
needs for a workbench, but at least you could have taught her how to set
screws with a drill, assuming she couldn't figure it out on her own,
which sure isn't rocket science.

I didn't buy a ready made workbench. Try to keep up.


Instead, I helped her *build her own workbench*. I'm sure you can understand the difference between someone buying her a folding table and someone helping her build her own workbench.

Of course my point was watching her drive 80 to 100 screws without
spending 30 seconds showing her how to set the clutch and set the last
79 to 99 screws correctly. This I mused bordered on child abuse...

I already addressed your ridiculous accusation that I watched her drive
screws without helping/teaching/showing her the correct way. Perhaps
you didn't understand my not so subtle sarcasm. Try to keep up.


I never mentioned buying her a folding table. If my daughter wanted a
work bench like you bought her, I'd tell her to go to HD or HF and buy
it, put it together yourself. If she wanted to build one, I'd help her
design, and build it herself. I would not stand there whilst she
improperly tightened a hundred screws, particularly since besides
reading directions, it would be about the only skill needed to assemble
the thing.

Good grief. Where do you come up with the crap you spew? It's almost like you
don't even read what you respond to.

Moving on...

On 2/2/2021 2:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:22:19 -0500, Jack wrote:

Yeah but the price of controlling lights is being controlled yourself.
Not going to happen.

Smart plugs were $7 apiece. I can afford it.

WOW! Count me as impressed.
I'll count you as a maroon, if that's OK with you...

Not sure how controlling my
lights is controlling myself.

I'm sure you'll never understand.

I'm sure you haven't a clue, and are incapable of explaining most of the
dumb crap you spew on just about every topic that comes up, even if you
can't cut a straight line.

I have these things on the wall called "switches". While they are hard
work to use, at least they're deaf.
Lucky for them. At least they don't need to listen to a fool.

Also enjoy all the other benefits of light control, music access, most
radio stations across the country (Iheart radio), weather forecast
anywhere in the country and encyclopedia all within sound of my voice.
Other benefits like set an alarm for 4 minutes (eggs) or set reminder
every Monday at 7pm to take out rubbish. All sorts of life controlling
things, all well worth the small expense.

You're certainly easy to please. Your owners are quite happy about
that.

Oh, I get it, you are worried about everyone spying on little old you.
I suggest wrapping your tiny brain in tin foil, that might help.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 09:41:57 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 2/2/2021 2:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:22:19 -0500, Jack wrote:

Yeah but the price of controlling lights is being controlled yourself.
Not going to happen.

Smart plugs were $7 apiece. I can afford it.

WOW! Count me as impressed.
I'll count you as a maroon, if that's OK with you...

Not sure how controlling my
lights is controlling myself.

I'm sure you'll never understand.

I'm sure you haven't a clue, and are incapable of explaining most of the
dumb crap you spew on just about every topic that comes up, even if you
can't cut a straight line.

What a moron. No wonder you can't tell the difference between a
workbench and a folding table.

I have these things on the wall called "switches". While they are hard
work to use, at least they're deaf.
Lucky for them. At least they don't need to listen to a fool.

I don't have Jeff listening to me, no, but I do find you rather funny.

Also enjoy all the other benefits of light control, music access, most
radio stations across the country (Iheart radio), weather forecast
anywhere in the country and encyclopedia all within sound of my voice.
Other benefits like set an alarm for 4 minutes (eggs) or set reminder
every Monday at 7pm to take out rubbish. All sorts of life controlling
things, all well worth the small expense.

You're certainly easy to please. Your owners are quite happy about
that.

Oh, I get it, you are worried about everyone spying on little old you.
I suggest wrapping your tiny brain in tin foil, that might help.

If you don't, you're an idiot (you don't so...). You must be a
Bidenite.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
:

Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES. It is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration. With saw dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low. But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity on
the hose. And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

On 3/30/2021 1:15 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
:

Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES. It is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration. With saw dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low. But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity on
the hose. And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

Static electricity causes things to stick together. This causes the
clogs. The ground strap bleeds the electricity from the system safely
to the ground, allowing the dust to flow freely.

The same static electricity causes the spark that you get in some
situations when you touch your spouses nose. With the right dust
concentration that spark could cause the dust to explode.

A similar situation occurred in grain elevators where dust explosion use
to be quite common.

On 3/30/2021 1:15 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
:

Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES. It is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration. With saw dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low. But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity on
the hose. And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

this is a refference for my message on dust explosions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

On 3/30/2021 6:43 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 3/30/2021 1:15 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
:

Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES.Â* It
is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration.Â* With saw
dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low.Â* But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion
thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity
on
the hose.Â* And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

this is a refference for my message on dust explosions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion
My frist post appears not to have come through.

Static electricity causes the dust in your dust colllection system to
stick together and clog up the pipes. The electicity is bleed from the
system to the ground by the metal grounding strap.

This is the same electicity that you see sometime in cat fur, or when
you touch your spouse's noise

It is a common cause of explosions in grain elevators, which were quite
common in the past,

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:39:28 -0400, knuttle
wrote:


On 3/30/2021 1:15 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
:

Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES. It is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration. With saw dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low. But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity on
the hose. And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

Static electricity causes things to stick together. This causes the
clogs. The ground strap bleeds the electricity from the system safely
to the ground, allowing the dust to flow freely.

The ground strap blocks flow causing more blockage. That's its only
purpose.

The same static electricity causes the spark that you get in some
situations when you touch your spouses nose. With the right dust
concentration that spark could cause the dust to explode.

Old wives tale. It's NEVER happened.

A similar situation occurred in grain elevators where dust explosion use
to be quite common.

A *very* different situation.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:39:28 -0400, knuttle
wrote:


On 3/30/2021 1:15 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:38:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:17 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
knuttle wrote in
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Any thing can be handled WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRACTICES. It is when
you neglect those practices that accidents happen.

In the winter when doing a lot of work on my table saw, I turn off all
spark producing devices, as dust like volatile liquids can explode
with an ignition source and the right concentration. With saw dust
the chances of explosion are extremely low. But the chances of one
house blowing up from a gas leak are extremely low.

It's been a long time since I've seen the saw dust explosion thing... IIRC,
it takes a dust to air ratio so thick that you can't breath.

Puckdropper



I don't recall if the warning to ground the DC is to prevent an
explosion from a spark or not.

More likely to prevent one from being shocked from static electricity on
the hose. And that static electricity tends to let dust build up inside
the hose.

The grounding strap in the hoses helps to prevent clogs, keeps things
from sticking to each other.

Static electricity causes things to stick together. This causes the
clogs. The ground strap bleeds the electricity from the system safely
to the ground, allowing the dust to flow freely.

The same static electricity causes the spark that you get in some
situations when you touch your spouses nose. With the right dust
concentration that spark could cause the dust to explode.

A similar situation occurred in grain elevators where dust explosion use
to be quite common.

Biggest one I am aware of was a sugar proccessing plant, believe it
was in Texas. But the energy available in sucer it a lot high than
sawdust.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

Start stacking books on a table until you find what feels right--keeping
in mind what you intend to be doing. Worked for me--40" exactly.
Probably a little higher than what might generally "be suggested", but
it works for me. Note: It's probably typically easier to shorten legs
than the reverse.

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 10:18:57 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've been doing some reading about the proper workbench height. A lot
of sources say that for "general work" the proper height is right at the wrist
level of the user. Adjustments are made from there for specific types of
work.

Start stacking books on a table until you find what feels right--keeping
in mind what you intend to be doing. Worked for me--40" exactly.
Probably a little higher than what might generally "be suggested", but
it works for me. Note: It's probably typically easier to shorten legs
than the reverse.

Your suggestion is about 3 months too late, but thanks anyway.

Maybe next time. ;-)