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Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer.
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On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote:
Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ |
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On 1/15/2021 5:56 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order.Â* Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads?Â* I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ And have you seen this? This guy is pretty interesting and seems to talk from experience. In about the middle of the video he talks about LUX heads and their rust proof finish. |
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'On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ Mywoodcutters is just a reseller for Byrd. They do not stock anything. I placed an order with them in late October. I cancelled the order this week. I finally ordered the Lux cut III head, after going over reviews on Youtube. They claim to have large stocks - we will see what happens there. |
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On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 6:00:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On 1/15/2021 5:56 PM, Leon wrote: On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ And have you seen this? This guy is pretty interesting and seems to talk from experience. In about the middle of the video he talks about LUX heads and their rust proof finish. There was no link in your reply |
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On 1/15/2021 6:13 PM, Bob D wrote:
'On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote: On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ Mywoodcutters is just a reseller for Byrd. They do not stock anything. I placed an order with them in late October. I cancelled the order this week. I finally ordered the Lux cut III head, after going over reviews on Youtube. They claim to have large stocks - we will see what happens there. Waiting is no fun.... I'm still waiting on my jointer/planer combo...... Although if it arrives too soon It will be in the way. LOL. I am working on a kitchen redo. New cabinet doors and drawers plus I am adding drawers to 5 of the bottom cabinets. About 21 drawers all together. |
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On 1/15/2021 6:14 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 6:00:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote: On 1/15/2021 5:56 PM, Leon wrote: On 1/13/2021 3:18 PM, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. Bob Have you tried here? https://mywoodcutters.com/ And have you seen this? This guy is pretty interesting and seems to talk from experience. In about the middle of the video he talks about LUX heads and their rust proof finish. There was no link in your reply Sorry!!! You may be happier with the LUX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWkGXL2Jp88 |
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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote:
Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob |
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On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Thanks for the feedback... I had looked some time ago for my PM 180 -- iirc it was $12-1300 w/o bearings and any extra inserts. That was enough to discourage me. I'm not all that dissatisfied with carbide knives in the jointer that I'd put the money towards a larger machine instead of replacing head in this one. -- |
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On 1/24/2021 7:43 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. My 15" planer with a spiral segmented cutting head is awesome. It's quieter and smoother (knots and wild grain are meaningless) than my 6" 3 blade planer. Should have replaced the head in my planer long ago. I personally would not consider buying a jointer, or planer w/o a segmented, spiral cutter head. The difference is not small. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. |
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On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob HA! I thought you were ordering that for your planer to begin with. LOL I just got this, still has the gunk on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ With the helical head. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ And yes that is a stationary Delta 15" planer behind it. That is on the has to go list. |
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On 1/25/2021 10:24 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/24/2021 7:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week.Â* I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel.Â* It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise.Â* I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters.Â* The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. My 15" planer with a spiral segmented cutting head is awesome. It's quieter and smoother (knots and wild grain are meaningless) thanÂ* my 6" 3 blade planer.Â* Should have replaced the head in my planer long ago.Â* I personally would not consider buying a jointer, or planer w/o a segmented, spiral cutter head.Â* The difference is not small. And your comments are what steered me to buy the helical head of the new Jointer/Planer combo. A luxury item for more exotic rough cut pieces of wood. When I'm selling my work I use S4S wood, I'm not selling my time to prep wood. |
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On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:13:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob HA! I thought you were ordering that for your planer to begin with. LOL I just got this, still has the gunk on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ With the helical head. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ And yes that is a stationary Delta 15" planer behind it. That is on the has to go list. What is it? I've looked on the Jet site and don't see a JPJ-12. I assume it's a jointer planer. My next major purchase is a jointer (I think) and I'm split between an 8" Jet, Laguna, or Powermatic. I doubt it's going to be the Powermatic. I don't see spending the extra $500. The Jet and Laguna are priced similarly. I may settle for a 6" because of the weight of the 8". 600+ pounds is going to be difficult for me to moose into the basement. |
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On 1/25/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/25/2021 10:24 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/24/2021 7:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week.Â* I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel.Â* It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise.Â* I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters.Â* The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. My 15" planer with a spiral segmented cutting head is awesome. It's quieter and smoother (knots and wild grain are meaningless) thanÂ* my 6" 3 blade planer.Â* Should have replaced the head in my planer long ago.Â* I personally would not consider buying a jointer, or planer w/o a segmented, spiral cutter head.Â* The difference is not small. And your comments are what steered me to buy the helical head of the new Jointer/Planer combo.Â* A luxury item for more exotic rough cut pieces of wood. When I'm selling my work I use S4S wood, I'm not selling my time to prep wood. I'm sure you'll be pleased. My comments above regarding the 6", 3 blade planer were strange, I meant to say 6" 3 bladed *jointer*. While my 6" jointer is a good quality machine, the blades suck unless super sharp, and then it is only OK, compared to a segmented cutter, and with face jointing, it is much louder than the 15" planer. I'm not doing much wood work anymore, certainly not large cabinet jobs, so I don't plan on replacing the heads on the jointer. If I were younger, I would replace the heads or the entire jointer. A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. |
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On 1/26/2021 8:53 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/25/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote: On 1/25/2021 10:24 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/24/2021 7:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week.Â* I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel.Â* It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise.Â* I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters.Â* The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. My 15" planer with a spiral segmented cutting head is awesome. It's quieter and smoother (knots and wild grain are meaningless) thanÂ* my 6" 3 blade planer.Â* Should have replaced the head in my planer long ago.Â* I personally would not consider buying a jointer, or planer w/o a segmented, spiral cutter head.Â* The difference is not small. And your comments are what steered me to buy the helical head of the new Jointer/Planer combo.Â* A luxury item for more exotic rough cut pieces of wood. When I'm selling my work I use S4S wood, I'm not selling my time to prep wood. I'm sure you'll be pleased.Â* My comments above regarding the 6", 3 blade planer were strange, I meant to say 6" 3 bladed *jointer*. While my 6" jointer is a good quality machine, the blades suck unless super sharp, and then it is only OK, compared to a segmented cutter, and with face jointing, it is much louder than the 15" planer. The gunk is still on mine, I am in the middle of a kitchen redo and I have no need for a jointer or planer right now. BUT I did add the plug and turned it on. It is very quiet compared to my 15" Delta 3 blade planer. I'm sure I will be pleased. I'm not doing much wood work anymore, certainly not large cabinet jobs, so I don't plan on replacing the heads on the jointer.Â* If I were younger, I would replace the heads or the entire jointer. I was hoping to steer away from large jobs and do more detailed exotic work. But here I am in the middle of a kitchen. A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. I understand that the chips are smaller. I really have not had an issue with my 30' flex hose clogging. I don't have duct work, just the long hose. I hook one machine up at a time and it goes to a JET 1100 CFM DC. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:07:31 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/25/2021 8:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:13:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob HA! I thought you were ordering that for your planer to begin with. LOL I just got this, still has the gunk on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ With the helical head. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ And yes that is a stationary Delta 15" planer behind it. That is on the has to go list. What is it? I've looked on the Jet site and don't see a JPJ-12. I assume it's a jointer planer. https://www.jettools.com/us/en/p/jjp...al-head/708476 Jointer/Planer Combo w/Helical Head I was just confused because your picture has JPJ12 on the side instead of JJP-12HH. Odd. My next major purchase is a jointer (I think) and I'm split between an 8" Jet, Laguna, or Powermatic. I doubt it's going to be the Powermatic. I don't see spending the extra $500. The Jet and Laguna are priced similarly. Soooo. In the past most of my work was 90% commission. I did not want to buy S2S or rough cut and charge my customer to mill the material. There is not that much of a difference in price getting S4S if you consider time to sort and mill. I had a small jointer many years ago, Craftsman, and got rid if it many years ago. I currently have a Delta 15" stationary planer and is seldom use it to capacity especially with having a 22/44 drum sander. Now I want to use more exoctic/expensive woods that are absolutely less expensive in rough cut form. So back to a large 12" jointer/planer I went. I'll likely be selling the Delta. I don't want to wast any valuable floor space, although with the new machine in place I seem to have gotten some free extra space...... I have a 13" lunchbox planer that's done OK. I recently bought a 25/50 drum sander so I think I'm good there. I have a lot of lumber (ash and "sugar" maple) that's suspect. Most is finished S2S and that's being charitable. I'd like to use some more exotic stuff too but probably not that large. I have on old Crapsman that never worked all that well. I'll have to put it where I intend to put the RAS. That be wherever they take scrap. I may settle for a 6" because of the weight of the 8". 600+ pounds is going to be difficult for me to moose into the basement. My lathe was about 450lbs but it came in pieces. The complication was that it was on my truck anf getting the bed and headstock off the truck was a trip. My bandsaw was similar weight but didn't have much trouble with it, though it tooks some engineerin. 600lbs just seems a reach to manage by myself. Haven't decided. My Jet is 600 lbs in it's excellent plywood crate, 500 out of the crate. And I have it on the Bora Portamate mobile base. I saw the base. I have my drill press and router table on a similar (though only two swivel wheels) Portamate. The local Woodcraft was blowing them out a couple of years ago for $50 each so I bought what they had (3). I still have one, not sure for what. |
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:07:31 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/25/2021 8:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:13:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob HA! I thought you were ordering that for your planer to begin with. LOL I just got this, still has the gunk on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ With the helical head. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ And yes that is a stationary Delta 15" planer behind it. That is on the has to go list. What is it? I've looked on the Jet site and don't see a JPJ-12. I assume it's a jointer planer. https://www.jettools.com/us/en/p/jjp...al-head/708476 Jointer/Planer Combo w/Helical Head I was just confused because your picture has JPJ12 on the side instead of JJP-12HH. Odd. My next major purchase is a jointer (I think) and I'm split between an 8" Jet, Laguna, or Powermatic. I doubt it's going to be the Powermatic. I don't see spending the extra $500. The Jet and Laguna are priced similarly. Soooo. In the past most of my work was 90% commission. I did not want to buy S2S or rough cut and charge my customer to mill the material. There is not that much of a difference in price getting S4S if you consider time to sort and mill. I had a small jointer many years ago, Craftsman, and got rid if it many years ago. I currently have a Delta 15" stationary planer and is seldom use it to capacity especially with having a 22/44 drum sander. Now I want to use more exoctic/expensive woods that are absolutely less expensive in rough cut form. So back to a large 12" jointer/planer I went. I'll likely be selling the Delta. I don't want to wast any valuable floor space, although with the new machine in place I seem to have gotten some free extra space...... I have a 13" lunchbox planer that's done OK. I recently bought a 25/50 drum sander so I think I'm good there. I have a lot of lumber (ash and "sugar" maple) that's suspect. Most is finished S2S and that's being charitable. I'd like to use some more exotic stuff too but probably not that large. I have on old Crapsman that never worked all that well. I'll have to put it where I intend to put the RAS. That be wherever they take scrap. I may settle for a 6" because of the weight of the 8". 600+ pounds is going to be difficult for me to moose into the basement. My lathe was about 450lbs but it came in pieces. The complication was that it was on my truck anf getting the bed and headstock off the truck was a trip. My bandsaw was similar weight but didn't have much trouble with it, though it tooks some engineerin. 600lbs just seems a reach to manage by myself. Haven't decided. My Jet is 600 lbs in it's excellent plywood crate, 500 out of the crate. And I have it on the Bora Portamate mobile base. I saw the base. I have my drill press and router table on a similar (though only two swivel wheels) Portamate. The local Woodcraft was blowing them out a couple of years ago for $50 each so I bought what they had (3). I still have one, not sure for what. Perhaps for me? |
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On 1/26/2021 9:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:07:31 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/25/2021 8:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:13:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/24/2021 6:43 PM, Bob D wrote: On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:18:26 PM UTC-6, Bob D wrote: Shelix heads are on severe back order. Does anyone have experience or comments regarding Shelix vx. Lux Cut III heads? I am shopping to upgrade the head on my Powermatic 54a jointer. I ordered a Lux Cut III head and received it in about a week. I installed it today. This feels like I went from a crude axe to a surgeon's scalpel. It is much quieter, easier to control and very, very precise. I may expect to use my jointer a lot more now. The Lux head is sold with new bearings installed. They are not optional. It also comes with tools to change individual cutters and five spare cutters. The quality of the head looks very impressive. I used a gear puller acquired through the free loaner program at autozone parts to remove the holding blocks from the old cutter head. It worked perfectly. Now to see if the pocketbook can spring for a new head like this for my Powermatic PM15 planer. Bob HA! I thought you were ordering that for your planer to begin with. LOL I just got this, still has the gunk on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ With the helical head. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ And yes that is a stationary Delta 15" planer behind it. That is on the has to go list. What is it? I've looked on the Jet site and don't see a JPJ-12. I assume it's a jointer planer. https://www.jettools.com/us/en/p/jjp...al-head/708476 Jointer/Planer Combo w/Helical Head I was just confused because your picture has JPJ12 on the side instead of JJP-12HH. Odd. Yeah, the unit comes with 3 cutter head or with helical. I think they are the same other than that. I guess they only wanted one decal for the base. ;~) My next major purchase is a jointer (I think) and I'm split between an 8" Jet, Laguna, or Powermatic. I doubt it's going to be the Powermatic. I don't see spending the extra $500. The Jet and Laguna are priced similarly. Soooo. In the past most of my work was 90% commission. I did not want to buy S2S or rough cut and charge my customer to mill the material. There is not that much of a difference in price getting S4S if you consider time to sort and mill. I had a small jointer many years ago, Craftsman, and got rid if it many years ago. I currently have a Delta 15" stationary planer and is seldom use it to capacity especially with having a 22/44 drum sander. Now I want to use more exoctic/expensive woods that are absolutely less expensive in rough cut form. So back to a large 12" jointer/planer I went. I'll likely be selling the Delta. I don't want to wast any valuable floor space, although with the new machine in place I seem to have gotten some free extra space...... I have a 13" lunchbox planer that's done OK. I recently bought a 25/50 drum sander so I think I'm good there. I have a lot of lumber (ash and "sugar" maple) that's suspect. Most is finished S2S and that's being charitable. I'd like to use some more exotic stuff too but probably not that large. I have on old Crapsman that never worked all that well. I'll have to put it where I intend to put the RAS. That be wherever they take scrap. I kept mine to tie our Choc Lab to. It kept her from running off when she and I were working in the garage. She loved it out there especially when the planer buried her under the shavings. After her we got a Grate Dane. She was not that in to working in the garage. Too dusty and hot. LOL. Great dog though. She would not run off. Then I got rid of the jointer. I may settle for a 6" because of the weight of the 8". 600+ pounds is going to be difficult for me to moose into the basement. My lathe was about 450lbs but it came in pieces. The complication was that it was on my truck anf getting the bed and headstock off the truck was a trip. My bandsaw was similar weight but didn't have much trouble with it, though it tooks some engineerin. 600lbs just seems a reach to manage by myself. Haven't decided. My Jet is 600 lbs in it's excellent plywood crate, 500 out of the crate. And I have it on the Bora Portamate mobile base. I saw the base. I have my drill press and router table on a similar (though only two swivel wheels) Portamate. The local Woodcraft was blowing them out a couple of years ago for $50 each so I bought what they had (3). I still have one, not sure for what. I considered the 2 fixed/2 swivel wheel version but figured that with a heavy machine I would be better off not having to go back and forth to place it, vs push it in any direction. |
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On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:
A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want. Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want. For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's. Same with table tops. I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything. 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. |
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On 1/28/2021 11:19 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want.Â* Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want.Â* For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's.Â* Same with table tops.Â* I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything.Â* 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. I do 1/2" Baltic birch for drawers 98% of the time. As far as S4S is concerned, my local suppliers are very consistent with thickness, much more so than S2S and S2sR1. And yes, the planer is very useful for those odd sizes and or from rough cut to S2S. I do a lot of resawing of 4/4 I can get a nice thick veneer and 1/2" material from that. At Christmas I usually build boxes to give to friends and family. These, below were from scraps. The 2 strained boxes with veneered tops and bottoms were from S4S poplar 3/4" thick. A piece of 1x8 12" long build a box. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ The drum sander was very useful. |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:48:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/28/2021 11:19 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want.* Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want.* For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's.* Same with table tops.* I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything.* 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. I do 1/2" Baltic birch for drawers 98% of the time. As far as S4S is concerned, my local suppliers are very consistent with thickness, much more so than S2S and S2sR1. And yes, the planer is very useful for those odd sizes and or from rough cut to S2S. I do a lot of resawing of 4/4 I can get a nice thick veneer and 1/2" material from that. At Christmas I usually build boxes to give to friends and family. These, below were from scraps. The 2 strained boxes with veneered tops and bottoms were from S4S poplar 3/4" thick. A piece of 1x8 12" long build a box. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ The drum sander was very useful. My hope is that between a lunchbox planer (that I've had for years), bandsaw, and drum sander, I don't really need a larger planer. I'd like to have a jointer because a lot of wood I get has a lousy edge or is cupped. |
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On 1/28/2021 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:48:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/28/2021 11:19 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want.Â* Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want.Â* For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's.Â* Same with table tops.Â* I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything.Â* 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. I do 1/2" Baltic birch for drawers 98% of the time. As far as S4S is concerned, my local suppliers are very consistent with thickness, much more so than S2S and S2sR1. And yes, the planer is very useful for those odd sizes and or from rough cut to S2S. I do a lot of resawing of 4/4 I can get a nice thick veneer and 1/2" material from that. At Christmas I usually build boxes to give to friends and family. These, below were from scraps. The 2 strained boxes with veneered tops and bottoms were from S4S poplar 3/4" thick. A piece of 1x8 12" long build a box. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ The drum sander was very useful. My hope is that between a lunchbox planer (that I've had for years), bandsaw, and drum sander, I don't really need a larger planer. I'd like to have a jointer because a lot of wood I get has a lousy edge or is cupped. Yeah, I went with the combo to save space. The planer is handy to get the work to the correct thickness. If you need wider than the planer will handle, do the glue up of the correct thickness pieces and sand with the drum sander. I run into rough cut pieces often and like you I need to take care of that lousy edge. If I had more space I probably would have just gone with the jointer. BUT my planer raises the cutter head up and down and the motor is on top blocking easy access to get to the knives. So with helical I took care of that issue. |
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On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:19:30 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote:
On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want. Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want. For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's. Same with table tops. I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything. 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. I used a decent delta benchtop planer for years. It was slow and loud but worked. I ran across an opportunity to buy a used but well maintained powermatic 15" planer for $150. I put $300 worth of parts in it and it works like new. I never realized how great a hefty accurate planer could be. I love being able to quickly and reliably get exactly the thickness I need (as you pointed out). I think this planer may outlive me, so I am contemplating a helical head. For now, the knives are sharp and working fine. Bob |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:16:39 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/28/2021 2:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:48:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/28/2021 11:19 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want.* Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want.* For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's.* Same with table tops.* I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything.* 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. I do 1/2" Baltic birch for drawers 98% of the time. As far as S4S is concerned, my local suppliers are very consistent with thickness, much more so than S2S and S2sR1. And yes, the planer is very useful for those odd sizes and or from rough cut to S2S. I do a lot of resawing of 4/4 I can get a nice thick veneer and 1/2" material from that. At Christmas I usually build boxes to give to friends and family. These, below were from scraps. The 2 strained boxes with veneered tops and bottoms were from S4S poplar 3/4" thick. A piece of 1x8 12" long build a box. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/ The drum sander was very useful. My hope is that between a lunchbox planer (that I've had for years), bandsaw, and drum sander, I don't really need a larger planer. I'd like to have a jointer because a lot of wood I get has a lousy edge or is cupped. Yeah, I went with the combo to save space. The planer is handy to get the work to the correct thickness. If you need wider than the planer will handle, do the glue up of the correct thickness pieces and sand with the drum sander. I run into rough cut pieces often and like you I need to take care of that lousy edge. If I had more space I probably would have just gone with the jointer. BUT my planer raises the cutter head up and down and the motor is on top blocking easy access to get to the knives. So with helical I took care of that issue. Helical heads are definitely the way to go. They even have them for my Dewalt 735 but they cost as much as a new one. the whole thing isn't worth that much. |
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On 1/28/2021 7:01 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:19:30 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote: On 1/26/2021 3:15 PM, Leon wrote: A major bonus for me, not often mentioned is the chips from a segmented planer/jointer are really nice and small, making dust collection a breeze, with no clogs even from a weak system. For me, one of the nicest things about a planer is the ability to resaw/plane thick stuff to the size I want. Standard lumber is not always what I want, and hardwood almost never what I want. For example, for drawer's I never ever used 3/4" lumber other than on my first work bench. Drawer's are always 1/2 or 5/8" for me, and popular is good, but so is regular pine you get in all lumber yards. It is not easy or cheap to find 1/2" or 5/8" lumber for drawer's. Same with table tops. I don't want 1-1/2" tops on anything. 5/4 is common but is seldom available or cheap around here. It's also how you get exact thickness on all your parts. Commercial sizes always vary from piece to piece. I spent a lot of years using ugly sizes or spending extra money before I got the planer. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. I used a decent delta benchtop planer for years. It was slow and loud but worked. I ran across an opportunity to buy a used but well maintained powermatic 15" planer for $150. I put $300 worth of parts in it and it works like new. I never realized how great a hefty accurate planer could be. I love being able to quickly and reliably get exactly the thickness I need (as you pointed out). I think this planer may outlive me, so I am contemplating a helical head. For now, the knives are sharp and working fine. Bob I was not terribly unhappy with the 3 knives,on my planer, but a real PIA to take out and replace when they dull, the primary reason for going with helical. Secondary reason is the better cut, I hope. Still have not had time to clean/adjust/try out the new machine. |
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On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:30:05 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
I was not terribly unhappy with the 3 knives,on my planer, but a real PIA to take out and replace when they dull, the primary reason for going with helical. Secondary reason is the better cut, I hope. Still have not had time to clean/adjust/try out the new machine. I pulled the trigger on a new helical head today. I hope to be as satisfied with it as I am for the Joiner upgrade. Bob |
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On 1/29/2021 8:12 PM, Bob D wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:30:05 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: I was not terribly unhappy with the 3 knives,on my planer, but a real PIA to take out and replace when they dull, the primary reason for going with helical. Secondary reason is the better cut, I hope. Still have not had time to clean/adjust/try out the new machine. I pulled the trigger on a new helical head today. I hope to be as satisfied with it as I am for the Joiner upgrade. Bob I cracked open the owners manual of the new machine. Hummmm.. If the cutter head runs backwards reverse the wiring. I guess I need to take another look at the spin direction. ;~) It's quiet now, when it runs. I hope it is spinning clockwise. It might make more noise if I have to reverse the wiring. LOL We need pictures!!! |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
: I cracked open the owners manual of the new machine. Hummmm.. If the cutter head runs backwards reverse the wiring. I guess I need to take another look at the spin direction. ;~) It's quiet now, when it runs. I hope it is spinning clockwise. It might make more noise if I have to reverse the wiring. LOL We need pictures!!! If you're not sure it's running the correct direction, just measure the board. If it's thicker than when you put it in, you know it's going in reverse! Puckdropper |
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On 1/30/2021 2:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in : I cracked open the owners manual of the new machine. Hummmm.. If the cutter head runs backwards reverse the wiring. I guess I need to take another look at the spin direction. ;~) It's quiet now, when it runs. I hope it is spinning clockwise. It might make more noise if I have to reverse the wiring. LOL We need pictures!!! If you're not sure it's running the correct direction, just measure the board. If it's thicker than when you put it in, you know it's going in reverse! Puckdropper Well that may a cool feature!!! I often need to make a board wider and thicker too. ;~) |
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:23:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/30/2021 2:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in : I cracked open the owners manual of the new machine. Hummmm.. If the cutter head runs backwards reverse the wiring. I guess I need to take another look at the spin direction. ;~) It's quiet now, when it runs. I hope it is spinning clockwise. It might make more noise if I have to reverse the wiring. LOL We need pictures!!! If you're not sure it's running the correct direction, just measure the board. If it's thicker than when you put it in, you know it's going in reverse! Puckdropper Well that may a cool feature!!! I often need to make a board wider and thicker too. ;~) Whadya mean you can't cut a board longer. |
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