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Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

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On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

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I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25 of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each, she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living room because they are so bright.. If you don't want to put new lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are. Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the good bright bulbs back in.
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On 8/31/2020 2:20 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

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Go with dimmable LED lights.
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On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25 of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each, she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living room because they are so bright. If you don't want to put new lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are. Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the good bright bulbs back in.


That is a possibility. Bright in the living room is not better though.
Reading lights or a warm light while watching TV makes more sense. I'd
find out for sure what she wants before changing things.


Spousal survival 101--make _sure_ you understand what she likes about
the lighting in the garage. Don't assume that you know.


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On 8/31/2020 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife
as I'm thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you
can't have nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living
room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the
living room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they
are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because
they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25
of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each,
she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living
room because they are so bright. If you don't want to put new
lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim
bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are.
Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the
good bright bulbs back in.


That is a possibility. Bright in the living room is not better
though. Reading lights or a warm light while watching TV makes more
sense. I'd find out for sure what she wants before changing things.


Good point. I wonder if I can temporarily mount a fixture somehow to see
how the lights will look when on. We desperately need more light in the
room, but I'm not sure how much. If I do two fixtures, I'll split the
room in half but if I do 4 fixtures I'll have to split it into 3rds.

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On 8/31/2020 2:20 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife
as I'm thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you
can't have nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the
living room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


Go with dimmable LED lights.


I'm loving the integrated LED fixtures. The light seems to be very even
without being a bright point source. Not all are dimmable, but I'm sure
many of them are.

My experience has been that dimmers are usually full on or full off anyway,
so spending extra for them doesn't make sense.

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Just Wondering wrote in :

On 8/31/2020 2:20 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife
as I'm thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you
can't have nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the
living room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


Go with dimmable LED lights.


I'm loving the integrated LED fixtures. The light seems to be very even
without being a bright point source. Not all are dimmable, but I'm sure
many of them are.

My experience has been that dimmers are usually full on or full off anyway,
so spending extra for them doesn't make sense.

Puckdropper


Dimmable LED's and LED dimmers can be quite an adventure.

Many LED's flicker when dimmed beyond a certain level. Some people notice
the flickering more than others. I am very sensitive to the flickering and
notice it right away.

They make dimmers specifically for LED's that are supposed to help eliminate
the flickering.

Some LED dimmers have 2 controls, one internal and one external. You adjust
the internal slider (behind the switch plate) to dim the fixture to the
lowest setting before the flickering starts. Then when you use the external
control, the lowest setting will only dim the fixture to the brightness set
by the internal slider.

It works, but I have a fixture in one bathroom that forces me to use a
minimum setting that is brighter than I would like it to be. However, I have
a fixture in another bathroom where the same style dimmer dims the fixture
to almost off with no flickering. It has to be the fixtures themselves.

BTW...many of the slider dimmers have an On-Off switch so you can pick a
brightness with the slider and then use the switch to always maintain that
brightness. In my main bathroom, I usually dim the light before I go to bed
and then turn it off. That way, when I get up in the middle of the night, I
can use the switch and not get blasted by bright lights.
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Just Wondering wrote in :

On 8/31/2020 2:20 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife
as I'm thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you
can't have nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the
living room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


Go with dimmable LED lights.


I'm loving the integrated LED fixtures. The light seems to be very even
without being a bright point source. Not all are dimmable, but I'm sure
many of them are.

My experience has been that dimmers are usually full on or full off anyway,
so spending extra for them doesn't make sense.


Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.
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J. Clarke writes:
Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.


"Fancy lighting" means that if the internet goes down you can't turn
your lights on or off...


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On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:37:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/31/2020 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper


I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25 of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each, she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living room because they are so bright. If you don't want to put new lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are. Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the good bright bulbs back in.


That is a possibility. Bright in the living room is not better though.
Reading lights or a warm light while watching TV makes more sense. I'd
find out for sure what she wants before changing things.


For the living room, you will not want the bluish light common in
shops - far too harsh. My wife likes the ~3000 K LEDs with very high
Color Rendition Index (CRI), so colors don't look wierd. She hates
the shop light look.

As other have mentioned, most home-use LEDs don't dim well or at all.
For applications where dimming is essential, I stick with
incandescent.

Industrial overhead LED lamp units can be fully dimmable.

For navigation to the bathroom at night, I use a LED based nightlinght
that turns off when the room is already lit.

Joe Gwinn
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DJ Delorie wrote in :

J. Clarke writes:
Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.


"Fancy lighting" means that if the internet goes down you can't turn
your lights on or off...


It also means I can adjust the lights in a room I'm not in, at a house I'm
not at, in town I'm far away from, to light a path I can't traverse.

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On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 3:33:16 PM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
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J. Clarke writes:
Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.


"Fancy lighting" means that if the internet goes down you can't turn
your lights on or off...


It also means I can adjust the lights in a room I'm not in, at a house I'm
not at, in town I'm far away from, to light a path I can't traverse.

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Yeah, I can see that.
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On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 12:49:48 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:

J. Clarke writes:
Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.


"Fancy lighting" means that if the internet goes down you can't turn
your lights on or off...


Why not? You don't need "the internet" unless you've done something
boneheaded in your network setup. You do need access to the hub,
which is over your local network.
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On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 13:22:41 -0400, Joe Gwinn
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:37:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/31/2020 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife as I'm
thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you can't have
nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the living
room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper

I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25 of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each, she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living room because they are so bright. If you don't want to put new lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are. Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the good bright bulbs back in.


That is a possibility. Bright in the living room is not better though.
Reading lights or a warm light while watching TV makes more sense. I'd
find out for sure what she wants before changing things.


For the living room, you will not want the bluish light common in
shops - far too harsh. My wife likes the ~3000 K LEDs with very high
Color Rendition Index (CRI), so colors don't look wierd. She hates
the shop light look.

As other have mentioned, most home-use LEDs don't dim well or at all.
For applications where dimming is essential, I stick with
incandescent.

Industrial overhead LED lamp units can be fully dimmable.

For navigation to the bathroom at night, I use a LED based nightlinght
that turns off when the room is already lit.

Joe Gwinn

We have dimmable 5k to 6K LEDs throughout the house. Don't have
fimmers on all of them but I use dimmable bulbs everywhere for
consistancy (except for the flourescent tube replacements) The only
non LEDs I have left are decor bulbs in the bathroom - and they will
be replaced with LEDs when the next bulb blows as I have no more
"spares". The price and availability of the specialty LEDs gets better
by the month.


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On 9/1/2020 1:38 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
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On 8/31/2020 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:20:54 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Got some new lights wired up in the garage. I show them to my wife
as I'm thinking of buying more for the basement, and she says "you
can't have nicer lights in the garage than I have in my living
room."

Now she's encouraging me to buy more lights so I can brighten up the
living room. I sure didn't expect that. :-)

Puckdropper

I'm guessing your wife said "nicer lights in the garage" because they
are BRIGHTER than the ones in the living room. Not really because
they are fancier or more elegant or whatever. I bet if you put up 25
of those single bulb basement lights and had a 100 watt bulb in each,
she would still say they are nicer in your garage than your living
room because they are so bright. If you don't want to put new
lights, brighter lights, in the living room, you could put really dim
bad bulbs in the garage lights. Show her how unbright they are.
Then in a month or so she will forget about it and you can put the
good bright bulbs back in.


That is a possibility. Bright in the living room is not better
though. Reading lights or a warm light while watching TV makes more
sense. I'd find out for sure what she wants before changing things.


Good point. I wonder if I can temporarily mount a fixture somehow to see
how the lights will look when on. We desperately need more light in the
room, but I'm not sure how much. If I do two fixtures, I'll split the
room in half but if I do 4 fixtures I'll have to split it into 3rds.

Puckdropper


Also, review what you do in that room. If at times your wife does some
crafts she may want a bright light where she is working but later wants
a softer light for conversation with guests.

My preference in a living room is lamps with shades that soften the
light or a torch light in a corner. Bright ceiling fixtures are great
in the kitchen, not so good elsewhere. Dimmable is nice too.

Don't forget color temperature too.
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On 9/1/2020 12:49 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
J. Clarke writes:
Is 21st century. "Fancy lighting" means that you can individually
dim, brighten, or set the color of any single bulb in the system, even
if they are all in the same fixture.


"Fancy lighting" means that if the internet goes down you can't turn
your lights on or off...


Oh ma, tht is terrible. Last week I'm laying in bed and say "Alexa,
turn off bedroom" and nothing happened. That lamp is on the other side
of the bed so I thought I'd have to walk all the way around to pull the
chain. It was terrifying but it came back on in a few minutes. Close
call.
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Also, review what you do in that room. If at times your wife does
some crafts she may want a bright light where she is working but later
wants a softer light for conversation with guests.

My preference in a living room is lamps with shades that soften the
light or a torch light in a corner. Bright ceiling fixtures are great
in the kitchen, not so good elsewhere. Dimmable is nice too.

Don't forget color temperature too.


At the moment, a single light behind the couch would be a tremendous
improvement. It's a long room so it's actually been broken into two rooms
with furniture. There's a good 8 feet behind the couch that's in the dark.

It's just the opportunity cost is so low to put in the second light...
probably be another hour total so I'm just debating which way to go.

Puckdropper
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