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On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:57:43 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 12:24:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: Dad had an office built for my sister which was "a trailer". Hitch, Axle, the whole megillah. Thus "removable". That it was embedded in the concrete deck was a minor issue. I'm figuring "post & beam" means that it is "portable" (for some values). (I have this idea to run a steel I-beams crosswise under the wooden beams, attach a "wheel unit" at each end, and roll it "over there".. Plan B would make 4 robots to pick up each end of the beam and "hup, hup, hup!" walk it to "over there". With the proper modifications, could convert a Shipping Container into a travel Cottage, and the 'bots could take it off the truck and place it on the camp site. Vary the Livery on said bots and I have guards / servants / minions standing watch. BWahahahaha!) When I was in college, we owned a mobile home. According to state law, as long as we kept the hitch and wheels on it, it was considered personal property not real property, so wasn't taxed. BIG savings at a time when I had no money. We figured that it averaged $106/mo (IIRC); a lot less than any apartment in the area (it was a while ago ;-) I bought a manufactured home. Part of the inspection was recording that yes, there were no wheels attached. I assume the property was zoned single family residential. Trailers are usually barred from such areas (property values and all that). I lived there for almost 8 years, and sold it "at a loss". But I no longer had that as a line item in my budget. OTOH, there was no way I could have found an apartment for $750 a month. We sold ours at a loss too. Trailers (AKA mobile homes) are next to worthless, used. |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 02:31:47 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:10:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:18:01 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: That's only one of the problems living in a totalitarian city. Where I've lived, they want an inspection when a building permit is needed but otherwise it's not needed for electrical work. There is no need for licensed electricians, either, as long as you're doing the work for yourself. I've added, I think, eight circuits (two 240V) for my shop. Unfinished basements are a big advantage. ;-) I'm surprised that any jurisdiction allows that sort of electrical work - without inspection. What the city doesn't know about,the city doesn't know about. ... does your home insurance company feel the same ? Same goes for the insurance co. I'm not saying it is a wise idea, but not everybody without a State Issued Certification is a fumbled fingered idiot. (And there are some people I'd rather have do the work, than trust some random guy with the certificate.) The annoying thing is having to go through after the random guy with the certificate and FIX everything that he messed up. Fix what? Messed up what? Residential electrical work isn't rocket surgery, unless you live in Chicago, where everything needs to be in thin-wall conduit, even if buried in the walls. I guess they think that'll protect the wiring against random bullets. |
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:38:00 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It is called "working with the rules". Friend retired to Greece, got a house built there. Because of the way the code was written, he got "final inspection" once the walls were up. Before power and water, and windows, doors, and possibly the roof were installed. And his house was appraised as such, which set his property taxes. Then he went and did such finishing touched as putting in the windows, putting down flooring, adding lights and electricity . .. I also recall seeing houses with rebar sticking up out of the top wall. Because that way the house was "unfinished" and thus taxed at a lower rate. Lots of design features which have their roots in avoiding tax. That's not "avoiding" tax. That's called "evading" tax and is generally illegal, often criminal. I do believe that it was Justice Holmes who did point out that no man is obligated to arraign his affairs for the benefit of the tax man. I forget who said that the avoidance of tax is possible the only intellectual exercise which has a real return. As I said stated above:"It is called "working with the rules".". No, what you describe above is not "working within the rules". It's busting them all to hell. The Rules do not allow A, but do allow X. And how is X defined? Laws clearly define such things. If the building was inspected when it was incomplete, it needs to be inspected when it is complete, if for no other reason that you've improved it (increased its value). Try this and, at a minimum, you may have to take out another building permit. You may not get a CO, either, since the building is incomplete. If you're working with the building inspector on this, it's plain out and out fraud, probably conspiracy too. Then that is how you present the situation so as to count as an X, and not an A. It is not a forbidden "dock". It is a "wildlife observation platform." It is not a Second floor, but an attic. An incomplete house is not subject to the same taxes as a completed house. But you can't generally move into an incomplete house. Most jurisdictions have a concept of a "certificate of occupancy" that means all health and safety stuff is in there (and it's been recorded at the tax assessor's office). I have been told that Hughes Aircraft has small truck farm on one of their properties. That makes the property "agricultural" and not "Commercial" for tax purposes. Hobby farms do that all the time but on a scale like that, I doubt it highly. Zoning, alone, would probably make that impossible. Ask any accountant about the _legal_ ways to not show a profit. (Did you know that Star Wars has yet to show a profit, on paper? Of course. It's rare that a movie makes a "profit". Bill and Hill's foundation doesn't make a "profit" either. So those actors who got a percent of the net profits are out of luck. You want a percent of the gross.) Their agents aren't that stupid anymore. And so on and so forth. You are not obligated to conduct your business for the benefit of the tax man. Certainly but you can't break the law while doing it, either. There is a difference between "avoidance" (perfectly legitimate, and some would say it's an obligation) and "evasion" (a criminal offence and highly frowned upon). What you describe is clearly the latter. But be that as it may, I take it then that you are not one to evade your taxes by taking any deductions? Oh, good grief! Do you really not know the difference? |
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:46:45 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's a lot easier to move a mouse than to move a jointer! Yep. Although I'm old school. Shapes (to scale) cut from graph paper, moved around a drawing of the room/space. Of late, I have done the "furniture/object" is N inches (round up), and that adds up to (punch Calculator) __ leaving enough room for that to fit there, and gappage between things because you never know. Then draft them up on the Rotring board. Yeah, some day I will have to learn Sketchup or equivalent. OTOH, for me, I don't need precise drawings, just some idea of what it is I intend to do. Sketchup is a must. It's overkill for laying out a room, though I recently used it for laying out (really, thinking though) a beam to put a hoist on in my shop. It's 13' between walls, which makes the beam layout[*] a bit important (The Sagulator helped a lot too ;-) Sketchup is a must have for woodworking, IMO. [*] Twin double 2x8s bolted together with the hoist suspended on a couple of pieces of 2x2x3/16" angle iron spanning the top of the beams. When I get to the point I need something serious detailed, then some CAD will be in the works. As I said when I started the retraining program: last time I was 'drafting' it was all pencil and paper. "Computer Aided Drafting" was SCi-Fi and probably meant we'd have robots doing the final inking. Sketchup is not CAD. It's a modeling program. If you go into it thinking it's CAD, you'll *never* pick it up. The process is backwards. The advantage to CAD is revisions. I don't have to redraw the entire plan just to move a hole an inch. Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right? |
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"John Grossbohlin" on Mon, 6
Jul 2020 16:08:34 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message .. . I have two sliding window panels (the remains of an 8 foot wide five foot high unit. sort of like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/JELD-WEN-95-5-in-x-47-5-in-V-2500-Series-White-Vinyl-Universal-Reversible-Sliding-Window-with-Fiberglass-Mesh-Screen-Sierra-2VSLD-8040/202035708) height, and the bench top is at 30 inches. That will provide ventilation under the bench.) You will have no ventilation... if you remove the center fixed window there is no place for the sliding side lights to slide... See the photo in the ad with the side light open... it slides across the face of the fixed center window. I know that. Which is why I have been designing a replacement frame for the lights (thank you for that term.) That said, the best you can do is have two fixed windows. If ventilation is desired you will need to rethink recycling those side lights I did. Several times. Originally, there was a panel in a fame, and it could roll /slide back and forth into a pocket in the wall. Rev 2 had one panel fixed, and other sliding in front of it. (Or on the inside side.) Rev 3 is to go buy a smaller complete window second hand, and install that. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 23:23:32 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:54:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:38:00 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It is called "working with the rules". Friend retired to Greece, got a house built there. Because of the way the code was written, he got "final inspection" once the walls were up. Before power and water, and windows, doors, and possibly the roof were installed. And his house was appraised as such, which set his property taxes. Then he went and did such finishing touched as putting in the windows, putting down flooring, adding lights and electricity . .. I also recall seeing houses with rebar sticking up out of the top wall. Because that way the house was "unfinished" and thus taxed at a lower rate. Lots of design features which have their roots in avoiding tax. That's not "avoiding" tax. That's called "evading" tax and is generally illegal, often criminal. I do believe that it was Justice Holmes who did point out that no man is obligated to arraign his affairs for the benefit of the tax man. I forget who said that the avoidance of tax is possible the only intellectual exercise which has a real return. As I said stated above:"It is called "working with the rules".". No, what you describe above is not "working within the rules". It's busting them all to hell. The Rules do not allow A, but do allow X. And how is X defined? Laws clearly define such things. If the building was inspected when it was incomplete, it needs to be inspected when it is complete, Did you notice that his building was in GREECE? And that he had his building inspected _according to the law of the land_? And that was the Practice of the Country in which his residence was being built? if for no other reason that you've improved it (increased its value). Try this and, at a minimum, you may have to take out another building permit. If you do this in California, I'm sure. But if you haven't noticed, Greece is not California. You may not get a CO, either, since the building is incomplete. If you're working with the building inspector on this, it's plain out and out fraud, probably conspiracy too. Then that is how you present the situation so as to count as an X, and not an A. It is not a forbidden "dock". It is a "wildlife observation platform." It is not a Second floor, but an attic. An incomplete house is not subject to the same taxes as a completed house. But you can't generally move into an incomplete house. Define "incomplete"! These buildings are considered incomplete by the law of the land. Take it up with the Romans if you don't like it. By law, if a house was constructed overnight, it was illegal to remove it. And lo, one morning on my way to school, I saw a "new" house where there had been a corner in the wall the day before. Now, I realize it did not meet the US Housing code, but so what? Under Turkish law going back to the Ottomans (or earlier) it was legit. Most jurisdictions have a concept of a "certificate of occupancy" that means all health and safety stuff is in there (and it's been recorded at the tax assessor's office). And most jurisdictions are not the United States. Pay attention. I have been told that Hughes Aircraft has small truck farm on one of their properties. That makes the property "agricultural" and not "Commercial" for tax purposes. Hobby farms do that all the time but on a scale like that, I doubt it highly. Zoning, alone, would probably make that impossible. Try again. When Hughes bought the property, he was allowed to build buildings on it, but at least between 1 and 5 acres had to remain cultivated for it to qualify as a "farm". That was the law, that was what he did, he had a five acre farm with some outbuildings. Ask any accountant about the _legal_ ways to not show a profit. (Did you know that Star Wars has yet to show a profit, on paper? Of course. It's rare that a movie makes a "profit". Bill and Hill's foundation doesn't make a "profit" either. And yet you ramble on about how the law must be followed, or else. So those actors who got a percent of the net profits are out of luck. You want a percent of the gross.) Their agents aren't that stupid anymore. And so on and so forth. You are not obligated to conduct your business for the benefit of the tax man. Certainly but you can't break the law while doing it, either. There is a difference between "avoidance" (perfectly legitimate, and some would say it's an obligation) and "evasion" (a criminal offence and highly frowned upon). What you describe is clearly the latter. So complying with the letter of the law is violating the law???? But be that as it may, I take it then that you are not one to evade your taxes by taking any deductions? Oh, good grief! Do you really not know the difference? Yes I do. But you do seem to be the one who will conduct your business so as to benefit the tax man. granted it is your money, so it is your choice. Do you pay MSRP? (Manufacturers Suggest Retail Price) What you seem to be unable to grasp is that conforming to the letter of the law is an old practice And the customs of your town are not universal laws. So have a nice day, and don't break any of the federal or state tax laws. Or violate code, either. You better check in and make sure that everything you do doesn't violate a law, regulation, or departmental rule. And good luck with that. I doubt that a Supreme Court justice can be _certain_ that he isn't violating some law, regulation, or rule when he goes about his daily affairs. Of course if it comes to be a real issue he can get his buddies together and change the law (my father had a probably apocryphal story about Harvey Firestone and five Justices getting stopped in a speed trap by some local yokel cop, which did not go well for the cop). |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 23:23:32 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:58:46 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:46:45 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's a lot easier to move a mouse than to move a jointer! Yep. Although I'm old school. Shapes (to scale) cut from graph paper, moved around a drawing of the room/space. Of late, I have done the "furniture/object" is N inches (round up), and that adds up to (punch Calculator) __ leaving enough room for that to fit there, and gappage between things because you never know. Then draft them up on the Rotring board. Yeah, some day I will have to learn Sketchup or equivalent. OTOH, for me, I don't need precise drawings, just some idea of what it is I intend to do. Sketchup is a must. It's overkill for laying out a room, though I recently used it for laying out (really, thinking though) a beam to put a hoist on in my shop. It's 13' between walls, which makes the beam layout[*] a bit important (The Sagulator helped a lot too ;-) Sketchup is a must have for woodworking, IMO. [*] Twin double 2x8s bolted together with the hoist suspended on a couple of pieces of 2x2x3/16" angle iron spanning the top of the beams. When I get to the point I need something serious detailed, then some CAD will be in the works. As I said when I started the retraining program: last time I was 'drafting' it was all pencil and paper. "Computer Aided Drafting" was SCi-Fi and probably meant we'd have robots doing the final inking. Sketchup is not CAD. It's a modeling program. If you go into it thinking it's CAD, you'll *never* pick it up. The process is backwards. Whatever it is, so far, it hasn't interested me enough to look into. Some people pick up software easily. not my forte. I don't either and have to get into the head of the developer before I can pick it up. I started with Sketchup a number of times, each time thinking it was a CAD program. I think it was someone here who told me to look at it from the opposite side. Draw things first, then get the dimensions of all the parts. It's really a 3D drawing program. The advantage to CAD is revisions. I don't have to redraw the entire plan just to move a hole an inch. Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right? Says so, right on my text books. You shouldn't have to "redraw" anything to move a hole. |
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On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:41:00 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 21:33:40 -0500, Markem wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:41:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 02:31:47 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:10:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:18:01 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: That's only one of the problems living in a totalitarian city. Where I've lived, they want an inspection when a building permit is needed but otherwise it's not needed for electrical work. There is no need for licensed electricians, either, as long as you're doing the work for yourself. I've added, I think, eight circuits (two 240V) for my shop. Unfinished basements are a big advantage. ;-) I'm surprised that any jurisdiction allows that sort of electrical work - without inspection. What the city doesn't know about,the city doesn't know about. ... does your home insurance company feel the same ? Same goes for the insurance co. I'm not saying it is a wise idea, but not everybody without a State Issued Certification is a fumbled fingered idiot. (And there are some people I'd rather have do the work, than trust some random guy with the certificate.) The annoying thing is having to go through after the random guy with the certificate and FIX everything that he messed up. Fix what? Messed up what? Residential electrical work isn't rocket surgery, unless you live in Chicago, where everything needs to be in thin-wall conduit, even if buried in the walls. I guess they think that'll protect the wiring against random bullets. Nah goes back to 1871. Or maybe it was the electrians union and the NEC playing upon that fear. No, using it as an excuse for graft. Welcome to the Machine. |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 23:23:32 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:54:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: .... I do believe that it was Justice Holmes who did point out that no man is obligated to arraign his affairs for the benefit of the tax man. I forget who said that the avoidance of tax is possible the only intellectual exercise which has a real return. As I said stated above:"It is called "working with the rules".". No, what you describe above is not "working within the rules". It's busting them all to hell. The Rules do not allow A, but do allow X. And how is X defined? Laws clearly define such things. If the building was inspected when it was incomplete, it needs to be inspected when it is complete, Did you notice that his building was in GREECE? And that he had his building inspected _according to the law of the land_? And that was the Practice of the Country in which his residence was being built? Are *YOU* in Greece? You're the one who's talking nonsense. if for no other reason that you've improved it (increased its value). Try this and, at a minimum, you may have to take out another building permit. If you do this in California, I'm sure. But if you haven't noticed, Greece is not California. I'm talking to *YOU*, in case you didn't notice. I'm disputing your position. You may not get a CO, either, since the building is incomplete. If you're working with the building inspector on this, it's plain out and out fraud, probably conspiracy too. Then that is how you present the situation so as to count as an X, and not an A. It is not a forbidden "dock". It is a "wildlife observation platform." It is not a Second floor, but an attic. An incomplete house is not subject to the same taxes as a completed house. But you can't generally move into an incomplete house. Define "incomplete"! No CO, which usually includes, but not limited to heat, water, electricity, as well as things like fire/CO alarms, and often a stove. These buildings are considered incomplete by the law of the land. Take it up with the Romans if you don't like it. Let me ask again. Are *YOU* in Greece? By law, if a house was constructed overnight, it was illegal to remove it. And lo, one morning on my way to school, I saw a "new" house where there had been a corner in the wall the day before. Now, I realize it did not meet the US Housing code, but so what? Under Turkish law going back to the Ottomans (or earlier) it was legit. You move your house from Greece to Turkey in one night? Most jurisdictions have a concept of a "certificate of occupancy" that means all health and safety stuff is in there (and it's been recorded at the tax assessor's office). And most jurisdictions are not the United States. Pay attention. Once again. ARE YOU IN GREECE? I'm sure that bribing local officers of the state is illegal in Greece, too. Perhaps it's normal but that doesn't say it's legal. I have been told that Hughes Aircraft has small truck farm on one of their properties. That makes the property "agricultural" and not "Commercial" for tax purposes. Hobby farms do that all the time but on a scale like that, I doubt it highly. Zoning, alone, would probably make that impossible. Try again. When Hughes bought the property, he was allowed to build buildings on it, but at least between 1 and 5 acres had to remain cultivated for it to qualify as a "farm". That was the law, that was what he did, he had a five acre farm with some outbuildings. Not buying it. Even you weren't sure of the facts. Citation required for incredible claims. Ask any accountant about the _legal_ ways to not show a profit. (Did you know that Star Wars has yet to show a profit, on paper? Of course. It's rare that a movie makes a "profit". Bill and Hill's foundation doesn't make a "profit" either. And yet you ramble on about how the law must be followed, or else. Idiot. They *ARE* following the law. They have a thousand attorneys making sure they're following the law. So those actors who got a percent of the net profits are out of luck. You want a percent of the gross.) Their agents aren't that stupid anymore. And so on and so forth. You are not obligated to conduct your business for the benefit of the tax man. Certainly but you can't break the law while doing it, either. There is a difference between "avoidance" (perfectly legitimate, and some would say it's an obligation) and "evasion" (a criminal offence and highly frowned upon). What you describe is clearly the latter. So complying with the letter of the law is violating the law???? Tax evasion is against the law, yes. Yes, violating the letter of the law is against the law. boggle? But be that as it may, I take it then that you are not one to evade your taxes by taking any deductions? Oh, good grief! Do you really not know the difference? Yes I do. But you do seem to be the one who will conduct your business so as to benefit the tax man. granted it is your money, so it is your choice. Do you pay MSRP? (Manufacturers Suggest Retail Price) You really can't read, can you? What you seem to be unable to grasp is that conforming to the letter of the law is an old practice And the customs of your town are not universal laws. Being thrown in prison is an old practice, too. Yes, it's illegal to evade taxes in my town, and I'll bet it is in yours, too. So have a nice day, and don't break any of the federal or state tax laws. Or violate code, either. You better check in and make sure that everything you do doesn't violate a law, regulation, or departmental rule. I try not to. It's a good way to live life. |
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:46:45 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's a lot easier to move a mouse than to move a jointer! Yep. Although I'm old school. Shapes (to scale) cut from graph paper, moved around a drawing of the room/space. Of late, I have done the "furniture/object" is N inches (round up), and that adds up to (punch Calculator) __ leaving enough room for that to fit there, and gappage between things because you never know. Then draft them up on the Rotring board. Yeah, some day I will have to learn Sketchup or equivalent. OTOH, for me, I don't need precise drawings, just some idea of what it is I intend to do. Sketchup is a must. It's overkill for laying out a room, though I recently used it for laying out (really, thinking though) a beam to put a hoist on in my shop. It's 13' between walls, which makes the beam layout[*] a bit important (The Sagulator helped a lot too ;-) Sketchup is a must have for woodworking, IMO. [*] Twin double 2x8s bolted together with the hoist suspended on a couple of pieces of 2x2x3/16" angle iron spanning the top of the beams. When I get to the point I need something serious detailed, then some CAD will be in the works. As I said when I started the retraining program: last time I was 'drafting' it was all pencil and paper. "Computer Aided Drafting" was SCi-Fi and probably meant we'd have robots doing the final inking. Sketchup is not CAD. It's a modeling program. If you go into it thinking it's CAD, you'll *never* pick it up. The process is backwards. The advantage to CAD is revisions. I don't have to redraw the entire plan just to move a hole an inch. Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right? LOL, I learned drafting when I "was" going to be an architect, early 70's. So assuming CAD being better than actual drawings, we used an eraser if we needed to revise a drawing, certainly not starting the whole drawing over. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:51:20 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following: On 7/6/2020 5:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:03:16 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:46:45 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's a lot easier to move a mouse than to move a jointer! Yep. Although I'm old school. Shapes (to scale) cut from graph paper, moved around a drawing of the room/space. Of late, I have done the "furniture/object" is N inches (round up), and that adds up to (punch Calculator) __ leaving enough room for that to fit there, and gappage between things because you never know. Then draft them up on the Rotring board. Yeah, some day I will have to learn Sketchup or equivalent. OTOH, for me, I don't need precise drawings, just some idea of what it is I intend to do. Sketchup is a must. It's overkill for laying out a room, though I recently used it for laying out (really, thinking though) a beam to put a hoist on in my shop. It's 13' between walls, which makes the beam layout[*] a bit important (The Sagulator helped a lot too ;-) Sketchup is a must have for woodworking, IMO. [*] Twin double 2x8s bolted together with the hoist suspended on a couple of pieces of 2x2x3/16" angle iron spanning the top of the beams. When I get to the point I need something serious detailed, then some CAD will be in the works. As I said when I started the retraining program: last time I was 'drafting' it was all pencil and paper. "Computer Aided Drafting" was SCi-Fi and probably meant we'd have robots doing the final inking. Sketchup is not CAD. It's a modeling program. If you go into it thinking it's CAD, you'll *never* pick it up. The process is backwards. The advantage to CAD is revisions. I don't have to redraw the entire plan just to move a hole an inch. Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right? LOL, I learned drafting when I "was" going to be an architect, early 70's. So assuming CAD being better than actual drawings, we used an eraser if we needed to revise a drawing, certainly not starting the whole drawing over. So did I, so do I "so let it be." But maybe there was something about erasing ink that wasn't covered in my class. I dunno. Nothing like noticing that this work order is Rev D, the next work order in the queue is Rev C, and the actual program in the machine is for Rev E? "Um, Boss, is this going to be a problem?" Or the time that I saw that this line of holes is missing one of the location dimensions. "Anywhere on the part , just 2.375 inches from the other one." Or the time, first day on the job, guy I'm working with see the part is out of straightness. Goes to get the gizmo. I'm waiting, reading the work order. He gets back and I ask "Uh, it says here, that after this procedure, not to do whatever it is you have in mind. Is that going to be a problem?" Getting cross trained CAD after being a machinist was fun. I think. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:57:54 -0500, Markem
wrote: On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:41:00 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 21:33:40 -0500, Markem wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:41:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 02:31:47 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:10:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:18:01 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: That's only one of the problems living in a totalitarian city. Where I've lived, they want an inspection when a building permit is needed but otherwise it's not needed for electrical work. There is no need for licensed electricians, either, as long as you're doing the work for yourself. I've added, I think, eight circuits (two 240V) for my shop. Unfinished basements are a big advantage. ;-) I'm surprised that any jurisdiction allows that sort of electrical work - without inspection. What the city doesn't know about,the city doesn't know about. ... does your home insurance company feel the same ? Same goes for the insurance co. I'm not saying it is a wise idea, but not everybody without a State Issued Certification is a fumbled fingered idiot. (And there are some people I'd rather have do the work, than trust some random guy with the certificate.) The annoying thing is having to go through after the random guy with the certificate and FIX everything that he messed up. Fix what? Messed up what? Residential electrical work isn't rocket surgery, unless you live in Chicago, where everything needs to be in thin-wall conduit, even if buried in the walls. I guess they think that'll protect the wiring against random bullets. Nah goes back to 1871. Or maybe it was the electrians union and the NEC playing upon that fear. No, using it as an excuse for graft. Welcome to the Machine. Exactly. That's why I don't live in a fascist state, like Illinois, anymore. |
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On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:14:36 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:54:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: But be that as it may, I take it then that you are not one to evade your taxes by taking any deductions? Oh, good grief! Do you really not know the difference? Look up the Luxury Tax Act of 1991. Great idea, add a 10% surcharge on boats over $100,000. Would be a real revenue generator. And that's relevant how? For some reason, if failed to bring in all that much money, and two years later it was repealed, due to the lack of jobs, and the closing of boat building yards. Why? Because people do not have to conduct their business so as benefit the tax man. While US yards were closing due to lack of work, the Canadian yards 200 miles to the north were booked solid. And that's relevant how? Now, I'm sure that you'd be willing to chose a US yard, never mind that it is a minimum of 10% more expensive. Because after all, apparently to you "avoiding tax" is the same as "evading". And you wouldn't want to "evade" any taxes, right? And that's relevant how? |
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 12:35:37 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:46:41 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: Whatever it is, so far, it hasn't interested me enough to look into. Some people pick up software easily. not my forte. I don't either and have to get into the head of the developer before I can pick it up. I started with Sketchup a number of times, each time thinking it was a CAD program. I think it was someone here who told me to look at it from the opposite side. Draw things first, then get the dimensions of all the parts. It's really a 3D drawing program. So I do the drawing on paper, and port it to the program. Hmm, maybe I can make it work. That's nuts. Use the program for what it's designed for. 3D drawing. The advantage to CAD is revisions. I don't have to redraw the entire plan just to move a hole an inch. Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right? Says so, right on my text books. You shouldn't have to "redraw" anything to move a hole. If you have a paper & ink drawing, revisions required the entire thing be redrawn and re inked. Because what is on the drawing is the legal definition of the part. I know that Boeing issues "notifications" which are to amend / clarify a portion of a drawing, but at one level, that is dumb. I have waded through masses of paper to see if there is a reason why the part I have in hand, which does not match the drawing I'm seeing, "is in spec." So why do you do it? Fnord - last run of an extruded part, and the extrusion doesn't match the drawing. Off by "that much" which is way out of tolerance. Oy. So much for the rest of the shift. Different issue. Sketchup would be *perfect* for designing extrusions. Draw the cross section and pull it in the 'Z' direction. |
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 21:48:11 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:57:54 -0500, Markem wrote: On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:41:00 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 21:33:40 -0500, Markem wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:41:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 02:31:47 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 14:10:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:18:01 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: That's only one of the problems living in a totalitarian city. Where I've lived, they want an inspection when a building permit is needed but otherwise it's not needed for electrical work. There is no need for licensed electricians, either, as long as you're doing the work for yourself. I've added, I think, eight circuits (two 240V) for my shop. Unfinished basements are a big advantage. ;-) I'm surprised that any jurisdiction allows that sort of electrical work - without inspection. What the city doesn't know about,the city doesn't know about. ... does your home insurance company feel the same ? Same goes for the insurance co. I'm not saying it is a wise idea, but not everybody without a State Issued Certification is a fumbled fingered idiot. (And there are some people I'd rather have do the work, than trust some random guy with the certificate.) The annoying thing is having to go through after the random guy with the certificate and FIX everything that he messed up. Fix what? Messed up what? Residential electrical work isn't rocket surgery, unless you live in Chicago, where everything needs to be in thin-wall conduit, even if buried in the walls. I guess they think that'll protect the wiring against random bullets. Nah goes back to 1871. Or maybe it was the electrians union and the NEC playing upon that fear. No, using it as an excuse for graft. Welcome to the Machine. Exactly. That's why I don't live in a fascist state, like Illinois, anymore. Yep |
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