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Cabinet Hardware question.
I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors
and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
I have used Woodworkers Hardwa
http://www.wwhardware.com/ I think it is definitely worth doing the drawers with full extension ball bearing slides. Every time you open one, you will appreciate the quality. The worst thing to do to a custom drawer is to put a 3/4 extension cheap slide on it. I have replaced some (eventually to do all) in our kitchen with the K-V brand. If you buy in quantities (10) you get a pretty good deal. Lou In article , Steve wrote: I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
There are a few types of ball bearing slides, including the epoxy coated
slides. Discounting the epoxy style slides that use the 2 wheels on each side, the better slides that use ball bearings instead of wheels and or wheels with ball bearings tend to stay adjusted better. With the epoxy wheeled slides you often get side to side slop that seems to be no better than no slide at all. In kitchens for the common drawer I use the single centered under drawer ball bearing slide. For the heavier duty applications I use the side mounted full extension slides. Both of these style slides, mating parts, fit together with close tolerances thus eliminating the typical side to side slop found on most drawers that use the roller wheel type slides. "Steve" wrote in message ... I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Here is a generic full extension that appears to be
a pretty good buy... just found these guys so I can't speak for the quality.... ***** case purchases only ***** http://www.gliderite.com/bearing.htm I plan on buying a box for a shop project... Steve wrote: I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full
extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... For comparison, I've used some 100 lb. 20" slides from Lee Valley that I know to be extremely good quality. For 15 pair of those it would come to $153. Mike "Pat Barber" wrote in message ... Here is a generic full extension that appears to be a pretty good buy... just found these guys so I can't speak for the quality.... ***** case purchases only ***** http://www.gliderite.com/bearing.htm I plan on buying a box for a shop project... Steve wrote: I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Well here are a few suggestions that you may want to consider. (1) Now
would be a good time to make any cabinet modifications you/SHMBO want. You will avoid having to worry about matching wood grain and finish with the old cabinets. Just do any rework so it is flush with the old and reface it along with the rest. (2) Do all the work on the carcasses before even thinking about measuring for doors and drawer fronts. (3) Pick your door and drawer hardware next. In many instances the hardware will affect the size of the doors and drawers. For example side mounted drawer slides typically require 1/2" clearance on each side of the drawer but the good full extension fully concealed drawer slides need only 3/16" on each side. (but the bottom dado must be 1/2" above the bottom of the drawer sides.) (4) If you are going to build the doors and drawer fronts yourself and if you can possibly afford it get the really good hardware. Blum Tandem full extension, fully concealed undermount slides are the best I have been able to find. They have very smooth sliding action and a closing action that is unsurpassed. They are expensive but will not add that much to the total cost of the project. If you have a lot of drawers and can't stand the expense for all drawers pick the drawers that will get heavy use and use them only in these locations. BUT as time passes you will kick yourself over and over again for not using the best slides for all your drawers. With these slides you can build good looking drawers with nice dovetails and your work will not be hidden beneath ugly side mounted hardware. Here is a link to an outfit that has some decent prices. If you order from them call your order in as they are not great about keeping there internet prices up to date. http://www.ahturf.com/Blum/runners.htm Earl Creel "Steve" wrote in message ... I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Steve M. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:11:14 -0400, Steve
wrote: |I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors |and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of |drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference |in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated |drawer slides. Yes. |My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the |ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best |place on line to purchase my hardware? IMHO, it depends on the loading and how long you want them to last. Heavy loads and a couple of plastic wheels aren't compatible. In a bathroom cabinet I'm currently working on I'm using Blum 3/4 extension, self-closing epoxy slides. Plenty good enough for a few towels and toothbrushes. The lowest price I found was at: http://www.scherrs.com/ For my planned kitchen remodel, I've sampled a full-extension ball bearing *self-closing* slide (KV8417) from: http://wwhardware.com In my mind, kitchen drawers should be self-closing so you might give that a thought. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
The "difference" is place of manufactu
Lee Valley typically sells Accuride which is a very well made, USA brand. I suspect these are NOT made in the USA and don't have the big name or big advertising budgets. I had never heard of them and they claim to have been around for 40 years. I do not doubt that. The really big cabinet hardware folks like Hafele, which is the largest in the USA(I think) will sell 20" slides in boxes of 10 for "around" $7 per pair, so the "eastern express" version for $4 per pair is not much of a stretch. I saw "Euro" style being sold at the IWF two years ago for under .85 per pair.... There is only one way to find out....... and I plan to give them a try. Mike in Mystic wrote: if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... For comparison, I've used some 100 lb. 20" slides from Lee Valley that I know to be extremely good quality. For 15 pair of those it would come to $153. Mike |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:24 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
wrote: if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... When you add shipping at the GlideRite site, this becomes $80.00+ for 15 pairs of slides (at least to my zip code). Still, a really great price if they are similar to Accuride 100 lb 20" slides. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:14:04 -0700, Tim Carver
calmly ranted: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:24 GMT, "Mike in Mystic" wrote: if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... When you add shipping at the GlideRite site, this becomes $80.00+ for 15 pairs of slides (at least to my zip code). Still, a really great price if they are similar to Accuride 100 lb 20" slides. Questions three: Has anyone ordered from these guys? Are the slides imported? If so, where from? Is the quality anywhere close to Accuride or are they tinny POS? ------------------------------ REAL men don't need free plans ------------------------------ http://diversify.com REAL websites |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Since you live on the "wrong coast", and shipping
ain't a biggy, why not give it a spin and give us a report. I "found" them and posted it... Like I said, I do not know about the quality until I actually see them. I suspect they are NOT Accuride quality but who knows ??? http://www.gliderite.com/ You are kidding about them being imported.. ???? I plan on buying a set myself but my project is later in the year. Larry Jaques wrote: Questions three: Has anyone ordered from these guys? Are the slides imported? If so, where from? Is the quality anywhere close to Accuride or are they tinny POS? |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
I almost forgot...
Look at the "standards" that they meet before you decide about the POS thing.... Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:14:04 -0700, Tim Carver calmly ranted: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:24 GMT, "Mike in Mystic" wrote: if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... When you add shipping at the GlideRite site, this becomes $80.00+ for 15 pairs of slides (at least to my zip code). Still, a really great price if they are similar to Accuride 100 lb 20" slides. Questions three: Has anyone ordered from these guys? Are the slides imported? If so, where from? Is the quality anywhere close to Accuride or are they tinny POS? ------------------------------ REAL men don't need free plans ------------------------------ http://diversify.com REAL websites |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:11:14 -0400, Steve
wrote: I am going to be refacing my kitchen cabinets (making new cabinet doors and drawers). I have been on-line checking out the different types of drawer slides that are on the market. There is a considerable difference in price compared to the ball bearing drawer slides and the epoxy coated drawer slides. My question is, is there that much of a performance difference in the ball bearing slides to pay the extra money? Where would be the best place on line to purchase my hardware? If by "epoxy coated" you mean the slides that mount on the bottom corners of the drawer box and run on a couple of little wheels - there's no comparison between these and a good pair of side mount ball bearing slides. I always liked using the Accuride 3832 series and you can buy them in boxes of ten for about six bucks a pair (plus the screws) for the twenty inchers. These are 100lb rated slides and I've never had a callback on them. I've heard from some guys that Accuride has been losing a tremendous amount of market share to offshore produced stuff but I don't have any names on the brands that are taking their work away. Good hardware is so important to a kitchen project, and represents such a small percentage of outlay, that it's worth buying good products. I don't know where to buy on the net, as I always bought from a local suppllier but I'd advise you to buy the bulk packs, rather than the individual slides that come with the screws, directions, etc. in a plastic bag. You can save nearly fifty percent going this way. Regards, Tom. Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:52:49 GMT, Pat Barber
calmly ranted: Since you live on the "wrong coast", and shipping Are you in Oceanside, NY (been there once) or Oceanside, CA (lived near there for half my life), Pat? ain't a biggy, why not give it a spin and give us a report. I "found" them and posted it... Like I said, I do not know about the quality until I actually see them. I suspect they are NOT Accuride quality but who knows ??? I found some cheapies in the local hardwood store for $7 a pair but haven't used them yet. They're quite a bit like the Accurides in heft, finish, and feel but are only about half the price. I don't see a name on them but there's an HR stamp on the inside of the outer rail. http://www.gliderite.com/ You are kidding about them being imported.. ???? One never knows. I plan on buying a set myself but my project is later in the year. That's why I bought the cheapie pair: to compare. I decanted some of that nastyass ammonia so maybe I'll just build that fuming tent and start cutting oaken pieces for the dictionary stand this weekend. (The oak is in the way.) ------------------------------ REAL men don't need free plans ------------------------------ http://diversify.com REAL websites |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:54:11 GMT, Pat Barber
calmly ranted: I almost forgot... Look at the "standards" that they meet before you decide about the POS thing.... Whose, mine or theirs? I usually weigh quality with part-in-hand vs. some sillyarse 9001 factory sticker or sumpin' like that. Look and feel are at least as important as specs. Otherwise, we could use wood-on-wood. ------------------------------ REAL men don't need free plans ------------------------------ http://diversify.com REAL websites |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
As Tom Watson has pointed out, even the Accurides
can be had for a decent price "if" bought in "bulk". This has been my experience also. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Actually, my office is in Myrtle Beach, S.C. but
when I started the company, we were 4 blocks from the ocean, hince the name "Oceanside Systems". Larry Jaques wrote: Are you in Oceanside, NY (been there once) or Oceanside, CA (lived near there for half my life), Pat? |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:48:30 GMT, Pat Barber
wrote: As Tom Watson has pointed out, even the Accurides can be had for a decent price "if" bought in "bulk". This has been my experience also. I just found out that the name of the offshore brand, that is a knockoff of the Accuride 3832 series, is "Sterling". I'm told that they are less than half the cost of the Accurides. Guys who have seen them say they look and run good but they haven't been out in the field long enough to get a read on life expectancy. Regards, Tom. Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
I wonder if those guys in California are "re-branding"
the knockoffs under more than one name. http://www.gliderite.com/ or could these be rebranded Waterloo or KV ???? I love Accuride 3832's but I have always thought they were a tad high in price for what you were getting. Some of the retailers really jack it up on prices on full extension drawer slides. Where are your folks getting these "Sterling" slides ??? Tom Watson wrote: I just found out that the name of the offshore brand, that is a knockoff of the Accuride 3832 series, is "Sterling". I'm told that they are less than half the cost of the Accurides. Guys who have seen them say they look and run good but they haven't been out in the field long enough to get a read on life expectancy. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:11:32 GMT, Pat Barber
wrote: I wonder if those guys in California are "re-branding" the knockoffs under more than one name. http://www.gliderite.com/ or could these be rebranded Waterloo or KV ???? I love Accuride 3832's but I have always thought they were a tad high in price for what you were getting. Some of the retailers really jack it up on prices on full extension drawer slides. Where are your folks getting these "Sterling" slides ??? I checked with my old supplier for a price comparison, using the Accuride 3832 - 22" slide as the comparison point. All prices are for each pair, in ten packs: Accuride 3832 $7.73 KV 8400 $7.02 KVPBB 10022 $4.89 (offshore KV branded) Sterling 22" $6.17 (offshore accuride knockoff) These prices are from Briggs Hardware, except the Sterling, which is from Fessenden-Hall. Regards, Tom. Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Well I guess the only way to find out about
the el-cheapo's is to order a box.... I notice that they only sell in boxes of 15 which is a wee bit different than most of the other folks. I'm really curious... Like you said... the long haul is when things show up. Tom Watson wrote: I checked with my old supplier for a price comparison, using the Accuride 3832 - 22" slide as the comparison point. All prices are for each pair, in ten packs: Accuride 3832 $7.73 KV 8400 $7.02 KVPBB 10022 $4.89 (offshore KV branded) Sterling 22" $6.17 (offshore accuride knockoff) These prices are from Briggs Hardware, except the Sterling, which is from Fessenden-Hall. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:51:25 GMT, Pat Barber
calmly ranted: Actually, my office is in Myrtle Beach, S.C. but when I started the company, we were 4 blocks from the ocean, hince the name "Oceanside Systems". Souf KayLINAH and 4 blocks away? That ain't "oceanside." Are you gearing up for a windy time right about now? (Looks like you're getting hit with a large storm now.) ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
In article , Larry Jaques
says... On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:14:04 -0700, Tim Carver calmly ranted: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:24 GMT, "Mike in Mystic" wrote: if they are at all usable than that is amazing. $60 for 15 pair of 20" full extension 100 lb. drawer slides?? hard to imagine how they can pull that off. Unfortunately, you know what they say about things being too good to be true..... When you add shipping at the GlideRite site, this becomes $80.00+ for 15 pairs of slides (at least to my zip code). Still, a really great price if they are similar to Accuride 100 lb 20" slides. Questions three: Has anyone ordered from these guys? No. Not yet. Are the slides imported? If so, where from? Yes. China. Is the quality anywhere close to Accuride or are they tinny POS? Quality is actually pretty good. I got a pair when I attended a liquidation auction and they were bunched in with a box of Accurides. They feel pretty good for a $4/pr slide, with an extra ball in the bearing slide to boot. Haven't tried them in anything other than my shop cabs, but they seem to hold up ok. I'm looking at getting a box. Regards, Rick |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Well, I knew somebody on the group had to have seen these
critters.... That sounds pretty good. Rick Chamberlain wrote: I Are the slides imported? If so, where from? Yes. China. Is the quality anywhere close to Accuride or are they tinny POS? Quality is actually pretty good. I got a pair when I attended a liquidation auction and they were bunched in with a box of Accurides. They feel pretty good for a $4/pr slide, with an extra ball in the bearing slide to boot. |
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Cabinet Hardware question.
Hurricane Charlie is now been upgraded at 2:00pm
to a Cat 4 (145mph)... Florida west coast is gonna get reaaaaal wet. Some place called Charlotte Harbor is gonna catch the eye of the storm later this PM. We get some of the action tomorrow around lunch time the way it looks right now. Go here for a blow by blow(so to speak) http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Larry Jaques wrote: Are you gearing up for a windy time right about now? (Looks like you're getting hit with a large storm now.) |
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