heat for garage/shop?
 

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

heat for garage/shop?
 

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2. The water part has its own problems, though, particularly if
it's not continually heated.

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On 11/12/18 8:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...


I use an electric radiator heater that is 120v and it works well in an
non-insulated 2-car garage.
It's not going to get it 80 degrees in 20 minutes like my kerosene
heater does, but once it's warm, it'll keep it there.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

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sawdustmaker wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

I really like the $100 kerosene heater I bought at Northern last year.
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200664955_200664955

which is $40 less than the BORGs.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dyna-Glo-23800-BTU-Convection-Kerosene-Heater/1000241241
https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304S/304697729

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On 11/12/2018 9:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...


Are you planning to stay in-place for some period of time? If so, it might
be cost-effective to have a 240V service installed. It opens up all sorts
of possibilities beyond heating. I have a 4kW ceiling-mount heater
installed in my shop/garage and it does a great job of keeping everything
comfortable. I was lucky enough to be able to excavate in the ceiling of
the room next door and revive a 45A 240V circuit that was there to serve
the long-gone ceiling heat system but had it not been there I would have
been glad to run new wires just for the heater.

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On 11/12/2018 9:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

You need a better propane heater. I get no odor from my Reddy Heater.
You should get no odor from a proper running heater. I also us propane
for the range in the house with no odor.

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Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the heater is not vented to the outside air? I've always heard they were not safe if not vented outside. And for the garage under consideration here, cutting a vent hole in the wall does not seem like a good idea. Unless its an unattached garage building with no insulation so cutting a hole is real simple.. I would not want to cut holes in the walls of my attached garage. Thus the reason electric heaters are popular.

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On 11/13/18 1:46 PM, wrote:
Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the
heater is not vented to the outside air? I've always heard they were
not safe if not vented outside. And for the garage under
consideration here, cutting a vent hole in the wall does not seem
like a good idea. Unless its an unattached garage building with no
insulation so cutting a hole is real simple. I would not want to cut
holes in the walls of my attached garage. Thus the reason electric
heaters are popular.


Most are considered "clean burning."
Look at the manufacturers warning pages and you'll see a list of
"pollutants."
They do give off some, but are considered low enough levels to be safe
for indoor use.
A typical gas stove does the same.
They provide the typical warning for pregnant women, the elderly, small
children, etc.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

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On 11/12/2018 7:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

How about a heat pump? Something like this ...
https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-Air-C...pSrc=srch&th=1

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:54:12 -0500, John McGaw
wrote:

On 11/12/2018 9:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...


Are you planning to stay in-place for some period of time? If so, it might
be cost-effective to have a 240V service installed. It opens up all sorts
of possibilities beyond heating. I have a 4kW ceiling-mount heater
installed in my shop/garage and it does a great job of keeping everything
comfortable. I was lucky enough to be able to excavate in the ceiling of
the room next door and revive a 45A 240V circuit that was there to serve
the long-gone ceiling heat system but had it not been there I would have
been glad to run new wires just for the heater.


How about a small furnace? An RV or motorhome furnace, or even a
mobile home furnace - faiurly compact forced air externally vented so
you don't smell the propane or natural gas odorants. Even an oil
furnace.

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On 11/13/2018 2:49 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 11/12/2018 7:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does
anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since
vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120
volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

How about a heat pump?Â* Something like this ...
https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-Air-C...pSrc=srch&th=1


I have 220v in my shop (no gas, LP or otherwise on the premises) and so
was able to install a small electric unit that does a GREAT job of
bringing the insulated shop up to 70 degrees from ~ 45 degrees which
I've set as the minimum temp out there. We're on a "total electric"
rate plan and it hasn't been a problem. Only problem I encountered was
having to cut a hole in the wall for a 12K BTU through wall AC unit when
SWMBO saw how comfy the shop was in the dead of winter. Said she,
"Well, it only makes sense, you use the shop in the summer just as much
if not more, why sweat in the summer?" Did I mention that she's a "Keeper?"

That said, I could have just as easily installed (for roughly the same
price) the Pioneer split-system that Just Wondering mentions. I have
the exact same unit in our 504 sq foot family room. It's cheap, so
quiet you literally have to stand next to the air handler to hear it,
and does a great job of heating and cooling.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:27:01 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 11/13/18 1:46 PM, wrote:
Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the
heater is not vented to the outside air? I've always heard they were
not safe if not vented outside. And for the garage under
consideration here, cutting a vent hole in the wall does not seem
like a good idea. Unless its an unattached garage building with no
insulation so cutting a hole is real simple. I would not want to cut
holes in the walls of my attached garage. Thus the reason electric
heaters are popular.

Yes, "ventless" heaters and fireplaces (and logs for same) have been
available for a long time. They're perfectly safe. Of course, CO
detectors should be installed in any building where there is
combustion, vented or not.


Most are considered "clean burning."
Look at the manufacturers warning pages and you'll see a list of
"pollutants."
They do give off some, but are considered low enough levels to be safe
for indoor use.
A typical gas stove does the same.
They provide the typical warning for pregnant women, the elderly, small
children, etc.

The same warning is on bottled water and don't forget the Prop-65
warning.

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:54:43 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:08:40 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

It has been a while since I had the heater going inside the shop.
Right now, things are cluttered enough, I'm not sure I want any kind
of flame going. B-) So I can't say if there is some other kind of
smell resulting from burning propane.
My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"


My experience with propane powered cars is if they run rich they
stink and if they run lean enough to misfire they stink worse. Set up
properly there is virtually no stink. Your burner is likely running
"orange" instead of blue-white.

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Clare Snyder on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 02:04:49 -0500
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:54:43 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:08:40 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

It has been a while since I had the heater going inside the shop.
Right now, things are cluttered enough, I'm not sure I want any kind
of flame going. B-) So I can't say if there is some other kind of
smell resulting from burning propane.
My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"


My experience with propane powered cars is if they run rich they
stink and if they run lean enough to misfire they stink worse. Set up
properly there is virtually no stink. Your burner is likely running
"orange" instead of blue-white.

Hard to say. It is one of the Mr Heater" dual purpose (heat or
cook). sorts, with a ceramic fireplace thing behind the meshwork, if I
remember right.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

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" on Tue, 13 Nov
2018 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the heater is not vented to the outside air?

Depends on what you mean by "safe". The issue is the build up of
combustion products, particularly Carbon Dioxide. If you don't have
adequate fresh air,* you may get a lot of incomplete combustion,
leading to Carbon Monoxide production. While breathing CO2 is bad, CO
is really bad to breath. Insidious in a manner that CO2 isn't.

tschus
pyotr

*one of the drawbacks of modern 'airtight' energy efficient
construction is the reduction in air exchange. Sure you used to have
drafts, but you didn't have to worry about the heater not getting
enough fresh air.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

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" wrote:

Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the heater is not vented to the outside air? I've always heard they were not safe if not vented outside.

https://www.google.com/search?q="vent+free+heater"

HTH

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:54:43 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:08:40 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

It has been a while since I had the heater going inside the shop.
Right now, things are cluttered enough, I'm not sure I want any kind
of flame going. B-) So I can't say if there is some other kind of
smell resulting from burning propane.

The stink could also be burning dust. If so, it should go away soon
enough.

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:58:28 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

" on Tue, 13 Nov
2018 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the heater is not vented to the outside air?

Depends on what you mean by "safe". The issue is the build up of
combustion products, particularly Carbon Dioxide. If you don't have
adequate fresh air,* you may get a lot of incomplete combustion,
leading to Carbon Monoxide production. While breathing CO2 is bad, CO
is really bad to breath. Insidious in a manner that CO2 isn't.

tschus
pyotr

*one of the drawbacks of modern 'airtight' energy efficient
construction is the reduction in air exchange. Sure you used to have
drafts, but you didn't have to worry about the heater not getting
enough fresh air.

True enough but only a fool would have a combustion furnace, stove, or
other device in their home without a functional CO detector.

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wrote in
:


True enough but only a fool would have a combustion furnace, stove, or
other device in their home without a functional CO detector.


True. I have had two activations of CO detectors in the last 10 years,
both of which were real. They caught the issue early, long before it
became a problem.

I had no idea the appliances were misbehaving (water heater and a boiler)
until those detectors went off.

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:49:42 -0700, Just Wondering wrote:

On 11/12/2018 7:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

How about a heat pump? Something like this ...
https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-Air-C...pSrc=srch&th=1

The SEER for this unit seems pretty low for a mini-split. Wonder why.
Any HVAC workers around?

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:31:02 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:54:43 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:58:28 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

" on Tue, 13 Nov
2018 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Are propane or kerosene heaters SAFE to use in enclosed spaces if the heater is not vented to the outside air?

Depends on what you mean by "safe". The issue is the build up of
combustion products, particularly Carbon Dioxide. If you don't have
adequate fresh air,* you may get a lot of incomplete combustion,
leading to Carbon Monoxide production. While breathing CO2 is bad, CO
is really bad to breath. Insidious in a manner that CO2 isn't.

tschus
pyotr

*one of the drawbacks of modern 'airtight' energy efficient
construction is the reduction in air exchange. Sure you used to have
drafts, but you didn't have to worry about the heater not getting
enough fresh air.

True enough but only a fool would have a combustion furnace, stove, or
other device in their home without a functional CO detector.

When drafts like those, exhaust product production is not a major
concern.
Now, the next question is: how sensitive do you want your
detector? 100ppm? 50ppm? the least amount detectable?
I want the best detection possible at an affordable price. The alarm
limit is a different story -and even there, very low because if you
are getting ANY Co something is not working right - - -

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On 11/15/2018 9:37 AM, swalker wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:49:42 -0700, Just Wondering wrote:

On 11/12/2018 7:33 PM, sawdustmaker wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

How about a heat pump? Something like this ...
https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-Air-C...pSrc=srch&th=1

The SEER for this unit seems pretty low for a mini-split. Wonder why.
Any HVAC workers around?


Considering the average 12,000BTU window or through wall AC unit (at
120v) has a CEER or SEER rating of 10.5 or less, 17.2 is nothing to
sneeze at. Don't recall what the 12,000BTU unit we replaced with this
split system had, but our electric bill dropped and even if it hadn't
we'd be happy as this is whisper (literally) quiet.

This Pioneer unit was not significantly more expensive than a top of the
line thru wall unit of the same capacity. My only regret with the
purchase is that we didn't start with this unit.

If you look into the additional cost involved with very high SEER rated
units and computer energy savings over a 15 year period, you'll find
that you're coming up at least $1,000 short. High SEER looks good,
sells good, but really isn't worth it.

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pyotr filipivich writes:

Now, the next question is: how sensitive do you want your
detector? 100ppm? 50ppm? the least amount detectable?

The atmospheric fraction of CO is 0.1PPM, so you don't want
your detector to be too sensitive (e.g. to the PPB).

The lethal concentration leading to a 50% death rate is 4000PPM
over 30 minutes, or 5000PPM over 5 minutes.

The permissible exposure limit is 50PPM.

The recommended exposure limit ie 35PPM.

Immediate danger at 1200PPM.

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:31:02 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:52:26 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:54:43 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
on Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:08:40 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:
I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

It has been a while since I had the heater going inside the shop.
Right now, things are cluttered enough, I'm not sure I want any kind
of flame going. B-) So I can't say if there is some other kind of
smell resulting from burning propane.

The stink could also be burning dust. If so, it should go away soon
enough.

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

In a ten by twelve shop (9.5 by 11.5 with the insulation) there
isn't room for more than me and the cat. A wood stove is not an
option, right now. I bundle up and she has a fur coat (and heated pad
for sleeping on.)

I didn't mean to suggest wood, just that propane is quieter than wood
(which isn't deafening). Both have the problem of open flame, which
probably isn't good where there's a lot of flammable dust.

Sigh. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have the shop in a
different place, and ....

I've had a couple of do-overs. My previous house had my shop split
between the garage and the attic. It was a good workout but not very
efficient. I have 2000 ft^2 of unfinished walk-out basement in this
house. I learn from my mistakes. ;-)

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:25:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

pyotr filipivich writes:

Now, the next question is: how sensitive do you want your
detector? 100ppm? 50ppm? the least amount detectable?

The atmospheric fraction of CO is 0.1PPM, so you don't want
your detector to be too sensitive (e.g. to the PPB).

The lethal concentration leading to a 50% death rate is 4000PPM
over 30 minutes, or 5000PPM over 5 minutes.

The permissible exposure limit is 50PPM.

The recommended exposure limit ie 35PPM.

Immediate danger at 1200PPM.


I think mine alarms at 25ppm

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Burning mold or sawdust or lint dust with chemicals (cleaning, relaxing)
all cause issues.

On 11/14/2018 7:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:54:43 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:08:40 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:16:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:56:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:33:52 GMT, sawdustmaker
wrote:

I have a double burner propane heater I've been using to heat the
garage/shop for quite some time. I've grown tired of the smell. Does anyone
have other recommendations? A wood stove isn't an option since vehicles are
in there at night. The other restriction is that I only have 120 volts. Of
course the ultimate answer would be to have a dedicated shop, but...

Why does propane smell? Al that should be coming out of it is water
and CO2.
Don't forget the "oderizer" added to propane so you can smell if
there is a leak.

If you can smell the mercaptan, there *is* a leak. If the burner is
working properly, there is no smell. I have propane logs in my living
room and a propane cook top. Neither stink.

It has been a while since I had the heater going inside the shop.
Right now, things are cluttered enough, I'm not sure I want any kind
of flame going. B-) So I can't say if there is some other kind of
smell resulting from burning propane.

The stink could also be burning dust. If so, it should go away soon
enough.

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

heat for garage/shop?
 

heat for garage/shop?
 

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:23:33 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:52:26 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

This burner "roars" when running. I makes more noise than I ever
heard out of a wood stove.
The "salamander" type jet heaters ARE noisy and DANGEROUS. AKA
"construction heaters"

heat for garage/shop?
 

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:23:33 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:52:26 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

This burner "roars" when running. I makes more noise than I ever
heard out of a wood stove.

Propane? I've heard noisy kerosene heaters (salamanders) but I can't
imagine why a propane heater would have to be noisy. I guess
anything's possible but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

heat for garage/shop?
 

pyotr filipivich wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:52:26 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

This burner "roars" when running. I makes more noise than I ever
heard out of a wood stove.

"roars"?

https://youtu.be/zEArFOV3LnY
https://youtu.be/qEyygtCZAN4?t=354
https://youtu.be/OFUDYnD6Qwc?t=324
https://youtu.be/bw2Z2C2UTBA?t=181

yea, I'd say that's an accurate description.

heat for garage/shop?
 

Spalted Walt on Sat, 17 Nov 2018 17:40:39
+0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:52:26 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

My other issue is the noise, but between freezing and not being
able to hear the radio "How do you like your coffee?"

Noise? Wood makes a lot more noise than propane. OTOH, an open flame
may not be such a good idea in a shop.

This burner "roars" when running. I makes more noise than I ever
heard out of a wood stove.

"roars"?

https://youtu.be/zEArFOV3LnY
https://youtu.be/qEyygtCZAN4?t=354
https://youtu.be/OFUDYnD6Qwc?t=324
https://youtu.be/bw2Z2C2UTBA?t=181

yea, I'd say that's an accurate description.

What I have is along these lines:
https://www.equipsupply.com/mr-heate...oker-ene-mh15c

Works real well to make coffee and take the chill off "the shack".

It is that "make coffee"feature I snagged it for.
--
pyotr filipivich
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