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What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts?
I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:31:36 -0700 (PDT), Clark Moss
wrote: What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. Thickness doesn't matter a whole lot for bench dogs. A Black and Decker Workmate has a 3/4" thick top and they work fine. Where you might have a problem is with the holdfasts--1.25 is a bit thin for them.. Try them and see if they hold, if they don't then fasten a block underneath and drill it through to increase the thickness. You might find this of interest: http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/blog/251/title/Some%20Tips%20on%20Using%20Our%20Gramercy%20Holdfa sts |
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On 10/20/2018 7:31 PM, Clark Moss wrote:
What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. My Festool Work table uses 3/4" MDF and it works fine. Mostly it will depend on what size and kind of dogs you intend to use. Might be less expensive to get a new type of hold down than to go thick for a surface. |
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On 10/20/2018 8:31 PM, Clark Moss wrote:
What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. That is plenty thick. I use 3/4" because it is what I had but would prefer 1". |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:19:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 10/20/2018 8:31 PM, Clark Moss wrote: What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. That is plenty thick. I use 3/4" because it is what I had but would prefer 1". .... not 3/4 inch butcher block, I bet ? John T. |
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What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. That is plenty thick. I use 3/4" because it is what I had but would prefer 1". ... not 3/4 inch butcher block, I bet ? John T. No, plywood. If was a home made drafting table where I worked many years ago. When the didn't want it any more I converted it to a workbench. Free is a good price. OP is probably OK with 1 1/4 butcher block - 1 3/4 is OK too ... http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/pag...22&cat=1,41637 John T. |
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Especially considering the butcher block was free.
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Thank you all for the feedback. This is encouraging and makes me excited to start this project.
My grandpa passed 20+ years ago. I got three slabs of butcher block from his shop last winter, with no plans in mind. This idea started kicking around last week when I realized the three slabs are the perfect size. |
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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 7:31:39 PM UTC-5, Clark Moss wrote:
What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. Free butcher block? Great I would think about using it also. BUT you will have the end grain up, which means any spills are going right down into the top. I much prefer the Rubo style of 2.75 to 3.5 inches. You get the weight to provide a lot more stability to your bench, assuming you put reasonable legs on it. What you could do is use the butcher block and top it with a second top of about 1.5" thick with the side grain up. Two advantages, 1) its a whole lot easier to handle than a 3" solid top and 2) you do not have the end grain wicking up anything that drop on it. |
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"Dr. Deb" wrote:
Free butcher block? Great I would think about using it also. BUT you will have the end grain up, which means any spills are going right down into the top. Not necessarily: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...-2-1-4-/T21249 http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg100...2a40751283.jpg http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2018/main/341?p=341 |
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Free butcher block? Great I would think about using it also. BUT you will have the end grain up That was my first thought also - until I looked up butcher block : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butcher_block " two basic styles of butcher block: end grain and edge grain: John T. |
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Clark Moss on Sun, 21 Oct 2018 19:29:57 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: Especially considering the butcher block was free. Free is a very good price. Now, how much are you spending to get it home, set up, stable .... "asking for a friend".* *I snagged two solid core doors. two inches thick. Great bench. But after the last re-organization, I need to make some serious legs for the one. Before, when I "pushed" on it, I was pushing the bench against the wall. Now I'm not, and it "wiggles". One more thing ... tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 9:49:39 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Free butcher block? Great I would think about using it also. BUT you will have the end grain up That was my first thought also - until I looked up butcher block : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butcher_block " two basic styles of butcher block: end grain and edge grain: John T. The same holds for cutting boards. They say end grain is better because the knife "opens" the grain instead of trying to cut through. Your knives stay sharpen longer. |
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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 7:31:39 PM UTC-5, Clark Moss wrote:
What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. I believe a workbench should be solid and massive. Heavy so it does not move when you plane boards. My bench is about 2' x 8' and 2.5" thick. Red oak. It doesn't move. I wish I had made it an inch thicker. |
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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 7:31:39 PM UTC-5, Clark Moss wrote: What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. I believe a workbench should be solid and massive. Heavy so it does not move when you plane boards. My bench is about 2' x 8' and 2.5" thick. Red oak. It doesn't move. I wish I had made it an inch thicker. sandbags on the legs. Mine is 2.25" thick hard maple (28"x84"), but I used alder for the 16/4 legs, and that's a bit lighter weight. So, the bottom shelf holds a #3, #4, #4 1/2, #605, #606, #607 and #608, to add a bit of mass to the bench :-) |
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Luckily it's edge grain butcher block. It's pine or fir, so it's gong to get beat up quick. But again... Free, and in better shape than the maple 1x8s on there now.
Next I need to research dog hole spacing and how many you really need. I'm sure that depends on the project. |
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Clark Moss wrote:
Next I need to research dog hole spacing and how many you really need. I'm sure that depends on the project. Shannon Rogers' prospective. YMMV... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjEK6sywHU8 |
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On 10/22/2018 2:37 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 7:31:39 PM UTC-5, Clark Moss wrote: What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. I believe a workbench should be solid and massive. Heavy so it does not move when you plane boards. My bench is about 2' x 8' and 2.5" thick. Red oak. It doesn't move. I wish I had made it an inch thicker. I believe a workbench should contain drawers filled with tools. My workbench top is 1.5" solid construction grade fir. You'd need a fork lift to move it. http://jbstein.com/Flick/bench04.JPG -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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On 10/23/2018 2:47 AM, Clark Moss wrote:
Luckily it's edge grain butcher block. It's pine or fir, so it's gong to get beat up quick. But again... Free, and in better shape than the maple 1x8s on there now. Next I need to research dog hole spacing and how many you really need. I'm sure that depends on the project. I built my bench in 1975 and it has a fir butcher block top I made out of construction grade 2x4's ripped in half and glued up. I figured the top would get beat up and would be easily and cheaply replaced or sanded down. After 43 years of use and abuse, I never needed to replace it, or sand it down. All the wear and tear (not all that much considering it's cheap softwood) is a romantic reminder of the 43 years of hard work spent together and I wouldn't remotely consider replacing or removing it's hard earned patina. http://jbstein.com/Flick/bench03.JPG -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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Fantastic! Covers all the bases. I don't have a vise right now and he covers hole placement without a vise. Great video!
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Great looking bench! Mine is more of an outfeed table/work bench island. I'll post before and after pictures soon.
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Here's the BEFORE pictu
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 |
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 5:50:47 PM UTC-4, Clark Moss wrote:
Here's the BEFORE pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 Looks nice. Is that used as an outfeed for the table saw? Does the extra height screw that up? |
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Thanks! Yes, it's the outfeed. The drop was a little too much before. Now it's a half inch. So far it feels good.
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Clark Moss
wrote: Here's the BEFORE pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 Nice! I'm surprised at the direction of the boards. |
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 7:06:15 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Clark Moss wrote: Here's the BEFORE pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 Nice! I'm surprised at the direction of the boards. I'm hoping that doesn't impact strength. These boards were glued up over 20 years ago... I had three panels and only needed to cut 1/2 inch or so off every side to get them all to fit. |
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On 10/23/2018 11:22 PM, Clark Moss wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 7:06:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Clark Moss wrote: Here's the BEFORE pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 Nice! I'm surprised at the direction of the boards. I'm hoping that doesn't impact strength. These boards were glued up over 20 years ago... I had three panels and only needed to cut 1/2 inch or so off every side to get them all to fit. Strength shouldn't be an issue, unless working on an elephant. At any rate, it will be stronger in this orientation. On a side note, I had the exact same table saw fence on my saw. Great upgrade was to a Delta Fence I got on sale at Low's for $150. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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On 10/23/2018 11:14 AM, Jack wrote:
All the wear and tear (not all that much considering it's cheap softwood) is a romantic reminder of the 43 years of hard work spent together and I wouldn't remotely consider replacing or removing it's hard earned patina. http://jbstein.com/Flick/bench03.JPG Yeah, that has a nice patina. Easy to do if you have 40+ years. |
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On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 6:34:16 AM UTC-7, Jack wrote:
On 10/23/2018 11:22 PM, Clark Moss wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 7:06:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Clark Moss wrote: Here's the BEFORE pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/1jybVgNDodzRv14i9 Here's the AFTER pictu https://photos.app.goo.gl/VH2ngtHivxbgvZzF7 Nice! I'm surprised at the direction of the boards. I'm hoping that doesn't impact strength. These boards were glued up over 20 years ago... I had three panels and only needed to cut 1/2 inch or so off every side to get them all to fit. Strength shouldn't be an issue, unless working on an elephant. At any rate, it will be stronger in this orientation. On a side note, I had the exact same table saw fence on my saw. Great upgrade was to a Delta Fence I got on sale at Low's for $150. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com Thanks, Jack, i'll look that up. The table saw was also handed down from Grandpa. He bought it new somewhere between '60-'62. It's in fantastic shape! The only downside is ALL of the safety guards etc. are long gone. The top end of the fence has a tendency to move slightly when being locked down. I check the alignment every time I move the damn thing. I didn't think I could buy a new fence for a 50+ year old machine, and original parts are way out of my price range (if you can find them). Time for a new fence! |
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On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 11:11:38 AM UTC-5, Clark Moss wrote:
I didn't think I could buy a new fence for a 50+ year old machine, and original parts are way out of my price range (if you can find them). Time for a new fence! I suspect you could buy a new fence to fit the table saw very easily. Table saws have not changed much at all in about 50 years. The same parts that fit them 50 years ago still fit them today. I have a 25 year old Delta Contractor saw. I put a Biesemeyer fence on it 25 years ago. Today I could buy a Biesemeyer fence and install it the same. Nothing has changed in 25 years. And I'm pretty sure nothing has changed in 50 years either. The original Delta Unisaw from 1930 could fit a brand new Biesemeyer fence today. Or Delta's new table saw fence they invented 20 years ago. Unifence? Or any of the other new table saw fences. They all fit all old saws. |
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On 10/24/2018 12:11 PM, Clark Moss wrote:
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 6:34:16 AM UTC-7, Jack wrote: On a side note, I had the exact same table saw fence on my saw. Great upgrade was to a Delta Fence I got on sale at Low's for $150. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com Thanks, Jack, i'll look that up. The table saw was also handed down from Grandpa. He bought it new somewhere between '60-'62. It's in fantastic shape! The only downside is ALL of the safety guards etc. are long gone. The top end of the fence has a tendency to move slightly when being locked down. I check the alignment every time I move the damn thing. I didn't think I could buy a new fence for a 50+ year old machine, and original parts are way out of my price range (if you can find them). Time for a new fence! My saw is about 10 years older than yours, and it has no safety equipment. Personally, I think most of that safety crap is dangerous... Anyway, I looked up the fence at Lowe's and it's now $219. It is night and day from the lame fence that came with our saws. First it moves easily and always locks down square, but the best thing is you can just lift it off and on. Installing it on my saw was not too difficult. The screws bolting it to the saw were metric, and I just replaced them. Pretty sure I used the screws from the original fence. I bolted one hole right to the fence, and it was perfect height, amazing since the original was so dang old. I had to drill a new hole in the fence to match threaded hole in the saw table. That wasn't hard, but measuring had to be accurate. The rear fence is not really needed at all, as all the locking is done from the front. You will not be disappointed with this fence, it's a good upgrade worth every penny. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 7:40:38 PM UTC-4, Clark Moss wrote:
Thanks! Yes, it's the outfeed. The drop was a little too much before. Now it's a half inch. So far it feels good. I take it you don't have a large sled...or will you be routing slots? |
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... What is the minimum recommended bench top thickness when using bench-dogs or other types of hold-fasts? I'm replacing the top of my work table with some 1.25 inch thick butcher block. I'd like to add some 3/4 inch holes for hold fasts. ****************** For well supported steel tops 1/4 inch works very nicely. For plank and pin wood tops I'd say 2 inches. Again well supported. |
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