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for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually |
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Electric Comet writes:
for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections If I read your rambling correctly, you're asking for a thin wood to use as a book cover. think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy Not when it's 3/16" thick. Use anything you like, you'll find little difference in weight at that size. A much more interesting question is how it should be finished and bound. |
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Electric Comet on Fri, 2 Mar 2018
10:13:29 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use What size book? How important is the "look"? I glued a bit of 3 mm plywood to the front of a spiral notebook to keep the cover from curling. has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually again, what size? If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Electric Comet wrote:
for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually |
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On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually I would consider gluing rather than screwing or bolting the hinges |
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On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too. |
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On 3/3/2018 7:08 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too. Perhaps pop-rivets to attach the hinges to the thin ply. |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC) fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well. Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too. |
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On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC) fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well. Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover? Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too. |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC) fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well. Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover? Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-) Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too. |
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On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC) fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well. Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover? Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-) I think you made that up, therefore it's Pulp Fiction. |
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On 3/2/2018 10:32 PM, Bill wrote:
Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store. Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good. It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier. Formica won't work? |
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On 3/4/2018 11:01 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 3/2/2018 10:32 PM, Bill wrote: Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store. Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good. It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier. Formica won't work? As model aircraft plywood goes, 3/32" is pretty thick stuff. You can readily buy 3-ply birch ply down to 0.4mm (1/64") if you feel the need although I've never seen a model design that required anything so thin. https://www.easybuiltmodels.com/ply.htm |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 07:20:06 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical wood selections think something like a book cover oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy a ply might work but wood would look best for this use has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because just screws and glue will work loose eventually If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts. I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC) fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well. Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover? Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-) I think you made that up, therefore it's Pulp Fiction. Well, supplier datasheets usually are. ;-) |
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:32:12 -0500
Bill wrote: Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply just have to find the right adhesive |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:01:15 -0600
gray_wolf wrote: Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store. Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good. It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier. Formica won't work? never worked with formica as far as i know plus i have none but iirc formica is brittle and meant to have a stiff backing |
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution |
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Electric Comet writes:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution I'd split the cover into two pieces along the long edge, narrow (.5 - .75) at the binding, and use a piano hinge. |
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In rec.woodworking, Electric Comet wrote:
Bill wrote: Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply just have to find the right adhesive PVA will probably work fine. Hide glue is traditional. You might also consider using a leatherworking awl to sew the leather to the thin plywood. Sewing or gluing, there are bookbinding tutorials / guides that will help. Tyvek works great for book-cover style hinges, but it is a much more industrial look than I think you want. Elijah ------ has bound miniature books using currency, also quite durable |
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On Wednesday, 7 Mar 2018 19:56:29 wrote:
PVA will probably work fine. Hide glue is traditional. You might also think i have som hide glue so that will do it consider using a leatherworking awl to sew the leather to the thin plywood. that is getting fancy but would look great Sewing or gluing, there are bookbinding tutorials / guides that will help. well i think it has to be glued and the sewing would be cake icing Tyvek works great for book-cover style hinges, but it is a much more industrial look than I think you want. will it hold paint i thought it would not has bound miniature books using currency, also quite durable is is durable and maybe has higher value as a binding |
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Electric Comet on Wed, 7 Mar 2018
11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years. Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the book to the cover. There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah, it can be done. Without hinges. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Electric Comet on Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years. Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the book to the cover. There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah, it can be done. Without hinges. Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding https://goo.gl/VhyxPY |
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years. Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the book to the cover. There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah, it can be done. Without hinges. Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding https://goo.gl/VhyxPY You'd think there would be a book or two on the subject. ;-) |
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:27:50 AM UTC-8, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:32:12 -0500 Bill wrote: Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an interesting substitute to consider. working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply just have to find the right adhesive Contact cement works well. The use of leather can be your hinge solution, of course: some of my tools are in an oak/leather/velcro holder, that has aged well over the decades. Contact cement back then was kinda... acetone-based, though. Not sure about waterbased. |
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DerbyDad03 on Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:15:22 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-5, Markem wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: Electric Comet on Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800 pyotr filipivich wrote: If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look and feel. probably 12 by 9 inches doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though thinking hinges might be the best solution They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years. Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the book to the cover. There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah, it can be done. Without hinges. Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding https://goo.gl/VhyxPY You'd think there would be a book or two on the subject. ;-) Medieval Tech support, for when "the book " was the new technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X25AValEf9I -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800
pyotr filipivich wrote: They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years. longer than that i would guess it can be done. Without hinges. hinges are meant for higher use and will last longer book bindings wear quickly with high use many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as a surprise asked if they sell them and they said no even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb |
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Electric Comet on Fri, 9 Mar 2018
08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: book bindings wear quickly with high use many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as a surprise asked if they sell them and they said no even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb Really, really dumb. "Crimes against humanity" dumb, -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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pyotr filipivich writes:
Electric Comet on Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: book bindings wear quickly with high use many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as a surprise asked if they sell them and they said no even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb Really, really dumb. And, like much from EC, the statement that libraries don't sell or give away books is incorrect. Libraries all over the country sell old books to raise funds for new books. Many also give away books that they no longer wish to keep in their collection. Others have book exchange tables. |
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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 11:50:16 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich writes: Electric Comet on Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following: book bindings wear quickly with high use many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as a surprise asked if they sell them and they said no even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb Really, really dumb. And, like much from EC, the statement that libraries don't sell or give away books is incorrect. Libraries all over the country sell old books to raise funds for new books. Many also give away books that they no longer wish to keep in their collection. Others have book exchange tables. +1 My library has an room dedicated to books for sale as well as an Amazon store for rare books that they don't want to leave out in the open. From their website: The xxxxxxx Public Library Book Sale Room is open for business. We have hundreds of new and used books starting at $0.50! Come in and have a look around. The Book Sale Room is located around the corner from the front entrance, just before the elevator. Heres what you can expect to find: Books in €śLike-New€ť condition start at $2 Most other Hardcovers/Trade Paperbacks will be $1 while smaller Paperbacks are just $0.25 Library Discards are only $1 including Childrens Books, Teen Fiction, and Classic Authors Music CDs, DVDs, and Books on CD start at $1 Vintage and Collectible Titles will be priced individually Current issues of popular Magazines are $1, and all other Magazines are just $0.25 Please Note: All Book Sale Room items can be paid for at the Circulation Desk and Sales Tax will be added to all purchases. Also, dont forget to visit our Amazon Store for online sales of rare and antiquarian books. |
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