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For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

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On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

I might as well be the first...

Why are they blue?

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On 2/28/2018 4:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

I might as well be the first...

Why are they blue?


Because.

;~)

Oddly blue in the center and dark grey on the outside.

I got a few samples of the sponges at the Festool Road Show back in
December.

These sponges have the Granat grit but the Granat paper for the electric
sanders is light blue in color.

That said, the Granat paper lasts 5~10 times longer than regular sand
paper and does not clog easily.

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:34:35 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/28/2018 4:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

I might as well be the first...

Why are they blue?


Because.

;~)

Oddly blue in the center and dark grey on the outside.

I got a few samples of the sponges at the Festool Road Show back in
December.

These sponges have the Granat grit but the Granat paper for the electric
sanders is light blue in color.

That said, the Granat paper lasts 5~10 times longer than regular sand
paper and does not clog easily.

Does it work as well without the vacuum? I thought it lasted longer
in the sanders because the vacuum kept the paper clear.

Entry Level Festool
 

Finally!!

Something from Festool I can afford! I thought when I saw the subject line that Festool had introduced a line of pencil erasers.

Robert

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On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 6:34:52 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/28/2018 4:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

I might as well be the first...

Why are they blue?


Because.

;~)

Oddly blue in the center and dark grey on the outside.

I got a few samples of the sponges at the Festool Road Show back in
December.

These sponges have the Granat grit but the Granat paper for the electric
sanders is light blue in color.

That said, the Granat paper lasts 5~10 times longer than regular sand
paper and does not clog easily.

I've been using the Diablo Sand-Net disks on my ROS and they seem to work really well.
I've not had any of the ripping that some folks have mentioned and they don't clog at all.

I've even used them by hand to knock down brushstrokes and smooth primer. No clogging
with paint like paper would because of the net construction.

Haven't tried any Granat paper yet. I'll do that.

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On 2/28/2018 7:17 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:34:35 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/28/2018 4:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
For those that have a limited budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0pQi3i53Q

;~)

I might as well be the first...

Why are they blue?


Because.

;~)

Oddly blue in the center and dark grey on the outside.

I got a few samples of the sponges at the Festool Road Show back in
December.

These sponges have the Granat grit but the Granat paper for the electric
sanders is light blue in color.

That said, the Granat paper lasts 5~10 times longer than regular sand
paper and does not clog easily.

Does it work as well without the vacuum? I thought it lasted longer
in the sanders because the vacuum kept the paper clear.


Because they do not use the vac, I have not used them yet. I have not
built anything that requires hand sanding lately.

As far as paper lasting longer because of the vac, that is true. The
Rubin, which I used to use, lasted longer than 3M and PC branded paper
with out a vac. But the Granat trumps the Rubin many times over in
longevity with the vac.

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On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 6:07:28 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've been using the Diablo Sand-Net disks on my ROS and they seem to work really well.
I've not had any of the ripping that some folks have mentioned and they don't clog at all.

I've even used them by hand to knock down brushstrokes and smooth primer. No clogging
with paint like paper would because of the net construction.

Haven't tried any Granat paper yet. I'll do that.

Leon gave me a piece of Granat and I put it on my Ridgid ROS. I was completely impresses with how well it lasted. After researching the paper a bit more I found that it wasn't really much more than some of the other papers I have been using and it was readily available on Amazon. Most likely when I get another large refinishing job I will bite on a pack of it.

I have had mixed results with the net style sandpaper, so I would be interested in seeing your thoughts comparing the two. I have been using the Diablo line of paper as I can buy a 5 pack pretty much anywhere. It's really good paper until you get in the heavier grits. I noticed with the piece of Granat that it seemed to sand more aggressively than the specified grit, but left no marks behind.

Robert

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On 3/1/2018 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 6:07:28 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've been using the Diablo Sand-Net disks on my ROS and they seem to work really well.
I've not had any of the ripping that some folks have mentioned and they don't clog at all.

I've even used them by hand to knock down brushstrokes and smooth primer. No clogging
with paint like paper would because of the net construction.

Haven't tried any Granat paper yet. I'll do that.

Leon gave me a piece of Granat and I put it on my Ridgid ROS. I was completely impresses with how well it lasted. After researching the paper a bit more I found that it wasn't really much more than some of the other papers I have been using and it was readily available on Amazon. Most likely when I get another large refinishing job I will bite on a pack of it.

I have had mixed results with the net style sandpaper, so I would be interested in seeing your thoughts comparing the two. I have been using the Diablo line of paper as I can buy a 5 pack pretty much anywhere. It's really good paper until you get in the heavier grits. I noticed with the piece of Granat that it seemed to sand more aggressively than the specified grit, but left no marks behind.

Robert

If, "net" style sand paper is like Abrinet Sanding screens..... I was
not impress with their tear resistance. It was possible to immediately
destroy a piece, or if very careful on a flat surface, it "could" last
as long as regular paper. It did however work well as long as it did
not tear up. Absolutely did not last as long as Granat.

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On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 2:02:53 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/1/2018 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 6:07:28 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've been using the Diablo Sand-Net disks on my ROS and they seem to work really well.
I've not had any of the ripping that some folks have mentioned and they don't clog at all.

I've even used them by hand to knock down brushstrokes and smooth primer. No clogging
with paint like paper would because of the net construction.

Haven't tried any Granat paper yet. I'll do that.

Leon gave me a piece of Granat and I put it on my Ridgid ROS. I was completely impresses with how well it lasted. After researching the paper a bit more I found that it wasn't really much more than some of the other papers I have been using and it was readily available on Amazon. Most likely when I get another large refinishing job I will bite on a pack of it.

I have had mixed results with the net style sandpaper, so I would be interested in seeing your thoughts comparing the two. I have been using the Diablo line of paper as I can buy a 5 pack pretty much anywhere. It's really good paper until you get in the heavier grits. I noticed with the piece of Granat that it seemed to sand more aggressively than the specified grit, but left no marks behind.

Robert

If, "net" style sand paper is like Abrinet Sanding screens..... I was
not impress with their tear resistance. It was possible to immediately
destroy a piece, or if very careful on a flat surface, it "could" last
as long as regular paper. It did however work well as long as it did
not tear up. Absolutely did not last as long as Granat.

When I first asked about the Diablo paper a few months ago, you brought up
tearing issue of the Abrinet Sanding screens. I can't say if the Diablo discs
are same material/make-up/strength, etc. having never tried the Abrinet
Sanding screens. I also don't know if I have ever encountered the type of
situation that you say could "immediately destroy a piece".

What I can say is that I have never torn a Diablo sanding disc (except when
I actually tried, by hand, as shown in the images below).

I've sanded large surfaces, like the side of a base cabinet. I've sanded
smaller surfaces, like the rails and stiles of cabinet doors, I've folded
a disc in half and used it to hand sand the curved surfaces of window trim
and the edge of a panel where it meets a rail/stile. I've rinsed them with
water, hung 'em to dry and used 'em again.

I just took one of the oldest discs I have and tried to tear it by hand. As
shown here, it took half dozen tries before I found a spot where I could
tear it. In most cases it just kind of bends out of shape. I tried hard
enough that it roughed up the edges of my fingers.

https://i.imgur.com/W5PK88q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NKdrx66.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it's better than the Abrinet product because I've only
tried the Diablo brand. I'd be willing to test it more if you'll give me a
situation where the Abrinet product would have been destroyed.

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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 2:02:53 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/1/2018 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 6:07:28 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've been using the Diablo Sand-Net disks on my ROS and they seem to work really well.
I've not had any of the ripping that some folks have mentioned and
they don't clog at all.

I've even used them by hand to knock down brushstrokes and smooth primer. No clogging
with paint like paper would because of the net construction.

Haven't tried any Granat paper yet. I'll do that.

Leon gave me a piece of Granat and I put it on my Ridgid ROS. I was
completely impresses with how well it lasted. After researching the
paper a bit more I found that it wasn't really much more than some of
the other papers I have been using and it was readily available on
Amazon. Most likely when I get another large refinishing job I will
bite on a pack of it.

I have had mixed results with the net style sandpaper, so I would be
interested in seeing your thoughts comparing the two. I have been
using the Diablo line of paper as I can buy a 5 pack pretty much
anywhere. It's really good paper until you get in the heavier grits. I
noticed with the piece of Granat that it seemed to sand more
aggressively than the specified grit, but left no marks behind.

Robert

If, "net" style sand paper is like Abrinet Sanding screens..... I was
not impress with their tear resistance. It was possible to immediately
destroy a piece, or if very careful on a flat surface, it "could" last
as long as regular paper. It did however work well as long as it did
not tear up. Absolutely did not last as long as Granat.

When I first asked about the Diablo paper a few months ago, you brought up
tearing issue of the Abrinet Sanding screens. I can't say if the Diablo discs
are same material/make-up/strength, etc. having never tried the Abrinet
Sanding screens. I also don't know if I have ever encountered the type of
situation that you say could "immediately destroy a piece".

What I can say is that I have never torn a Diablo sanding disc (except when
I actually tried, by hand, as shown in the images below).

The abranet tore when I used it like regular sand paper. I do not baby the
product that I am sanding with.
Not saying that you do and it is quite possible improvements have been
made. When I tried a sample pack, 8+ years ago it came with an adapter
foam part that made the disks compatible with any sander. I don't recall
them being easy to tear by hand but they certainly did if I went over a
point or if the product was not perfectly centered and was not protected by
the sanders disk.
The problem may have been the adapter part that would allow the product to
come loose/ move and shift.

Slightly going off on a tangent, when I first started using dust control,
Festool sanders and vac, it was difficult for me to judge when the paper
was worn out. I no longer could look at the sawdust that accumulated on
the work surface and on the paper. With out dust collection the amount of
sawdust diminished as the paper wore out. That was my indicator go change
paper. I could get about 4~7 minutes of use and the paper was done.
With dust collection I learned to pause and feel the sharpness of the
minerals. And I was getting 5~10 minutes before the paper would feel dull.
Keep in mind that with the dust collection the reddish brown Festool Rubin
paper that I was using would be worn out but still look clean and brand new
UNLESS I sanded dried excess glue or an old finish. Then I could see the
beading of the debris on the paper.

With the Festool Granat paper I can get. 15~30 minutes of sanding before
the paper dulls. Add to that, sanding excess dried glue or an old or
dried finish has no adverse effect on paper life. I used to buy Festool
Rubin paper in 50 or 100 packs. I can still do that with Granat paper
but when I first started using this paper I only bought a 10 pack. I did
not want to buy a bunch and not like it. It took me the same amount of
sanding to use up those 10 disks as the 50 of the Rubin papers. When that
10 pack of Granat was gone I only bought the 10 pack again.

For certain, great dust collection is key to extending paper life. YMMV.







I've sanded large surfaces, like the side of a base cabinet. I've sanded
smaller surfaces, like the rails and stiles of cabinet doors, I've folded
a disc in half and used it to hand sand the curved surfaces of window trim
and the edge of a panel where it meets a rail/stile. I've rinsed them with
water, hung 'em to dry and used 'em again.

I just took one of the oldest discs I have and tried to tear it by hand. As
shown here, it took half dozen tries before I found a spot where I could
tear it. In most cases it just kind of bends out of shape. I tried hard
enough that it roughed up the edges of my fingers.

https://i.imgur.com/W5PK88q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NKdrx66.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it's better than the Abrinet product because I've only
tried the Diablo brand. I'd be willing to test it more if you'll give me a
situation where the Abrinet product would have been destroyed.

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On 3/1/18 8:06 AM, Leon wrote:

Because they do not use the vac, I have not used them yet. I have not
built anything that requires hand sanding lately.

As far as paper lasting longer because of the vac, that is true. The
Rubin, which I used to use, lasted longer than 3M and PC branded paper
with out a vac. But the Granat trumps the Rubin many times over in
longevity with the vac.


I'm a big fan of the Granat papers. Do the sanding pads come in a systainer?

I read that the grit is a hybrid of standard aluminum oxide and ceramic
abrasives. Compared to my Norton 3x, they seem to be about a 5x.

-BR

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On 3/3/2018 9:04 AM, Brewster wrote:
On 3/1/18 8:06 AM, Leon wrote:

Because they do not use the vac, I have not used them yet.Â* I have not
built anything that requires hand sanding lately.

As far as paper lasting longer because of the vac, that is true.Â* The
Rubin, which I used to use, lasted longer than 3M and PC branded paper
with out a vac.Â* But the Granat trumps the Rubin many times over in
longevity with the vac.


I'm a big fan of the Granat papers. Do the sanding pads come in a
systainer?

Can't answer that with any knowledge but if the video is any indicator,
yes. Seems odd that you would need or want a $70 systainer to hold sand
paper but Festool does have a systainer for holding sanding disks.....





I read that the grit is a hybrid of standard aluminum oxide and ceramic
abrasives. Compared to my Norton 3x, they seem to be about a 5x.

-BR


I would not doubt that at all.

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:20:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 3/3/2018 9:04 AM, Brewster wrote:
On 3/1/18 8:06 AM, Leon wrote:

Because they do not use the vac, I have not used them yet.* I have not
built anything that requires hand sanding lately.

As far as paper lasting longer because of the vac, that is true.* The
Rubin, which I used to use, lasted longer than 3M and PC branded paper
with out a vac.* But the Granat trumps the Rubin many times over in
longevity with the vac.


I'm a big fan of the Granat papers. Do the sanding pads come in a
systainer?

Can't answer that with any knowledge but if the video is any indicator,
yes. Seems odd that you would need or want a $70 systainer to hold sand
paper but Festool does have a systainer for holding sanding disks.....

I'd prefer not to pay for any systainers but that's not the way the
tools come. I understand systainers if you're working in the
customer's kitchen. The sandpaper is in the stack with the tools.
Otherwise, I think systainers are an excuse to sell sys-carts. ;-)

I read that the grit is a hybrid of standard aluminum oxide and ceramic
abrasives. Compared to my Norton 3x, they seem to be about a 5x.

-BR


I would not doubt that at all.

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On 3/3/2018 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:20:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 3/3/2018 9:04 AM, Brewster wrote:
On 3/1/18 8:06 AM, Leon wrote:

Because they do not use the vac, I have not used them yet.Â* I have not
built anything that requires hand sanding lately.

As far as paper lasting longer because of the vac, that is true.Â* The
Rubin, which I used to use, lasted longer than 3M and PC branded paper
with out a vac.Â* But the Granat trumps the Rubin many times over in
longevity with the vac.


I'm a big fan of the Granat papers. Do the sanding pads come in a
systainer?

Can't answer that with any knowledge but if the video is any indicator,
yes. Seems odd that you would need or want a $70 systainer to hold sand
paper but Festool does have a systainer for holding sanding disks.....

I'd prefer not to pay for any systainers but that's not the way the
tools come. I understand systainers if you're working in the
customer's kitchen. The sandpaper is in the stack with the tools.
Otherwise, I think systainers are an excuse to sell sys-carts. ;-)

This is true but this paper lasts so long you probably would not need
more that 2~3 pieces for a kitchen. Maybe.. ;~)