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Electrical question about lathe
Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am
guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500
Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. best ask the seller basing your buying decision on the answers here and you could experience extreme buyer remorse |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/19/2018 3:06 PM, Bill wrote:
Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase?Â* I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill My gut tells me 120 volt, I don't think I have ever seen an outside 240 volt 3 phase outlet like the one it is plugged into. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500, Bill
wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill By the size of the motor, and the plug, I'd say much more likely 240 single phase, myself. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:17:09 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500 Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. best ask the seller basing your buying decision on the answers here and you could experience extreme buyer remorse Check the power plug. |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/19/2018 3:59 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/19/2018 3:06 PM, Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase?Â* I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill My gut tells me 120 volt, I don't think I have ever seen an outside 240 volt 3 phase outlet like the one it is plugged into. But maybe that is all in doors with great lighting. Then all bets are off. ;~) |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:59:46 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/19/2018 3:06 PM, Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase?* I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill My gut tells me 120 volt, I don't think I have ever seen an outside 240 volt 3 phase outlet like the one it is plugged into. It's single phase 240 from what I see - a standard north american surface mount range plug or possibly drier plug from the sieventies? |
Electrical question about lathe
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 5:02:12 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/19/2018 3:59 PM, Leon wrote: On 1/19/2018 3:06 PM, Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase?Â* I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill My gut tells me 120 volt, I don't think I have ever seen an outside 240 volt 3 phase outlet like the one it is plugged into. But maybe that is all in doors with great lighting. Then all bets are off. ;~) I'm guessing that's indoors. Nothing in that photo (the wooden floor, the receptacle box, the duct tape on the ducts, the slat wall, even the lathe itself) looks like it's spent any time outdoors. Granted, I live where we actually have "weather" so I'm biased. |
Electrical question about lathe
You can't tell anything from the plug, unless it is from a recent shop
that was OSHA cognizant. I have seen many "home shop and small shop kludge" wiring. Anything that got voltage to the machine was OK. Can't relay on that. One way MIGHT be to examine the switch. If it only switched one leg it MIGHT be single phase. Or is there a contactor that is controlled by one only one leg, that controls 3 phase? From the pictures it looks like is was in some sort of industrial setting. This might indicate 3 phase. If a home setting it is unlikely that is 3 phase. Of course on a farm that may be 3 phase. ??????????????? Best to have the seller waranty what it is. CP |
Electrical question about lathe
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 3:06:33 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill Email or call Scott Langston and ask. I've call them several times for more info, about items. Usually, someone at the item's location (If not the agent - Scott) will reply, fairly promptly. I think the telephone answering office is in Arizona, but not sure, though the main office is in York, Pa. Just because the motor plate is not accessible, doesn't mean the motor phase can't be known. Location-folks should readily know. Scott Langston 717-849-5047 Sonny |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500, Bill
wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill Best I can do. http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgIndex...x?id=609&tab=3 Index of Oliver machines, I think your guess is right. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 3:06:33 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill Reserve not yet met! That seems odd, as per comparable items sold on this site. Also, $50 bid increments seems high, especially for the (again, comparable) present low bid amount. If you go inspect it, check the tool rest carefully... make sure it's nice and sturdy and easy to maneuver. Sonny |
Electrical question about lathe
"Bill" wrote in message Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill I see no reason for this lathe to be three phase. No need for reverse rotation.... phil k. |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/19/18 8:34 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill I see no reason for this lathe to be three phase. No need for reverse rotation.... phil k. What!? How are you supposed to put the wood back on when you make a mistake? :-p -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- www.mikedrums.com |
Electrical question about lathe
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/19/18 8:34 PM, Phil Kangas wrote: "Bill" wrote in message Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill I see no reason for this lathe to be three phase. No need for reverse rotation.... phil k. What!? How are you supposed to put the wood back on when you make a mistake? :-p Dammit. I cut it twice and it's still too short. |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/19/2018 4:59 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/19/2018 3:06 PM, Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase?Â* I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill My gut tells me 120 volt, I don't think I have ever seen an outside 240 volt 3 phase outlet like the one it is plugged into. I had three of them (480V 3ph) installed in places around our shop. It was for a welder. Looking at the cord and switch though, I'd agree with you. Only thing I can be 100% sure about is the lathe is green. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500
Bill wrote: https://www.irsauctions.com/popups/p...75545&id=21667 have doubts that these are really irs auctions not that it matters a lot but still is anything for real anymore |
Electrical question about lathe
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:11:45 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500 Bill wrote: https://www.irsauctions.com/popups/p...75545&id=21667 have doubts that these are really irs auctions not that it matters a lot but still is anything for real anymore "IRS" stands for "Industrial Recovery Services", it's right there in the logo. There used to be somebody online who was ". It was amazing the number of people who thought that that was the Central Intelligence Agency and not "Complete Internet Access", a Boston ISP. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:01:11 -0500, J. Clarke
wrote: On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:11:45 -0800, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:09 -0500 Bill wrote: https://www.irsauctions.com/popups/p...75545&id=21667 have doubts that these are really irs auctions not that it matters a lot but still is anything for real anymore "IRS" stands for "Industrial Recovery Services", it's right there in the logo. There used to be somebody online who was ". It was amazing the number of people who thought that that was the Central Intelligence Agency and not "Complete Internet Access", a Boston ISP. Many years ago, my wife met someone on a flight out of NYC. When he found out that we lived in Hyde Park, he asked who I worked for. She replied "IBM", to which he said he "worked for the CIA". Everyone around started looking at them. In Hyde Park, NY, the "CIA" is the Culinary Institute of America. ;-) |
Electrical question about lathe
Sonny wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 3:06:33 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: Can you tell from the photo whether this lathe is 3-phase? I am guessing yes, but I'm not sure. http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/pr...75545&id=21667 Thanks, Bill Reserve not yet met! That seems odd, as per comparable items sold on this site. Also, $50 bid increments seems high, especially for the (again, comparable) present low bid amount. If you go inspect it, check the tool rest carefully... make sure it's nice and sturdy and easy to maneuver. Sonny Thank you (all) for your replies to my post/question! For some reason, my newsreader stopped downloading messages from this newsgroup and I had to resubscribe (hence, my delay). I noticed that the current bid has gone up to $350 +22% (buyer's premium and sales tax), but the price increments are now $25. This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. There are still 9 days until the auction closes, and I will watch and see what happens. I noticed some concern (from another source) about it being "direct drive". Does that somehow may it more dangerous? Cheers, Bill |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/21/2018 10:44 PM, Bill wrote:
This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. |
Electrical question about lathe
This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. I got 3 days suspension for that same crime. ... spent about half of it at the pool hall. John T. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 11:25:23 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/21/2018 10:44 PM, Bill wrote: This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. +1 (other than SWMBO, of course ;-) |
Electrical question about lathe
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. Hmmm. I am pretty sure at my High School we had a smoking section on the grounds. Sidewalk area between the buildings. You would see 3-4-5 kids standing there smoking before or after school or at lunch. Don't think there was time between classes to light up. The kids smoking were not exactly the top of the class. Only time I got suspended in High School was for senior skip day where we went to the beach/lake. Dang school called my Mom and she said no she did not give me permission to miss school. I guess you could get retro active permission for skip day if your parents said they authorized you to miss school. But they locked me in a room with other kids for the whole school day.. Not really suspended from school. It was boring and miserable to sit quietly in the same room all day long. Always seemed counter productive to punish kids that way. Take kids out of class and make it so they could not learn anything from the teachers that day? Wouldn't it be better to make the kids go to class and learn all day? Punish all the kids by closing school! What the heck. |
Electrical question about lathe
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/21/2018 10:44 PM, Bill wrote: This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. That's a pretty severe penalty. At my high school they smoked in the "boys" rest room, and occasionally behind the arc-welding curtain. Sometimes the rest rooms were so crowded you could barely squeeze through to conduct any business.. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:52:00 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. Hmmm. I am pretty sure at my High School we had a smoking section on the grounds. Sidewalk area between the buildings. You would see 3-4-5 kids standing there smoking before or after school or at lunch. Don't think there was time between classes to light up. The kids smoking were not exactly the top of the class. Only time I got suspended in High School was for senior skip day where we went to the beach/lake. Dang school called my Mom and she said no she did not give me permission to miss school. I guess you could get retro active permission for skip day if your parents said they authorized you to miss school. But they locked me in a room with other kids for the whole school day. Not really suspended from school. It was boring and miserable to sit quietly in the same room all day long. Always seemed counter productive to punish kids that way. Take kids out of class and make it so they could not learn anything from the teachers that day? Wouldn't it be better to make the kids go to class and learn all day? Punish all the kids by closing school! What the heck. We had a Senior Skip Day, too. All classes before us did, though none before had a 95% participation rate. The administration was mighty ****ed the next day and, worse, almost all the parents approved of it so there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it. When the Dean of Girls (the battle-axe got the job of calling parents in my part of the alphabet) called my mother, you could see her face get red when mom told her that not only did she know where I was (at a state park about 50 miles away) but let me use her car so my girlfriend (now SWMBO) and I could go. |
Electrical question about lathe
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 11:25:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/21/2018 10:44 PM, Bill wrote: This lathe has some sentimental value as I used one very much like it in high school. Nothing from High School has sentimental value to me. Not even 5 days detention for smoking in the schoolyard. 5 days for smoking? Holy crap! I went to high school in NYC. Rough neighborhood. I don't think I would have gotten 5 days for *dealing* in the schoolyard...and I ain't talking about a card game. |
Electrical question about lathe
Sonny wrote:
If you go inspect it, check the tool rest carefully... make sure it's nice and sturdy and easy to maneuver. Sonny Thanks for the tips. They couldn't give me any information over the phone. I have an appointment to go inspect it! : ) Bill |
Electrical question about lathe
Bill wrote:
I have an appointment to go inspect it! : ) The serial number of the lathe under discussion is only 19 away from a "known" Oliver 51-B registered at vintagemachinery.com. That one was "purchased off of craigslist from a gentleman who had purchased it from a school" (this hints at its history). Small world. The bottom of the plug says, very nearly, 20A, 250, 3.0 ... I believe it is 4 wire 3-phase (is this consistent?). Of course who know how many times the unit has been rewired in it's lifetime. The current configuration was really too convoluted for me to understand. I could not see the motor since it was hidden away inside the unit. The person who allowed me to inspect it got irked that I even unplugged it. The electricity was "not available" for me to turn the unit on. It was set up with a switch in a box. I'm leaning away from it (not being in the need of a new big project), but you folks have been successful in talking me into stuff before! ; ) Although it comes with a box of parts, it's not like you can just run out and buy parts you want. I believe it was made in 1931. Bill I'm allowed to "ask questions" and he said he'll "get them answered". Are there any good questions I could ask? A guy who lives a few doors down from me has a similar lathe in his garage and I have never seem him use it. It would probably be simpler for me to go over and make him an offer! ; ) |
Electrical question about lathe
If it is 3 phase it could be a 4 wire WYE 3 legs and a neutral / ground.
The motor should have 3 wires of the same color (White) and one green or Black. If it has two white a green and a black it is a 220 across the white and black neutral green safety ground. If you have a plug on it that would also help us. If you are talking about the plug numbers / letters. Means maximum not how used. I have seen 220 in a shop on a 5 lug plug. That plug had the lug sizes and it exceeded need. I used to use 5 plug 200 amp a pin and 3 phase 5 wire. Neutral and Ground. Coffee can (2 pound size). Martin On 1/23/2018 7:57 PM, Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Â*I have an appointment to go inspect it!Â* : ) The serial number of the lathe under discussion is only 19 away from a "known" Oliver 51-B registered at vintagemachinery.com.Â* That one was "purchased off of craigslist from a gentleman who had purchased it from a school" (this hints at its history).Â* Small world. The bottom of the plug says, very nearly,Â* 20A, 250, 3.0 ... I believe it isÂ* 4 wire 3-phase (is this consistent?).Â* Of course who know how many times the unit has been rewired in it's lifetime.Â* The current configuration was really too convoluted for me to understand.Â* I could not see the motor since it was hidden away inside the unit.Â* The person who allowed me to inspect it got irked that I even unplugged it.Â* The electricity was "not available" for me to turn the unit on. It was set up with a switch in a box.Â*Â* I'm leaning away from it (not being in the need of a new big project), but you folks have been successful in talking me into stuff before! ; )Â*Â*Â* Although it comes with a box of parts, it's not like you can just run out and buy parts you want. I believe it was made in 1931. Bill I'm allowed to "ask questions" and he said he'll "get them answered". Are there any good questions I could ask?Â*Â* A guy who lives a few doors down from me has a similar lathe in his garage and I have never seem him use it. It would probably be simpler for me to go over and make him an offer!Â* ; ) |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/23/2018 7:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Â*I have an appointment to go inspect it!Â* : ) The serial number of the lathe under discussion is only 19 away from a "known" Oliver 51-B registered at vintagemachinery.com.Â* That one was "purchased off of craigslist from a gentleman who had purchased it from a school" (this hints at its history).Â* Small world. The bottom of the plug says, very nearly,Â* 20A, 250, 3.0 ... I believe it isÂ* 4 wire 3-phase (is this consistent?).Â* Of course who know how many times the unit has been rewired in it's lifetime.Â* The current configuration was really too convoluted for me to understand.Â* I could not see the motor since it was hidden away inside the unit.Â* The person who allowed me to inspect it got irked that I even unplugged it.Â* The electricity was "not available" for me to turn the unit on. It was set up with a switch in a box.Â*Â* I'm leaning away from it (not being in the need of a new big project), but you folks have been successful in talking me into stuff before! ; )Â*Â*Â* Although it comes with a box of parts, it's not like you can just run out and buy parts you want. I believe it was made in 1931. Bill I'm allowed to "ask questions" and he said he'll "get them answered". Are there any good questions I could ask?Â*Â* A guy who lives a few doors down from me has a similar lathe in his garage and I have never seem him use it. It would probably be simpler for me to go over and make him an offer!Â* ; ) Doh! LOL |
Electrical question about lathe
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:57:30 -0500
Bill wrote: I'm allowed to "ask questions" and he said he'll "get them answered". Are there any good questions I could ask? A guy who lives a few doors down from me has a similar lathe in his garage and I have never seem him use it. It would probably be simpler for me to go over and make him an offer! ; ) why not make him an offer maybe drive over in a forklift with the cash in hand have noticed that some people buy a big lathe with similar ambitions but once they fire it up and use it or misuse it they get scared away and then it collects dust as they never muster the courage but it is not anything to be ashamed of and i am not putting them down knowing the limitations of man or machine is good and erring on the side of caution is also good |
Electrical question about lathe
Bill wrote:
Thank you (all) for your replies to my post/question! I noticed that the current bid has gone up to $350 +22% (buyer's premium and sales tax), but the price increments are now $25. There are still 9 days until the auction closes, and I will watch and see what happens. In case anyone is curious, the final bid (not by me) was $950 + 22%. I only mention this as a reference point for others. I think that's beyond what some other have paid in similar auctions, even taking into consideration that a (probably $150) set of 8 "unbranded" gouges was included. Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! Bill |
Electrical question about lathe
Bill writes:
Bill wrote: Thank you (all) for your replies to my post/question! I noticed that the current bid has gone up to $350 +22% (buyer's premium and sales tax), but the price increments are now $25. There are still 9 days until the auction closes, and I will watch and see what happens. In case anyone is curious, the final bid (not by me) was $950 + 22%. I only mention this as a reference point for others. I think that's beyond what some other have paid in similar auctions, even taking into consideration that a (probably $150) set of 8 "unbranded" gouges was included. Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! That tool set was a standard delta turning set from the 90's in the original wood box. Not bad tools (I have a set) but not expensive by any means. The tools in the auction looked like they'd never been used. |
Electrical question about lathe
On 1/30/2018 1:14 PM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Thank you (all) for your replies to my post/question! I noticed that the current bid has gone up to $350 +22% (buyer's premium and sales tax), but the price increments are now $25. There are still 9 days until the auction closes, and I will watch and see what happens. In case anyone is curious, the final bid (not by me) was $950 + 22%. I only mention this as a reference point for others.Â* I think that's beyond what some other have paid in similar auctions, even taking into consideration that a (probably $150) set of 8 "unbranded" gouges was included. Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! Bill What does you neighbor want for his? ;~) |
Electrical question about lathe
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:39:20 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes: In case anyone is curious, the final bid (not by me) was $950 + 22%. I only mention this as a reference point for others. I think that's beyond what some other have paid in similar auctions, even taking into consideration that a (probably $150) set of 8 "unbranded" gouges was included. Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! That tool set was a standard delta turning set from the 90's in the original wood box. Not bad tools (I have a set) but not expensive by any means. The tools in the auction looked like they'd never been used. Harbor Freight sells the same tool set. Either soft steel or High Speed Steel. $19 or $65. I doubt the eventual buyer gave a second's thought to the tool set. The (probably $150) is outrageous. https://www.harborfreight.com/wood-l...-pc-62674.html https://www.harborfreight.com/profes...-pc-69723.html |
Electrical question about lathe
Leon wrote:
Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! Bill What does you neighbor want for his? ;~) Exactly! As he is a Harley salesman, and has at least 4 "bikes", I'm guessing that he got it in trade. Come spring, I may kindly ask he what he would like for it... : ) |
Electrical question about lathe
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 14:14:04 -0500
Bill wrote: In case anyone is curious, the final bid (not by me) was $950 + 22%. I only mention this as a reference point for others. I think that's beyond what some other have paid in similar auctions, even taking into consideration that a (probably $150) set of 8 "unbranded" gouges was included. Evidently, machinery made in 1931 holds up! not a bad price probably and good to see new life for an old machine then there is the transport or shipping to deal with from what i have read those old machines not only hold up they are unmatched by anything you can buy now for their weight and size |
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