starting to weed through my cutoffs to narrow down what i keep since i
have too much

but i just thought that some of the woods might produce toxic smoke

is it true that woods that are tricky to work with also produce
toxic smoke

replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
All untreated wood cut offs are perfectly fine and don't give off anything
that isn't already in the air for one, but also what they do give off becomes
harmless within hours or up to a few days (see - "Wood Smoke and Your Health",
including its right side panels
https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health ).

However, in the case of Painted or Pressure Treated Wood (low-grade wood for
outdoor use) they should not be burned and only thrown in the trash for the
landfills (yes, your cheap wood or plastic composite deck is very far from
ecological), because they're full of petroleum distillates and pesticides.

All wood releases toxins and for that matter anything burned does too, yes
even your favorite cut of meat with grill marks or toasted bread is a now a
carcinogenic delight. Chimney liners, Stove pipes, Flues, Fireboxes and Ash
bins or pits should be scrubbed clean annually and handled as a Hazardous
Operation with all debris staying off you and going immediately to the
outdoors by a strong fan(s) or into a HEPA filtered vacuum.

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On 11/17/2017 7:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
All untreated wood cut offs are perfectly fine and don't give off anything
that isn't already in the air for one, but also what they do give off
becomes
harmless within hours or up to a few days (see - "Wood Smoke and Your
Health",
including its right side panels
https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health ).

However, in the case of Painted or Pressure Treated Wood (low-grade wood
for
outdoor use) they should not be burned and only thrown in the trash for the
landfills (yes, your cheap wood or plastic composite deck is very far from
ecological), because they're full of petroleum distillates and pesticides.

All wood releases toxins and for that matter anything burned does too, yes
even your favorite cut of meat with grill marks or toasted bread is a now a
carcinogenic delight. Chimney liners, Stove pipes, Flues, Fireboxes and Ash
bins or pits should be scrubbed clean annually and handled as a Hazardous
Operation with all debris staying off you and going immediately to the
outdoors by a strong fan(s) or into a HEPA filtered vacuum.



Be cautious when burning wood scraps, they burn much more intensely than
typical fire wood.
Scrap woods are much dryer and a little goes a long way as far as heat
out put. I would advise against building a large fire inside of a fire
place with just scrap wood.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:13:53 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:


in addition to the above comments (non-treated, non-painted, non-coated, non-primed) I would also advise sticking to hardwoods and against burning pine (no SPF, no softwood at all.) Pine releases creosote, though in small amounts, I'm sure there's less risk. There are also ways to mitigate that risk (e.g., creosote burning logs, full stainless liners, etc.) but for my money, I just avoid it altogether.

I'm interested in others' takes on the softwood burning, especially in homes.

Also, I tend to use my smaller hardwood scraps in my smoker, as opposed to my fireplace. Whether oak, maple, or cherry, it never hurts the brisket or pulled pork!

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/17/2017 7:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
All untreated wood cut offs are perfectly fine and don't give off anything
that isn't already in the air for one, but also what they do give off
becomes
harmless within hours or up to a few days (see - "Wood Smoke and Your
Health",
including its right side panels
https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health ).

However, in the case of Painted or Pressure Treated Wood (low-grade wood
for
outdoor use) they should not be burned and only thrown in the trash for the
landfills (yes, your cheap wood or plastic composite deck is very far from
ecological), because they're full of petroleum distillates and pesticides.

All wood releases toxins and for that matter anything burned does too, yes
even your favorite cut of meat with grill marks or toasted bread is a now a
carcinogenic delight. Chimney liners, Stove pipes, Flues, Fireboxes and Ash
bins or pits should be scrubbed clean annually and handled as a Hazardous
Operation with all debris staying off you and going immediately to the
outdoors by a strong fan(s) or into a HEPA filtered vacuum.



Be cautious when burning wood scraps, they burn much more intensely than
typical fire wood.
Scrap woods are much dryer and a little goes a long way as far as heat
out put. I would advise against building a large fire inside of a fire
place with just scrap wood.


Also take care with softwoods - they'll build up layers of
creosote in the chimney liner, leading to higher potential of
chimney fires.

On 11/17/2017 9:31 AM, Steve wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:13:53 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:


in addition to the above comments (non-treated, non-painted, non-coated, non-primed) I would also advise sticking to hardwoods and against burning pine (no SPF, no softwood at all.) Pine releases creosote, though in small amounts, I'm sure there's less risk. There are also ways to mitigate that risk (e.g., creosote burning logs, full stainless liners, etc.) but for my money, I just avoid it altogether.

I'm interested in others' takes on the softwood burning, especially in homes.

Also, I tend to use my smaller hardwood scraps in my smoker, as opposed to my fireplace. Whether oak, maple, or cherry, it never hurts the brisket or pulled pork!


I've not had a problem with well dried softwood in moderation. I don't
let it smolder and give it plenty of air. Not everyone has access to
hardwoods and they use softwood almost entirely. You just have to take
a bit of care and clean more often. In some parts of the world they use
dried manure too.

For those that don't have a smoker, a plastic bucket of the right scraps
is a good swap for some smoked meats if you know someone that does.

On 2017-11-17, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Not everyone has access to hardwoods and they use softwood almost
entirely.

nb raises hand.....

Can you believe it!? Colorado, fer all its trees, has NO native
hardwoods. It's all pine (n' ass-pens). This is hard to take fer an
ol' CA boy, where oak is so much more than plentiful. Some pines are
harder than others, but they're still pine.

We can get hardwoods (lotta wood stoves in CO), but at a MUCH greater
cost. Soooo, lotta pine wood burnt in CO. Lotta fireplaces, stoves,
chimneys, etc, get a lotta attention.

nb --still on propane

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:17:27 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/17/2017 7:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
All untreated wood cut offs are perfectly fine and don't give off anything
that isn't already in the air for one, but also what they do give off
becomes
harmless within hours or up to a few days (see - "Wood Smoke and Your
Health",
including its right side panels
https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health ).

However, in the case of Painted or Pressure Treated Wood (low-grade wood
for
outdoor use) they should not be burned and only thrown in the trash for the
landfills (yes, your cheap wood or plastic composite deck is very far from
ecological), because they're full of petroleum distillates and pesticides.

All wood releases toxins and for that matter anything burned does too, yes
even your favorite cut of meat with grill marks or toasted bread is a now a
carcinogenic delight. Chimney liners, Stove pipes, Flues, Fireboxes and Ash
bins or pits should be scrubbed clean annually and handled as a Hazardous
Operation with all debris staying off you and going immediately to the
outdoors by a strong fan(s) or into a HEPA filtered vacuum.



Be cautious when burning wood scraps, they burn much more intensely than
typical fire wood.
Scrap woods are much dryer and a little goes a long way as far as heat
out put. I would advise against building a large fire inside of a fire
place with just scrap wood.

Yes, scraps will have more surface area, too. It would make good
kindling, for the same reasons that too much wouldn't be a good thing.
OTOH, scraps should be OK in a wood stove, where the fire can be
throttled back.

On 11/17/2017 9:31 AM, Steve wrote:

in addition to the above comments (non-treated, non-painted, non-coated, non-primed) I would also advise sticking to hardwoods and against burning pine (no SPF, no softwood at all.) Pine releases creosote, though in small amounts, I'm sure there's less risk. There are also ways to mitigate that risk (e.g., creosote burning logs, full stainless liners, etc.) but for my money, I just avoid it altogether.

I'm interested in others' takes on the softwood burning, especially in homes.

Also, I tend to use my smaller hardwood scraps in my smoker, as opposed to my fireplace. Whether oak, maple, or cherry, it never hurts the brisket or pulled pork!


Burning soft pine sucks because it's light (less BTU's/cubic foot, and
burns fast. This makes it perfect for starting a fire. Shop scraps,
generally kiln dried wood, has little to no creosote/tar/nicotine (might
have some nicotine) so is no big threat to your chimney. All smoke has
stuff that will coat your chimney if cool and burned slow, so a
fireplace, which usually burns hot and fast compared to a wood stove
that often gets throttled down so burns cool and slow, happily coating
your chimney with soot and creasote.

I use all my scrap wood as kindling to start fires in my fireplace. I
also burn all my sawdust in my fireplace. I don't burn pine logs,
because they take just as much work to process and get into your
fireplace as hard wood, but burn fast with far less btu's.

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than sending
it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust from treated
wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who really knows,
lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always skeptical about this
stuff.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:07:24 -0500
Jack wrote:

I use all my scrap wood as kindling to start fires in my fireplace. I
also burn all my sawdust in my fireplace. I don't burn pine logs,
because they take just as much work to process and get into your
fireplace as hard wood, but burn fast with far less btu's.


the sawdust gets spread and mixed in with mulch or compost

but if i had a suitable log shaped mold and a very hefty press i would wet
the sawdust and mix with some shredded paper and make my own logs

Jack wrote in news
*snip*

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than
sending it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust
from treated wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who
really knows, lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always
skeptical about this stuff.


As I understand it, the properway to dispose of treated wood is
incineration. Of course, the "pros" want to do it, as a cold smokey fire
could be a hazard.

I've burned old deck boards and had flames leaping 5' off of them.
Definitely not something to do inside. :-)

Puckdropper
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A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

On 11/18/2017 1:41 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
Jack wrote in news
*snip*

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than
sending it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust
from treated wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who
really knows, lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always
skeptical about this stuff.


As I understand it, the properway to dispose of treated wood is
incineration. Of course, the "pros" want to do it, as a cold smokey fire
could be a hazard.

I've burned old deck boards and had flames leaping 5' off of them.
Definitely not something to do inside. :-)

Yes, I was thinking lots of hazardous waste is incinerated, so possibly
burning PT wood would destroy most or all of the bad stuff. Not saying
it's ok, but just thinking.

I know for years I heard you shouldn't use pressure treated wood in your
raised gardens and on picnic tables. Always thought that was wrong, and
now at least I read in raised gardens, it's safe, which I figured anyway.

As far as picnic tables go, unless your eating the table itself, I
wouldn't worry about that either. After every bird on earth takes a
dump on your table, local cats dine on vermin and so on, you might want
to use a plate when eating like most civilized people would. But if you
don't, then I'd still worry about other than the PT wood, unless the
chemicals was still oozing out of the wood.

Inside is not a problem unless your house is filling with smoke, which
would mean you have more problems than burning PT, or painted wood.

I was at a dock party once where they were boiling corn on the cob in a
giant drum on a fire, and stirring the stuff with a PT 2x4. I guess
nobody died immediately from the corn, but I told them they were dumb as
dirt, imo, and I didn't eat one ear, although it was probably safe
enough for a few ears, not for me.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 11/18/2017 12:25 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:07:24 -0500
Jack wrote:

I use all my scrap wood as kindling to start fires in my fireplace. I
also burn all my sawdust in my fireplace. I don't burn pine logs,
because they take just as much work to process and get into your
fireplace as hard wood, but burn fast with far less btu's.


the sawdust gets spread and mixed in with mulch or compost

but if i had a suitable log shaped mold and a very hefty press i would wet
the sawdust and mix with some shredded paper and make my own logs.

At one time I had access to 18" long 1/2" thick cardboard tubes that
were used for rolls of paper. I plugged one end with tapered circles I
cut on the BS from scrap wood, stuck them in my pre-filter DC drum, and
it would fill around 10-15 at a time. When filled, I'd plug the other
end and burn them in my wood burner. No longer can get those, but I
usually keep any cardboard boxes of appropriate size, and stuff them
with sawdust, tape them closed and burn them. Extra saw dust I'd throw
in the compost, but don't have any extra lately. Also, if I cut any
treated wood, the sawdust goes in the fire, not the compost.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 18 Nov 2017 18:41:26 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Jack wrote in news
*snip*

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than
sending it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust
from treated wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who
really knows, lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always
skeptical about this stuff.


As I understand it, the properway to dispose of treated wood is
incineration. Of course, the "pros" want to do it, as a cold smokey fire
could be a hazard.

I don't think bringing any PT is a good idea. AFAIK, it's not burned,
rather buried in a landfill.

I've burned old deck boards and had flames leaping 5' off of them.
Definitely not something to do inside. :-)

Puckdropper

on Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:58:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 18 Nov 2017 18:41:26 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Jack wrote in news
*snip*

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than
sending it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust
from treated wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who
really knows, lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always
skeptical about this stuff.


As I understand it, the properway to dispose of treated wood is
incineration. Of course, the "pros" want to do it, as a cold smokey fire
could be a hazard.

I don't think bringing any PT is a good idea. AFAIK, it's not burned,
rather buried in a landfill.

I think you meant "burning".

Anyway; Pressure treated wood - pre 2003 - used arsenic and
chromium (Chromated copper arsenate). Bad **** Maynerd - which is why
you did not want to breath the smoke, or use the sawdust in compost.
That whole Arsenic thing, while it may be "all natural", but it is
still toxic.

Now they've got a list of copper based compounds/products which
are less hazardous, but what else is new?

tschus
pyotr







I've burned old deck boards and had flames leaping 5' off of them.
Definitely not something to do inside. :-)

Puckdropper
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:37:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:58:05 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 18 Nov 2017 18:41:26 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Jack wrote in news
*snip*

As far as painted wood, I burn it too. Treated wood I wonder about, I
know they say not to, but not sure if it's better or worse than
sending it to a landfill. I know I don't like breathing shop dust
from treated wood, and would think burning it would be bad, but who
really knows, lots of bad science/info out there, so I'm always
skeptical about this stuff.


As I understand it, the properway to dispose of treated wood is
incineration. Of course, the "pros" want to do it, as a cold smokey fire
could be a hazard.

I don't think bringing any PT is a good idea. AFAIK, it's not burned,
rather buried in a landfill.

I think you meant "burning".

Yes (autocorrect!), thanks.


Anyway; Pressure treated wood - pre 2003 - used arsenic and
chromium (Chromated copper arsenate). Bad **** Maynerd - which is why
you did not want to breath the smoke, or use the sawdust in compost.
That whole Arsenic thing, while it may be "all natural", but it is
still toxic.

Now they've got a list of copper based compounds/products which
are less hazardous, but what else is new?

tschus
pyotr







I've burned old deck boards and had flames leaping 5' off of them.
Definitely not something to do inside. :-)

Puckdropper