On 6/14/2017 1:20 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:

I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.

12' (1/16" increments)
https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premi...dp/B000BQ7WGI/
https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-21...dp/B00002X2GK/
http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-i...y-30-810_1.jpg

The Stanley's have 1/32" markings. The Komelon looks promising, but, it
only has markings on one side of the tape. What's up with that? I'd
like markings on both sides, like most all tapes have, but I want no
1/32 markings anywhere. Pretty sure my 25' and 30' tapes are like this,
but not the short ones I use in my shop.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

Jack wrote:

On 6/14/2017 1:20 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:

I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.

12' (1/16" increments)
https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premi...dp/B000BQ7WGI/
https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-21...dp/B00002X2GK/
http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-i...y-30-810_1.jpg

The Stanley's have 1/32" markings. The Komelon looks promising, but, it
only has markings on one side of the tape. What's up with that? I'd
like markings on both sides, like most all tapes have, but I want no
1/32 markings anywhere. Pretty sure my 25' and 30' tapes are like this,
but not the short ones I use in my shop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e96MF_ldbqk

Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...7116/207191753
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/mil...t-tape-measure
https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.c...-tape-measure/
http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...7116/207191753
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/mil...t-tape-measure
https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.c...-tape-measure/
http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
finger when that thing retracts.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...7116/207191753

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/mil...t-tape-measure

https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.c...-tape-measure/
http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
quickly. ;~)

I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.

Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.




https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
finger when that thing retracts.

Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg

The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949
http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

Jack writes:

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
finger when that thing retracts.

This seems like much ado about little, to me.

It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one that will
satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done the market
research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape - which is the
opposite of 'damn dumb'.

Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and leave the tape
measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or general measurement usage.

"Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when applied
to measurement devices.

On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg

The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949
http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg


I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg


The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg


The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949

http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg



I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.



Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

On 6/22/17 10:23 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Jack writes:

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but
will definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual
fractions marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but
if they have a 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch
markings, on both sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant
collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
the 1 inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg



Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too
long for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop
off a finger when that thing retracts.

This seems like much ado about little, to me.

It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one
that will satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done
the market research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape -
which is the opposite of 'damn dumb'.


Except that Fastcap seems to be in the market of making many different,
specialty tapes for people with different, quirky needs. They seem to
like satisfying the most customers by producing the most, different tape
measures.


Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and
leave the tape measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or
general measurement usage.

"Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when
applied to measurement devices.


It's also rhetorical hyperbole which is perfectly acceptable in casual
conversation between like-minded people sharing their opinions on
different subjects.... which is exactly what we're doing here.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg


The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg


The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949

http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg



I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.



Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg


The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg


The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949

http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg



I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.



Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another
post, that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to
accept enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a
narrow tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)



I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg


The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg


The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949

http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg



I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out
and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a
nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't
find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.



Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another
post, that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to
accept enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a
narrow tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)



I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

-MIKE- wrote in news
On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!



Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

-MIKE- wrote:

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.

Preach it!
IMO it's the 'Hitachi Effect' (when they started making power tools
that resemebled Transformers several years ago.)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5412a2feee.jpg
http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/...ill-Driver.jpg

Hell it's spilled over into toothbrush marketing, vintage holders are obsolete.
https://www.eclectic-ware.com/ac-pro...s-bf770-c1.jpg
http://www.lakewaycosmeticdentistry....hbrush-min.jpg
https://www.defend.com/wp-content/up...hbrushes-1.jpg

On 6/22/2017 1:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.

Preach it!
IMO it's the 'Hitachi Effect' (when they started making power tools
that resemebled Transformers several years ago.)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5412a2feee.jpg
http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/...ill-Driver.jpg

LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

In article om,
Puckdropper says...

-MIKE- wrote in news
On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!



Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper

I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:46:38 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article om,
Puckdropper says...

-MIKE- wrote in news
On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!



Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper

I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.

I'll take your word for it. ;-)

On 6/22/2017 9:59 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...7116/207191753

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg


Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/mil...t-tape-measure

https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.c...-tape-measure/

http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both
sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the
1 inch line. What's up with that?

Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
quickly. ;~)

LOL. You would think people posting pictures of a product would take
pictures that show off the product. This goes for the above tape, but
also the FastCap tape you mentioned that has a blurry photo of the tape
you recommended to me.

I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.

Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.

Yes, one of several reasons I prefer short tapes in my shop, one of
course is smaller tape to lug around and handle, but also the longer the
tape, the more curve so the tape doesn't buckle when extended. Handy for
outside carpenters building houses and sheds, just a nuisance in my
cabinet shop.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 10:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Jack wrote:


One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/up...nylon-mesh.jpg

The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Too...6216/300766949
http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/ta...c-tape-measure
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/...lein/86216.jpg

Sweet. I'm definitely going for the Klien with 1/8th inch markings. I
was going to say I'd like that, but considering the trouble I had (you
didn't) finding one without 1/32nd markings I'm thrilled. (Tingle
running up my leg, just like a liberal) Mike said he can easily judge
halfway between 1/16th marks, I think I can do it between 1/8th inch
marks. I could swear I looked at Kliens before with no luck, guess I
didn't.

Also liked the Milwaukee with the 1/16th markings...

Thanks, you da man, and made an old man happy (tingly)
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Jack writes:

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg

Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
finger when that thing retracts.

This seems like much ado about little, to me.

That's just a value judgement by you, certainly not a universal one.

It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one that will
satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done the market
research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape - which is the
opposite of 'damn dumb'.

Wrong again. Walt found two manufacturers that make the tapes I want,
albiet in 16' lengths rather than 10 or 12, so you can assume they did
the market research to justify elimination of the useless 1/32 marks.

Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and leave the tape
measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or general measurement usage.

Personally I don't, but soon will be using a Klien with 1/8th in markings.

"Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when applied
to measurement devices.

Never once said it was "universal". It is _my_ value judgement based on
_my_ 60 years of experience. You are entitled to your own value
judgements, and you can be certain your value judgments are not
universal if that's what you're claiming.

Anyway, turns out my "value judgements" are popular enough that at least
two manufacturers make what I want, probably more.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 12:24 PM, Leon wrote:

Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

And, they always seem to have 1/32 markings in the first foot. My 16
footers are ok, but a bit too big for my tastes. Seems all the tapes
mentioned here with no 1/32 markings are 16 footers. I think I'm going
with the Klien with 1/8th inch markings. Don't build much anymore, but
think I'll buy one just to reward them for knowing what cabinet makers
need.

BTW, you mentioned you only use tapes to check your measurements, or
something like that. What do you initially measure with if not a tape?

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 12:44 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Damn, wish I would have said that.

Wish I could say that...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 11:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

Thanks Mike, good to know. I've almost given up on finding anything I
drop on the floor. I once dropped a 10mm socket and after minutes,
hours, weeks and months of looking EVERYWHERE, it is gone. I kept
looking EVERYWHERE because it is impossible for something to disappear,
or so I thought. I figured it would eventually show up, but 2 years
later and so far, nada. Didn't fall into piles of rubble either, clean,
concrete floor.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:

LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.

The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/2017 8:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article om,
Puckdropper says...

-MIKE- wrote in news
On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!



Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper

I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.

Real men are color blind?


--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/23/2017 1:32 PM, Jack wrote:
On 6/22/2017 9:59 AM, Leon wrote:
On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...7116/207191753


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1000_.jpg



Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/mil...t-tape-measure


https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.c...-tape-measure/


http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both
sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the
1 inch line. What's up with that?

Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
quickly. ;~)

LOL. You would think people posting pictures of a product would take
pictures that show off the product. This goes for the above tape, but
also the FastCap tape you mentioned that has a blurry photo of the tape
you recommended to me.

You w o u l d think.



I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.

Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.

Yes, one of several reasons I prefer short tapes in my shop, one of
course is smaller tape to lug around and handle, but also the longer the
tape, the more curve so the tape doesn't buckle when extended. Handy for
outside carpenters building houses and sheds, just a nuisance in my
cabinet shop.


On the opposite end of the spectrum, the "white" FastCap tape measure.
Totally flat and pretty much worthless unless you are measuring the
surface of an arc or if you are measuring a horizontal surface.
It's stand off is about 1". ;-)

On 6/22/2017 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article om,
Puckdropper says...

-MIKE- wrote in news
On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!



Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper

I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.



Some people have a hard time focusing when they have heart burn. ;~)

On 6/24/2017 9:29 AM, Jack wrote:
On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:

LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.

The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"



Some guy at the tennis shoe store tried to put me in a white pair of
shoes, I was having nothing to do with that. LOL

BUT the white tennis shoes are not for fashion like all the rest, they
are made for a physical purpose, not to make you like Justin Beaver.

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:08:39 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 6/24/2017 9:29 AM, Jack wrote:
On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:

LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.

The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"



Some guy at the tennis shoe store tried to put me in a white pair of
shoes, I was having nothing to do with that. LOL

BUT the white tennis shoes are not for fashion like all the rest, they
are made for a physical purpose, not to make you like Justin Beaver.

I have a pair of white tennies for the gym, an "identical" pair of
black that I wear for work, and another "identical" gray suede pair
that I wear on the weekend. My feet are a hard fit. ;-)