On 05/27/2017 1:49 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 12:44:50 -0500, wrote:
....

Not all patent claims are defensible...

By that logic, nothing is indefensible. The fact is that the USPTO is
considered by the courts to be the de facto expert in innovation (as
amazing as this is).

Well, there's a defense for everything, true. Not all have the same
probability of succeeding, but was involved in a case years ago where a
similar overly-broad claim was tossed out while another specific claim
within the same was upheld. (It had to do with a basic physical
principle similar to this rather than the specific technology with which
the principle was manipulated. It was on a DOE Q-classified program so
don't think should say what, specifically (who knows what the spooks are
doing looking for old ex-Q-cleared fogies with loose lips? ).)

--

On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:24:20 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 21:26:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/26/2017 6:38 PM,

What makes you say that? I just had a back up camera added, 8 weeks
ago, to my license plate bracket and shows up on my radio/gps screen.
Works pretty good for me.

That's one camera. The integrated units use more than one camera and
stitch the image together to get more of a "surround" view, so the
blind spots disappear.

I'd like to add a backup camera to my truck but I don't have a screen
(well, just a little 4" thing for the radio). It looks like a PITA to
do it any other way.


Got'cha. Just get the replacement rear view mirror model from Best Buy.
I think it would set you back about $300 installed.

Is it normally just a mirror? I don't think I could see it if the
camera is used for normal driving.

In my case the radio intermittently stoped working on my Tundra. I went
with a Pioneer radio/GPS/BU camera.

That's another possibility but the options are really confusing. I
have no interest in running wires throughout the truck. I did that
once for an XM radio and it didn't go well.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 17:27:52 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 05/27/2017 1:49 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 12:44:50 -0500, wrote:
...

Not all patent claims are defensible...

By that logic, nothing is indefensible. The fact is that the USPTO is
considered by the courts to be the de facto expert in innovation (as
amazing as this is).

Well, there's a defense for everything, true. Not all have the same
probability of succeeding, but was involved in a case years ago where a
similar overly-broad claim was tossed out while another specific claim
within the same was upheld. (It had to do with a basic physical
principle similar to this rather than the specific technology with which
the principle was manipulated. It was on a DOE Q-classified program so
don't think should say what, specifically (who knows what the spooks are
doing looking for old ex-Q-cleared fogies with loose lips? ).)

Just to pick a nit, just because a claim was tossed doesn't mean that
no claims are absolute. I've worked with a lot of patents (was a
member of a pretty active patent review board at IBM and am on 16 or
17 - lost count) and Gass' look pretty iron-clad to me. I highly
doubt anyone would bother challenging them now, in any case.

On 5/27/2017 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:24:20 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 21:26:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/26/2017 6:38 PM,

What makes you say that? I just had a back up camera added, 8 weeks
ago, to my license plate bracket and shows up on my radio/gps screen.
Works pretty good for me.

That's one camera. The integrated units use more than one camera and
stitch the image together to get more of a "surround" view, so the
blind spots disappear.

I'd like to add a backup camera to my truck but I don't have a screen
(well, just a little 4" thing for the radio). It looks like a PITA to
do it any other way.


Got'cha. Just get the replacement rear view mirror model from Best Buy.
I think it would set you back about $300 installed.

Is it normally just a mirror? I don't think I could see it if the
camera is used for normal driving.

Yes, Pretty sure they only come on in reverse. But to be safe, confirm.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...60& keys=keys




In my case the radio intermittently stoped working on my Tundra. I went
with a Pioneer radio/GPS/BU camera.

That's another possibility but the options are really confusing. I
have no interest in running wires throughout the truck. I did that
once for an XM radio and it didn't go well.

My install price for the BU camera was $100 and $100 to R& R the radio
install microphone, GPS antenna, wiring harnesses and mounting kit.
Not worth it for me to crawl around under the truck. I was very happy
with install. Wiring was well hidden.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 13:58:57 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/27/2017 1:28 PM, dpb wrote:
On 05/27/2017 11:48 AM, wrote:
...

And that makes perfect sense. Gass may have created an agreement that
required such "hold harmless" language that it was unpalatable to all. I
would if I were him. I wouldn't want to have responsibility for the
installation of my product in a Chinese factory that is cost/production
conscious over QC. Regardless of quality of his product, he can't be
there in China to work the production lines inspecting every saw after
the product goes to full production.

Then again, the Toyota can't know that product _they're_ being supplied
actually meets the spec, either...I'd suspect in this case the worry was
on the other foot about accepting the liability, not in their QC in
using the technology but relying on the technology itself to be faultless.

FWIW Tanaka makes air bags for a lot of major manufacturers, and that
is part of the problem in getting all the suspect bags replaced in a
timely manner. Toyota is in good company and probably could not be
singled out for being negligent for using Tanaka.

Yep. My wife's Mustang has been in the shop twice getting airbags
replaced and they said she'd have to come back at least one more time.
Evidently they can't get them right.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:28:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/27/2017 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:24:20 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 21:26:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/26/2017 6:38 PM,

What makes you say that? I just had a back up camera added, 8 weeks
ago, to my license plate bracket and shows up on my radio/gps screen.
Works pretty good for me.

That's one camera. The integrated units use more than one camera and
stitch the image together to get more of a "surround" view, so the
blind spots disappear.

I'd like to add a backup camera to my truck but I don't have a screen
(well, just a little 4" thing for the radio). It looks like a PITA to
do it any other way.


Got'cha. Just get the replacement rear view mirror model from Best Buy.
I think it would set you back about $300 installed.

Is it normally just a mirror? I don't think I could see it if the
camera is used for normal driving.

Yes, Pretty sure they only come on in reverse. But to be safe, confirm.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...60& keys=keys

Thanks. I'll have to go over to BB and take a look. The descriptions
aren't very clear. OTOH, some of the reviews are useful. Shouldn't
it just replace the existing mirror? Why does it need windshield
attachment hardware?


In my case the radio intermittently stoped working on my Tundra. I went
with a Pioneer radio/GPS/BU camera.

That's another possibility but the options are really confusing. I
have no interest in running wires throughout the truck. I did that
once for an XM radio and it didn't go well.

My install price for the BU camera was $100 and $100 to R& R the radio
install microphone, GPS antenna, wiring harnesses and mounting kit.
Not worth it for me to crawl around under the truck. I was very happy
with install. Wiring was well hidden.

Yeah, for $100, I wouldn't even attempt it.

On 05/27/2017 7:22 PM, wrote:
.... Just to pick a nit, just because a claim was tossed doesn't mean that
no claims are absolute. ...

And, because one was tossed, doesn't mean can't be again.

It's up to Gass to challenge as w/ Bosch and a court to rule...

--

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:22:22 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 05/27/2017 7:22 PM, wrote:
... Just to pick a nit, just because a claim was tossed doesn't mean that
no claims are absolute. ...

And, because one was tossed, doesn't mean can't be again.

Of course but that's not the point.

It's up to Gass to challenge as w/ Bosch and a court to rule...

No, it's up to Bosch to challenge the SS patents. All SS has to do is
sue for damages. The assumption is that their patents are valid as
granted by the USPTO. It's up to Bosch to prove otherwise.

On 5/27/2017 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:28:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/27/2017 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:24:20 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 21:26:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/26/2017 6:38 PM,

What makes you say that? I just had a back up camera added, 8 weeks
ago, to my license plate bracket and shows up on my radio/gps screen.
Works pretty good for me.

That's one camera. The integrated units use more than one camera and
stitch the image together to get more of a "surround" view, so the
blind spots disappear.

I'd like to add a backup camera to my truck but I don't have a screen
(well, just a little 4" thing for the radio). It looks like a PITA to
do it any other way.


Got'cha. Just get the replacement rear view mirror model from Best Buy.
I think it would set you back about $300 installed.

Is it normally just a mirror? I don't think I could see it if the
camera is used for normal driving.

Yes, Pretty sure they only come on in reverse. But to be safe, confirm.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...60& keys=keys

Thanks. I'll have to go over to BB and take a look. The descriptions
aren't very clear. OTOH, some of the reviews are useful. Shouldn't
it just replace the existing mirror? Why does it need windshield
attachment hardware?

I don't recall, but it seems that the new mount handled the wiring in
some way.

You can probably Youtube that model you are interested in and get more
info. I did that with my radio/GPS.







In my case the radio intermittently stoped working on my Tundra. I went
with a Pioneer radio/GPS/BU camera.

That's another possibility but the options are really confusing. I
have no interest in running wires throughout the truck. I did that
once for an XM radio and it didn't go well.

My install price for the BU camera was $100 and $100 to R& R the radio
install microphone, GPS antenna, wiring harnesses and mounting kit.
Not worth it for me to crawl around under the truck. I was very happy
with install. Wiring was well hidden.

Yeah, for $100, I wouldn't even attempt it.

On 5/27/2017 10:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/27/2017 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:28:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/27/2017 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:24:20 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 21:26:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/26/2017 6:38 PM,

What makes you say that? I just had a back up camera added, 8 weeks
ago, to my license plate bracket and shows up on my radio/gps
screen.
Works pretty good for me.

That's one camera. The integrated units use more than one camera and
stitch the image together to get more of a "surround" view, so the
blind spots disappear.

I'd like to add a backup camera to my truck but I don't have a screen
(well, just a little 4" thing for the radio). It looks like a
PITA to
do it any other way.


Got'cha. Just get the replacement rear view mirror model from
Best Buy.
I think it would set you back about $300 installed.

Is it normally just a mirror? I don't think I could see it if the
camera is used for normal driving.

Yes, Pretty sure they only come on in reverse. But to be safe, confirm.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...60& keys=keys


Thanks. I'll have to go over to BB and take a look. The descriptions
aren't very clear. OTOH, some of the reviews are useful. Shouldn't
it just replace the existing mirror? Why does it need windshield
attachment hardware?

I don't recall, but it seems that the new mount handled the wiring in
some way.

You can probably Youtube that model you are interested in and get more
info. I did that with my radio/GPS.







In my case the radio intermittently stoped working on my Tundra. I
went
with a Pioneer radio/GPS/BU camera.

That's another possibility but the options are really confusing. I
have no interest in running wires throughout the truck. I did that
once for an XM radio and it didn't go well.

My install price for the BU camera was $100 and $100 to R& R the radio
install microphone, GPS antenna, wiring harnesses and mounting kit.
Not worth it for me to crawl around under the truck. I was very happy
with install. Wiring was well hidden.

Yeah, for $100, I wouldn't even attempt it.


One more FWIW. Most all auto radio shops sell the back up mirrors too.

wrote in
:

Yep. My wife's Mustang has been in the shop twice getting airbags
replaced and they said she'd have to come back at least one more time.
Evidently they can't get them right.


Maybe they just like looking at your wife's airbags?

*grinning, ducking, and running!*

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

On 05/27/2017 1:58 PM, Leon wrote:
....

... Toyota is in good company and probably could not be singled out
for being negligent for using Tanaka.

Wasn't "singling them out", just using as an example of what can happen
from the side of the user of the second-source product as far as
potential liability and cost. Bad enough when it's just a
performance/longevity issue; when it's a safety-related function all xxx
breaks loose and stakes are raised.

'Splains pretty clearly imo why the vendors weren't just falling all
over themselves to sign up w/ Gass even if he weren't the gasshole some
have been opined he may be (and he certainly is aggressive-enough that
it couldn't have been easy negotiating just on the financial side,
liability issues be d-d).

....

I was under the impression that the tiny SC plant was manufacturing a
few tools, specifically the new Unisaw, I watched a tour of the plant.
Did that change?

Well, if the Woodcraft announcement is correct, I guess so, maybe. But
are they actually doing castings, machining, etc., etc., etc., ... here
or just shipping in parts for assembly?

The website is terrible; the home page won't even load here today; find
nothing touting "built in USA" which would think would be a big deal if
really so...

Upshot, "I dunno!"

Performax disappeared shortly after I bought mine quite a few years ago.
The Jet version is/was identical. IIRC Performax was owned by the same
as Jet and Powermatic.

Yeah, they bought 'em up, closed 'em down, it seems...one way to
minimize/eliminate competition...

--

On 05/28/2017 12:23 PM, dpb wrote:
On 05/27/2017 1:58 PM, Leon wrote:
....

Performax disappeared shortly after I bought mine quite a few years ago.
The Jet version is/was identical. IIRC Performax was owned by the same
as Jet and Powermatic.

Yeah, they bought 'em up, closed 'em down, it seems...one way to
minimize/eliminate competition...

Actually, there's the route Gass could emulate if he wants market
dominance and not have to rely on the gummint to do it for him at all!

--

On 28 May 2017 04:20:13 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

wrote in
:

Yep. My wife's Mustang has been in the shop twice getting airbags
replaced and they said she'd have to come back at least one more time.
Evidently they can't get them right.


Maybe they just like looking at your wife's airbags?

*grinning, ducking, and running!*

When I get home on nice days, I often ask if she'd been driving around
with her top down, scaring small children. We were out driving last
week and I remarked that she had her top down and skirt up (blowing in
the wind).

On 5/28/2017 5:39 PM, wrote:
On 28 May 2017 04:20:13 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

wrote in
:

Yep. My wife's Mustang has been in the shop twice getting airbags
replaced and they said she'd have to come back at least one more time.
Evidently they can't get them right.


Maybe they just like looking at your wife's airbags?

*grinning, ducking, and running!*

When I get home on nice days, I often ask if she'd been driving around
with her top down, scaring small children. We were out driving last
week and I remarked that she had her top down and skirt up (blowing in
the wind).


Once women get to a certain age, they have to wear a bra to prevent knee
injury.

On 5/23/2017 8:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2017 23:31:07 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:43:51 -0400, woodchucker wrote:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2017...ules-tablesaws

If they mandate a "safer" saw the population will build a better idiot. It's a miracle our forefathers
survive?

What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no one.
Requiring everyone riding in a car wear a crash helmet costing less than
a saw stop device would save a ton of lives every year, while banning
table saws completely would not save one life....

Also, everyone seems to accept the 55,000 table saw injuries/year. I
NEVER trust this type of government statistic. How did they get the
count? What constitutes medical treatment (band aid, tourniquet) What
constitutes table saw injury (stubbed toe on stand, dropped blade on
bare foot, electrocuted when saw not grounded, stabbed by kickback,
sawdust in eye)

Personally, I believe in freedom of competition. If people want safer
saws, they will get them with no help needed by some lame ass socialist
government hack.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 5/23/2017 4:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

Great, this bull**** again. Would the Earth please open up and swallow
Gass and his company?

Amen brother.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:


What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no one.

Chop saw can though.
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...s-death.52311/

Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat
AP,

November 21, 2016
DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) — Authorities have identified a construction worker
who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked
back and hit him in the throat.

The Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office says 28-year-old Jason
Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an
underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday
afternoon in Duxbury.

Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using “became bound”
and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.

Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play
is not suspected.

In article , says...

On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:


What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no one.

Chop saw can though.
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...s-death.52311/

Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat
AP,

November 21, 2016
DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) ? Authorities have identified a construction worker
who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked
back and hit him in the throat.

The Plymouth County District Attorney?s Office says 28-year-old Jason
Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an
underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday
afternoon in Duxbury.

Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using ?became bound?
and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.

Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play
is not suspected.

I'm having trouble picturing the geometry there. Unless something broke.
Or "chop saw" means something other than what I think it means.

On 5/29/2017 10:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:


What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no one.

Chop saw can though.
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...s-death.52311/

Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat
AP,

November 21, 2016
DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) ? Authorities have identified a construction worker
who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked
back and hit him in the throat.

The Plymouth County District Attorney?s Office says 28-year-old Jason
Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an
underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday
afternoon in Duxbury.

Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using ?became bound?
and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.

Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play
is not suspected.

I'm having trouble picturing the geometry there. Unless something broke.
Or "chop saw" means something other than what I think it means.

Probably something like this.

Typically "chop saws" are not used for cutting wood.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...JeHRoCJzTw_wcB

On 5/29/2017 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/29/2017 10:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:


What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no
one.

Chop saw can though.
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...s-death.52311/

Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat
AP,

November 21, 2016
DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) ? Authorities have identified a construction worker
who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked
back and hit him in the throat.

The Plymouth County District Attorney?s Office says 28-year-old Jason
Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an
underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday
afternoon in Duxbury.

Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using ?became bound?
and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.

Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play
is not suspected.

I'm having trouble picturing the geometry there. Unless something broke.
Or "chop saw" means something other than what I think it means.

Probably something like this.

Typically "chop saws" are not used for cutting wood.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...JeHRoCJzTw_wcB




We know that but most new reporters don't. Anything that cuts they call
a chop saw it seems. It sounds like the saw, not material being cut
kicked back so it could be saw like you show here.

Most any tool can kill you if improperly used or unusual circumstances.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:47:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/29/2017 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/29/2017 10:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:


What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box
cutters?

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no
one.

Chop saw can though.
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threa...s-death.52311/

Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat
AP,

November 21, 2016
DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) ? Authorities have identified a construction worker
who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked
back and hit him in the throat.

The Plymouth County District Attorney?s Office says 28-year-old Jason
Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an
underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday
afternoon in Duxbury.

Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using ?became bound?
and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.

Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play
is not suspected.

I'm having trouble picturing the geometry there. Unless something broke.
Or "chop saw" means something other than what I think it means.

Probably something like this.

Typically "chop saws" are not used for cutting wood.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...JeHRoCJzTw_wcB




We know that but most new reporters don't. Anything that cuts they call
a chop saw it seems. It sounds like the saw, not material being cut
kicked back so it could be saw like you show here.

Most any tool can kill you if improperly used or unusual circumstances.

That's the whole point. It's government's job to protect you because
"we" know you're an idiot who can't take care of himself. Just send
us all your money and "we" will make sure you have enough bubble wrap
for life.

dpb writes:
On 05/26/2017 1:33 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes:

If had the time, it would be interesting to try to actually delve into
the data itself, but it's planting season and then harvest and then and
and then and and...

Hey, at least you're not walking the rows of soybeans with a cornknife
cutting lamb's quarters and ragweed. Oh my aching back.

My grandfather refused to use herbicides, and when the beans got
tall enough, the cultivator on the Farmall B was no longer useful,
so the grandkids earned a bit of spending money.

He also was using a binder and threshing machine until the late 70's,
hot, sweaty, dusty work - particularly baling up the pile of straw.



Were doing the row crop work with Farmall M's then--4 row lister, knife

We had a big Minneapolis Moline (unknown model, hand clutch) for most
row-crop work (and pulling the haybaler) with the Farmall B as a
utility tractor. The threshing rig was shared between my Grandfather
and one of the neighbors who had a Farmall M, H and super-C. We used
the "M" to run the threshing machine.

Other side of the family was all Massey Harris/Ferguson (modern AGco)
and a Ford 8N.


When we moved to TN was an area still raising a lot of tobacco -- they
let school out early in spring to let kids help with planting which was
done by hand and then again in fall for picking. Was plenty of hoe and
other handwork for 'em all in between as well. Really knew had had it
easy as a kid when watching them...

The summer job in our area was mostly detassling corn(maize) in the 70's.

On 05/30/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes:
On 05/26/2017 1:33 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes:

....

Were doing the row crop work with Farmall M's then--4 row lister, knife

We had a big Minneapolis Moline (unknown model, hand clutch) for most
row-crop work (and pulling the haybaler) with the Farmall B as a
utility tractor. The threshing rig was shared between my Grandfather
and one of the neighbors who had a Farmall M, H and super-C. We used
the "M" to run the threshing machine.

Other side of the family was all Massey Harris/Ferguson (modern AGco)
and a Ford 8N.

The equivalent for us would have been an old Twin City (iron converted
to rubber) precursor to M-M excepting it was the flat ground
beastie...the M's were the rowcrop versions.

From them the progress went thru the Farmall 400, then 560. That was
the last Farmall; it had terrible tranny issues and then was when Deere
introduced the 4000 series and Dad bought the first 4010 diesel and
never looked back.

Had a parallel line of Allis-Chalmers; grandfather had bought a little
WD-45 in mid 50s when he was getting where the M's were a little more
than he wanted to handle. Had a whole line of the "quick-tach"
proprietary 3-pt system implements with it. In '58 had first really
good wheat crop after the dry 50s and Dad updated it to a D-17 as well
as getting wheatland Case 930 and the aforementioned 4010. I put a
zillion hours on that D17 doing rowcrop with it...my brother hated the
row crop because had to pay so much attention to drive straight rows --
we were listing 4, knife-sledding/cultivating 6 and cutting 5 at the
time so a bad spacing meant a lot of lost crop. I, otoh, hated the
boredom of just going 'round 'n 'round in a square on the wheat ground!

....

Eventually, of course, everything got much bigger and the D-17 became
the utility tractor. It was pretty ideal for the time with low/wide
wheel base and a loader. It's the one besides the old Cat 22 I wish had
one of for collection/nostalgia.

The summer job in our area was mostly detassling corn(maize) in the 70's.

Never understood that one, really? Purpose? Need? Be awfully tough on
something like 60 circles on 20" rows with 25-30,000 plants/A.

Being all dryland, only corn we ever grew was a small sweet corn patch
that might (or might not) make any roasting ears depending on the year
and whether it rained at right time or not...

dpb writes:
On 05/30/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:


The summer job in our area was mostly detasseling corn(maize) in the 70's.

Never understood that one, really? Purpose? Need? Be awfully tough on
something like 60 circles on 20" rows with 25-30,000 plants/A.

The detasseling was for seed corn production.

On 05/31/2017 7:49 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
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The detasseling was for seed corn production.

Ah, yeah...wasn't thinkin'..

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