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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 4/21/2017 8:00 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Living with the threat vs. somewhere else probably gives you a better understanding of the risks. We have all read of the big one way back when when, it was mass destruction. BUT that was from fires and broken water lines. I would imagine in the hundred years since, the advancements in engineering would less the blow considerably. Oh, there's no doubt that San Franciscians took it to heart immediately. The water infrastructure was improved, construction standards changed after every major California earthquake incorporating lessons learned. Because of that the damage to SF in 1989 wasn't particularly major outside of the Marina district. In the financial district where the 50+ story towers are, they all survived intact. They did end up tearing down the Embarcadero freeway (another double decker), but that's more due to folks disliking it esthetically rather than due to cost to repair. (The supervisors had voted to tear it down four years before the quake). I must say that the boulevard that replaced it is esthetically much nicer, but traffic on the embarcadero can be slow, particularly on weekends with all the weekenders heading to the wharf, Fort Mason and Ghiradelli Square. http://www.upout.com/blog/san-franci...eway-came-down |
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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:50:11 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
Nicely done...only comment/suggestion I'd make would be to have used one board for the top/bottom stiles so would have unbroken grain across both when closed...now it jars (my eye, anyway) where they meet...probably go away to a large extent when finished, but... I was wondering when someone would comment on that, because I would have. :-) That was actually my plan when I was laying out and cutting the boards, but the client said it would look "too matched" and not barn door enough. Around here they aren't just using these barn door installs as closet or room doors. The fad here is to use them as room dividers. My client screwed around too long with his plans and then way out of budget so I didn't get the job. Thankfully! But he did do a couple of things that he wanted. They actually looked nice as they have a "country" kind of rustic look to their house. On one side they had the build made to look like a giant fence gate, stiles and a diagonal brace. Painted a kind of red primer color, very rustic. It went well with their rustic kitchen. The other side (think 10' ceilings and barn doors to match) was simply the long boards cut to the same lengths. The wood was a weathered look with kind of a satin/black wash on it. So it looked good on the kitchen side as it had one distinct look, and it looked like a wood wall feature on the other side. I could see there was some care in making the project look the way the customer wanted. Rustic enough to look like a decorating statement, but the joinery/fit/finish just tight enough to look good. Robert |
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On 04/21/2017 9:50 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
.... That was actually my plan when I was laying out and cutting the boards, but the client said it would look "too matched" and not barn door enough. Well, I did it on the two matching barn doors, so she's not totally correct there! :) Altho they're painted and it was more for convenience rather than actually grain-matching, but needn't tell anybody... -- |
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In some circles its called Shabby Chique. I call it Crappy Crud.
My current house (been here since 2005 now) had been on the market for a while because of this ****. I took the stupid rolling barn door off the pantry and sold it at a yard sale. Boom gone. The inane corrugated metal they had covering lot of the walls came down even quicker. I only bought it because I could see there really was a house behind their pile of refuse. |
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"Bob La Londe" writes:
In some circles its called Shabby Chique. I call it Crappy Crud. My current house (been here since 2005 now) had been on the market for a while because of this ****. I took the stupid rolling barn door off the pantry and sold it at a yard sale. Boom gone. The inane corrugated metal they had covering lot of the walls came down even quicker. I only bought it because I could see there really was a house behind their pile of refuse. There is no accounting for taste. Your taste or theirs. |
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On 4/21/17 1:32 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
In some circles its called Shabby Chique. I call it Crappy Crud. My current house (been here since 2005 now) had been on the market for a while because of this ****. I took the stupid rolling barn door off the pantry and sold it at a yard sale. Boom gone. The inane corrugated metal they had covering lot of the walls came down even quicker. I only bought it because I could see there really was a house behind their pile of refuse. That was funny! :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:04:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. Do these doors work independently or together? |
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On 4/21/2017 5:45 PM, swalker wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:04:45 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. Do these doors work independently or together? Typically doors that work together have cables that tun through pulleys. I do not see any of that going on. |
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On 4/21/17 5:45 PM, swalker wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:04:45 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. Do these doors work independently or together? Independent. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:37:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/20/2017 5:15 PM, OFWW wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. :) 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. Tornado's Earth Quakes, and Hurricanes. I'll take tornado's over the other two for one reason, life immediately after the event. A tornado is very destructive as are earth quakes and hurricanes. I have been in 5 hurricanes, the third when I was 15. I thought I was going to die in that hurricane. Anyway it was a direct hit on the the Corpus Christi area. It took months to to even think about having repairs made to your home. And that was probably 20-30 thousand residences. An earth quake is going to likely deliver the same life changing event for tens of thousands of families. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. And after a tornado you can usually guy groceries, gasoline and probably go to work the next day for the vast majority. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. I hear what you are saying... ;~) BUT until you actually live with, and maybe you have, the reality of the aftermath of a large event it is hard to understand the complexity of the problems. I haven't lived through floods, like in Texas and elsewhere. And I hope never to. I can remember flying over the middle of the USA after the giant flooding in the midwest and seeing mile after mile after mile flooded no matter where you looked. I think it was in the middle 70's. Then seeing the recent floods in Texas and the south. Shudder the thought, especially for the old folks, or the invalid. When you stop and consider, none of it has a personal upside, except for the work generated out of it. I was glad to hear of laws against unreasonable profiting from such situations. Insurance companies help with damage to your home but you rely on the local government to clear the debris, rebuild bridges, replace broken water lines, restore electricity so that repairs can actually begin. Only if you carry the pertinent insurance addon's. Even so they try to cut their losses. I would venture to say that a, quick and it is done, earth quake might be one that does not do a lot of damage. My nephew and niece and their families live in Edmund, OK. They have earth quakes pretty often, not terrible ones but enough to crack the walls and such. BUT in those areas that are on faults, like California, a big quake is typically followed with days of after shocks that would or can continue to do extensive damage. The bulk of damage is on initial impact, the aftershock just enhance the previous damage and make it more visible, as a rule. From what I understand, out west we are in a better place in spite of the Pacific Rim crap, as we have a rock based land, whereas in the midwest they don't and so the shockwave's carry far. I just hope whatever happens Texas survives it all. I consider it my safety net when the USA falls apart and the Republic of Texas arises. :) My escape place. FWIW Harris county/ Houston, Texas has more tornadoes than any where else in the U.S. We have had 7~8 this month. Not big ones but in their small paths they do some destruction. At least the city goes on with its business the next day, not so with a hurricane. |
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On 4/21/2017 8:07 PM, OFWW wrote:
I just hope whatever happens Texas survives it all. I consider it my safety net when the USA falls apart and the Republic of Texas arises. :) My escape place. ;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 22:48:46 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/21/2017 8:07 PM, OFWW wrote: I just hope whatever happens Texas survives it all. I consider it my safety net when the USA falls apart and the Republic of Texas arises. :) My escape place. ;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. SWMBO was born in Texas and says that when Texas secedes, she'll claim her natural born citizenship rights. ;-) |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:8-Sdne5H7a00T2fFnZ2dnUU7-
: On 4/21/2017 8:07 PM, OFWW wrote: I just hope whatever happens Texas survives it all. I consider it my safety net when the USA falls apart and the Republic of Texas arises. :) My escape place. ;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. Do you guys have big corn fields in Texas? I think I'd miss them. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5, wrote:
;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. Do you guys have big corn fields in Texas? I think I'd miss them. Yessir. Only about 3 MILLION acres of it! Robert |
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On 04/22/2017 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: ;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. Do you guys have big corn fields in Texas? I think I'd miss them. Yessir. Only about 3 MILLION acres of it! There's some, but nothing approaching corn belt... Planted acres https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Crops_County/cr-pl.php Harvested acres https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Crops_County/cr-ha.php Grain Production https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and...nty/cr-pr.php? Even KS(!) has almost 5 M A grain corn + another 0.5M A for silage. I don't know what acreage in IA must be; other than IA isn't all that big comparatively as a state holds it back... :) -- |
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dpb wrote in :
On 04/22/2017 1:55 PM, wrote: On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: ;!) Yeah, Texas offers most everything. Do you guys have big corn fields in Texas? I think I'd miss them. Yessir. Only about 3 MILLION acres of it! There's some, but nothing approaching corn belt... Planted acres https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Crops_County/cr-pl.php Harvested acres https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Crops_County/cr-ha.php Grain Production https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and...nty/cr-pr.php? Even KS(!) has almost 5 M A grain corn + another 0.5M A for silage. I don't know what acreage in IA must be; other than IA isn't all that big comparatively as a state holds it back... :) I've lived in dark green areas (from the first map) most my life. Seeing corn is as normal as seeing cows between my aunt and grandma's house. The great thing about those dark green areas is that the entire world begins anew every 3-4 months. Planting: the corn starts turning the brown/black soil to a bushy green. Growing: The roads turn into a kind of tunnel. Harvest: neat nooks and crannies develop. Winter: You can see for miles and miles. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On 04/23/2017 12:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
.... I've lived in dark green areas (from the first map) most my life. Seeing corn is as normal as seeing cows between my aunt and grandma's house. The great thing about those dark green areas is that the entire world begins anew every 3-4 months. Planting: the corn starts turning the brown/black soil to a bushy green. Growing: The roads turn into a kind of tunnel. Harvest: neat nooks and crannies develop. Winter: You can see for miles and miles. We're one of those in the tier in the SW corner KS...it's almost all irrigated, though, so isn't planted full up to the sides of the roads continuously as is in IA, say. Corners are dedicated to dryland wheat or sometimes milo or often enrolled in CRP grass. So, it's not closed in out here; we can see horizon 20+ mi away virtually all the time unless you're out in it directly. The high-production areas on the map in TX panhandle are similar as well...the south TX stuff along the Rio Grand up from the Gulf above Brownsville is a lot of sweet corn including maternal grandparents old place that uncle/cousins have now...it's much smaller scale/different style farming down there...truck farming, citrus, etc., than commodity grain production... -- |
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OFWW writes:
Considering all the historic quakes on this fault, I find that statement to be implausible, if not completely false. Particularly given Loma Prieta, which was the San Andreas and didn't destroy either SF or Berkeley. No more than Northridge or Sylmar destroyed LA. Actually the damage to LA was great. Not when compared with 1906. And that's because of lessons learned from Long Beach and Sylmar. From a cost basis, it cost less than Katrina. Yes, it caused damage, for the most part relatively minor, and the bulk of which affected soft-story apartment buildings in the valley. the Northridge/SM earthquake damage was wide spread. Houses shaken off their foundations, buildings cracked, just to name a few. As far as downtown proper then the Burbank earthquake did more. |
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On 04/24/2017 8:28 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: Considering all the historic quakes on this fault, I find that statement to be implausible, if not completely false. Particularly given Loma Prieta, which was the San Andreas and didn't destroy either SF or Berkeley. No more than Northridge or Sylmar destroyed LA. Actually the damage to LA was great. Not when compared with 1906. And that's because of lessons learned from Long Beach and Sylmar. From a cost basis, it cost less than Katrina. Yes, it caused damage, for the most part relatively minor, and the bulk of which affected soft-story apartment buildings in the valley. .... All will depend on precise location and intensity...1906 was roughly 7.7-7.9 only 2 mi off coast of SF; 1989 was 6.9 (10X less energy) and roughly 50-60 mi S. In contrast, New Madrid 1811 comprised of a ~7.7 followed by a 7.4 "aftershock" only 6 hours later the same day and another ~7.4 roughly 5 weeks after. At that time the area was pretty-much still undeveloped so not a lot of structural damage. Created what is now Reelfoot Lake; eyewitness accounts say south of the location the Mississippi R ran backwards for several minutes while the new depression created filled... -- |
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On 04/24/2017 9:05 AM, dpb wrote:
.... All will depend on precise location and intensity...1906 was roughly 7.7-7.9 only 2 mi off coast of SF; 1989 was 6.9 (10X less energy) and roughly 50-60 mi S. .... Been _a_long_time_ since did any of the earthquake study work for the DOE facilities wherein had to do some reading-up, but iirc at least then the thinking was that because the San Andreas fault lies roughly 8-10 mi in depth, it's top potential is in the neighborhood of 8 on Richter scale. So, the upper-7's are getting close. OTOH, Alaska 1964(?) was like 9.0-9.2 and the Chilean in early '60s was largest recorded at 9.5. Something like that, if it were to actually occur much of anywhere in the CA fault area would be truly devastating. That's kinda' what most people envision in "the big one" for CA, but afaik, while there's inevitably going to be more major quakes, that magnitude isn't thought to be likely at all, fortunately. The _real_ US disaster will be when the Yellowstone caldera goes "boom" again... -- |
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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message ... "Bob La Londe" writes: In some circles its called Shabby Chique. I call it Crappy Crud. My current house (been here since 2005 now) had been on the market for a while because of this ****. I took the stupid rolling barn door off the pantry and sold it at a yard sale. Boom gone. The inane corrugated metal they had covering lot of the walls came down even quicker. I only bought it because I could see there really was a house behind their pile of refuse. ** There is no accounting for taste. Your taste or theirs. That's certainly true. Although they took my first offer without countering. I guess I wasn't the only one who didn't share their tastes. |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:34:22 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 04/24/2017 9:05 AM, dpb wrote: ... All will depend on precise location and intensity...1906 was roughly 7.7-7.9 only 2 mi off coast of SF; 1989 was 6.9 (10X less energy) and roughly 50-60 mi S. ... Been _a_long_time_ since did any of the earthquake study work for the DOE facilities wherein had to do some reading-up, but iirc at least then the thinking was that because the San Andreas fault lies roughly 8-10 mi in depth, it's top potential is in the neighborhood of 8 on Richter scale. So, the upper-7's are getting close. OTOH, Alaska 1964(?) was like 9.0-9.2 and the Chilean in early '60s was largest recorded at 9.5. Something like that, if it were to actually occur much of anywhere in the CA fault area would be truly devastating. That's kinda' what most people envision in "the big one" for CA, but afaik, while there's inevitably going to be more major quakes, that magnitude isn't thought to be likely at all, fortunately. The _real_ US disaster will be when the Yellowstone caldera goes "boom" again... BOY HOWDY! That is supposed to effectively wipe out many states, totally. |
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OFWW writes:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:22 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: OFWW writes: Considering all the historic quakes on this fault, I find that statement to be implausible, if not completely false. Particularly given Loma Prieta, which was the San Andreas and didn't destroy either SF or Berkeley. No more than Northridge or Sylmar destroyed LA. Actually the damage to LA was great. Not when compared with 1906. And that's because of lessons learned from Long Beach and Sylmar. From a cost basis, it cost less than Katrina. Yes, it caused damage, for the most part relatively minor, and the bulk of which affected soft-story apartment buildings in the valley. Sylmar was way after 1906, Long beach I don't remember, I do remember the earthquake in Bakersfield. Sylmar was 1971. Long Beach was 1934. In both cases, building codes were changed immediately thereafter statewide. |
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On 04/28/2017 7:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
.... building codes were changed immediately thereafter statewide. Which is all well and good for what has been built since; doesn't help the 100 yo infrastructure like the gas distribution system, etc., etc., ... And, of course, we'll learn how effective the Code changes were, too... -- |
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dpb writes:
On 04/28/2017 7:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: ... building codes were changed immediately thereafter statewide. Which is all well and good for what has been built since; doesn't help the 100 yo infrastructure like the gas distribution system, etc., etc., ... There's very little "100 yo" _anything_ in California. And, of course, we'll learn how effective the Code changes were, too... We did learn that they were _very_ effective in 1987, 1989 and 1992. Particularly bolting the frame to the foundation, which, IIRC, was proposed after 1934 (long beach). |
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On 04/28/2017 1:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: .... Which is all well and good for what has been built since; doesn't help the 100 yo infrastructure like the gas distribution system, etc., etc., ... There's very little "100 yo" _anything_ in California. .... I suspect a fair amount of LA County (say) gas distribution is quite a lot older than you may think plus other metro areas have also been around for quite a while. -- |
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On 04/28/2017 5:32 PM, dpb wrote:
On 04/28/2017 1:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: writes: ... Which is all well and good for what has been built since; doesn't help the 100 yo infrastructure like the gas distribution system, etc., etc., ... There's very little "100 yo" _anything_ in California. ... I suspect a fair amount of LA County (say) gas distribution is quite a lot older than you may think plus other metro areas have also been around for quite a while. .... "The pipe that caused the destruction at UCLA was 93 years old (from 1921), but that's on the younger side of things; the LA Times says most pipes were installed around 1910" I didn't find specifics on gas which is a key component in fire after EQ, but I'd be surprised if the same general time frame isn't quite common for the larger mains. -- |
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