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Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
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Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
Spalted Walt wrote:
"We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design I have a hunch the former style will have a Much longer lifetime. I've repaired/maintained a few tables, and I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. I suspect that the "mortise" is the weak spot---partcularly if it's cut in particle board. By the way, don't underlook "duct tape" as a possible repair medium--assuming no one looks under your tables. PDAMHIKT. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000
Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design cheap crappy usable choose two and it seems people are happy with cheap and usable because they keep buying it will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design Just don't let your kids stand on the table. I'd expect the load limit to be appreciably less than the table with aprons and corner braces... |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:43:29 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000 Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design cheap crappy usable choose two and it seems people are happy with cheap and usable because they keep buying it will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care Need a box for the 3D printer I'm building. Using an $8 IKEA end/side table as the structure and will add hinged plexiglas sides (for access & visibility). Basically, I'm making a cube with no bottom. I get precut and finished pieces that create a (mostly) square frame that's the correct size - and for less than the lumber and paint would cost. Durabililty? Unless I drop the table, it should survive well. The only weight on the table will be the filament spools (about 1kg each). Cheap? Yes. Ugly? Probably. OK for sitting on the workbench? Definitely. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
Larry Kraus wrote:
On 1/11/2017 3:39 PM, Bill wrote: Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design I have a hunch the former style will have a Much longer lifetime. I've repaired/maintained a few tables, and I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. I suspect that the "mortise" is the weak spot---partcularly if it's cut in particle board. By the way, don't underlook "duct tape" as a possible repair medium--assuming no one looks under your tables. PDAMHIKT. The linked article (http://www.core77.com/posts/27726/ik...le-board-27726) shows that the design is move away from particle board, using solid wood frames in a torsion box construction. The "wavy" mortise & tenon would never hold up in particle board. I'm not sure that most of the parties involved really want it to hold up for a long time...otherwise, you woodn't need to replace it... |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:43:29 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000 Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design cheap crappy usable choose two and it seems people are happy with cheap and usable because they keep buying it will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care I don't much care for IKEA furniture (I have one drawer unit that our printer sits on) but they're a great source for butcher block slabs. Put an apron on it and they make a rather nice table. ;-) |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/11/2017 3:39 PM, Bill wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design I have a hunch the former style will have a Much longer lifetime. I've repaired/maintained a few tables, and I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. I suspect that the "mortise" is the weak spot---partcularly if it's cut in particle board. By the way, don't underlook "duct tape" as a possible repair medium--assuming no one looks under your tables. PDAMHIKT. The linked article (http://www.core77.com/posts/27726/ik...le-board-27726) shows that the design is move away from particle board, using solid wood frames in a torsion box construction. The "wavy" mortise & tenon would never hold up in particle board. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 01/11/2017 02:39 PM, Bill wrote:
I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. It's not intended to be. Engineering is about design for an intended purpose. These tables are intended to be inexpensive to buy and replace, rarely to fix. They are not heirlooms. For many people, they're the first piece of new "furniture" they buy on their way up the economic food chain. FWIW, I also buy the occasional tool at HF if I don't need to use it in heavy duty or continuous application... |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 01/11/2017 04:36 PM, ads wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design Just don't let your kids stand on the table. I'd expect the load limit to be appreciably less than the table with aprons and corner braces... If you allow your children to stand on a table, I'd suggest the problem is parenting, not the table :) |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 01/11/2017 02:39 PM, Bill wrote: I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. It's not intended to be. Engineering is about design for an intended purpose. *Whose* intended purpose (in this case)? ; ) These tables are intended to be inexpensive to buy and replace, rarely to fix. They are not heirlooms. For many people, they're the first piece of new "furniture" they buy on their way up the economic food chain. FWIW, I also buy the occasional tool at HF if I don't need to use it in heavy duty or continuous application... |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 12:06:35 PM UTC-8, Spalted Walt wrote:
"We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design OK, it's a variation on a pocket keyhole that engages a wooden head. The head is tripled, and cut curvy so after it bottoms, it'l at least start to slide into the narrow part where it'll hold. I'd be tempted to brush a little linseed oil into the receiving slot before assembly. There's some interesting puzzle-box possibilities, after joining a panel you could slide a second panel into position that blocks the first from loosening. I could produce such a router bit with a few minutes of grinding, on a straight bit, and make the dowels by working the router bit against a blank in a lathe. You could use it, for instance, to mount a skirt to a tabletop. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/11/2017 11:33 PM, Bill wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 01/11/2017 02:39 PM, Bill wrote: I think the new design is (1) Not as strong and (2) More difficult to repair. It's not intended to be. Engineering is about design for an intended purpose. *Whose* intended purpose (in this case)? ; ) Manufacturing. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
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Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:04:32 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-12, wrote: will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care I figure the later. My ex taught me about antiques. Costly? Yes. Worth it? Yes. Anecdote: Went to the closest Ikea to see what all the hub-bub was. Found early CFL light-bulbs for 1/3rd what HD was charging. Then, after going thru their "maze", was dumped at the gardening/return section, jes before the exit door. Got to see all the returned junk and why it had been returned. Scary! I quit shopping at Ikea. ;) nb Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? I buy lots of consumables (vinyl/nitrile gloves, zip-ties, etc.) at Harbor Freight because they are cheaper there than anywhere else. All it takes is a little discipline to avoid buying the stuff that sucks. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/12/2017 8:26 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:04:32 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote: On 2017-01-12, wrote: will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care I figure the later. My ex taught me about antiques. Costly? Yes. Worth it? Yes. Anecdote: Went to the closest Ikea to see what all the hub-bub was. Found early CFL light-bulbs for 1/3rd what HD was charging. Then, after going thru their "maze", was dumped at the gardening/return section, jes before the exit door. Got to see all the returned junk and why it had been returned. Scary! I quit shopping at Ikea. ;) nb Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? I buy lots of consumables (vinyl/nitrile gloves, zip-ties, etc.) at Harbor Freight because they are cheaper there than anywhere else. All it takes is a little discipline to avoid buying the stuff that sucks. Discipline or a sense of smell. If it does not smell right is it not right. ;~) |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 2017-01-12, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? Actually, I did. I came back (with a friend) and purchased a hanging kitchen rack. Again, 1/3rd of what everone else was charging. OTOH, I looked at a Captain's bed for my daughter. You know, a single bed with under bed storage drawers? I looked closely. All fiberboard! Jes like Levitz! Nevermind. ;) nb |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/12/2017 9:24 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-12, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? Actually, I did. I came back (with a friend) and purchased a hanging kitchen rack. Again, 1/3rd of what everone else was charging. OTOH, I looked at a Captain's bed for my daughter. You know, a single bed with under bed storage drawers? I looked closely. All fiberboard! Jes like Levitz! Nevermind. ;) nb I will say this about that type furniture. It is good and lasts a long time as long as you never move it after assembly. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 2017-01-12, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
I will say this about that type furniture. It is good and lasts a long time as long as you never move it after assembly. True enough. I hadda huge fiberboard bookcase. You know, the kind with the lead slug inserts, in which to attach the fasteners. Lasted forever .....until I moved. It disintergrated upon disassembly and I tossed it in the dumpster. nb |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/11/2017 4:43 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:06:28 +0000 Spalted Walt wrote: "We don't need no stinking aprons." http://www.core77.com/posts/59321/Ho...g-Their-Design cheap crappy usable choose two and it seems people are happy with cheap and usable because they keep buying it will there be a trend back to well made furnishings or will the masses just not care When our daughter was a small child we bought several items from Ikea. There were no heirlooms, to be sure, but most of them had a pleasing "clean lines" style and did the job. Her "high-bed" was an unqualified success, actually; sturdy enough, with lots of room underneath for storage and play and inexpensive enough to make sense for the few years she would use it. The cubbyhole bookcases we bought were chipboard, of course, but the "beech" veneer had a nice color to it the cubbies held an awful lot of stuff that needed holding. A couple of years later, we decided to buy a dressers for our daughter's room. In the interim, the quality had deteriorated noticeably. For one thing, the two units must have been from different batches; the stain didn't match. In the previous incarnation of Ikea, they'd have shipped a replacement. No longer. The chipboard also had bigger, coarser chips, and any non-visible surface was left bare. Although I was pretty experienced at putting flat-pack furniture together, the pieces didn't fit as well as the earlier stuff. I think that's a shame, because their earlier, better stuff fulfilled a need: decent-looking functional furniture at an attractive price. We're a little more flush these days, have most of the furniture we need, and I intend to fill in here and there with pieces I build myself. But plenty of other people could use an affordable alternative. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 10:50:46 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/12/2017 9:24 AM, notbob wrote: On 2017-01-12, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? Actually, I did. I came back (with a friend) and purchased a hanging kitchen rack. Again, 1/3rd of what everone else was charging. OTOH, I looked at a Captain's bed for my daughter. You know, a single bed with under bed storage drawers? I looked closely. All fiberboard! Jes like Levitz! Nevermind. ;) nb I will say this about that type furniture. It is good and lasts a long time as long as you never move it after assembly. My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/12/2017 4:06 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 10:50:46 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: On 1/12/2017 9:24 AM, notbob wrote: On 2017-01-12, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Even if their light bulbs were 1/3 what HD was charging? Why not just go there for the stuff that you would buy - but pay more for - someplace else? Actually, I did. I came back (with a friend) and purchased a hanging kitchen rack. Again, 1/3rd of what everone else was charging. OTOH, I looked at a Captain's bed for my daughter. You know, a single bed with under bed storage drawers? I looked closely. All fiberboard! Jes like Levitz! Nevermind. ;) nb I will say this about that type furniture. It is good and lasts a long time as long as you never move it after assembly. My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. The stuff does not like to be wiggled. If you live in a trailer park and move your trailer to a new lovely park, your furniture will not survive. LOL |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
DerbyDad03 writes:
My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. Since disassembly requires reassembly, had I know it was going to fall apart I would have left it in the dorm room and spent the $28 it would have cost for a new one, all boxed up nice and neat and easy to carry. Which, BTW, I ended up doing anyway. https://www.walmart.com/ip/21997602 Easier transport, no disassembly effort (think about the cardboard back with the 400 tiny nails holding it on), time saved, etc. If you've ever moved a college student out of dorm room at the end of a semester, you know that the last thing you want to do is waste time taking apart a cheap bookcase, packing it all up, carrying the pieces out and in, etc. No thanks! Not for $28. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/2017 7:43 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Good thought but at least a few of those fancy fasteners would not go back together as well the second time as the first. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. Easier transport, no disassembly effort (think about the cardboard back with the 400 tiny nails holding it on), time saved, etc. If you've ever moved a college student out of dorm room at the end of a semester, you know that the last thing you want to do is waste time taking apart a cheap bookcase, packing it all up, carrying the pieces out and in, etc. No thanks! Not for $28. Mine was purchased for my college apartment. And I was perfectly happy to disassemble it and pack it when moving myself out. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:39:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 1/13/2017 7:43 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Good thought but at least a few of those fancy fasteners would not go back together as well the second time as the first. BTDT |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:53:34 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. It's also not 1979. I'll bet $ to donuts that even the cheapo particleboard bookcases were of a higher quality in 1979 than the $28 units they sell today. Easier transport, no disassembly effort (think about the cardboard back with the 400 tiny nails holding it on), time saved, etc. If you've ever moved a college student out of dorm room at the end of a semester, you know that the last thing you want to do is waste time taking apart a cheap bookcase, packing it all up, carrying the pieces out and in, etc. No thanks! Not for $28. Mine was purchased for my college apartment. And I was perfectly happy to disassemble it and pack it when moving myself out. I'm so proud of you. ;-) |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/2017 8:43 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Yeah, sure. You'd have taken a half hour to move something 3 miles and put it back together again? I'd have left it behind before doing all of that. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/2017 8:53 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. Yeah but yeah but ;~) Back then it was quality compared to recent stuff. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/2017 8:56 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:39:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: On 1/13/2017 7:43 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Good thought but at least a few of those fancy fasteners would not go back together as well the second time as the first. BTDT ME2 |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/17 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/13/2017 8:53 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. Yeah but yeah but ;~) Back then it was quality compared to recent stuff. I actually do quite a bit of RTA furniture assembly for people in my area. FWIW, I'm very pleased when I find out it will be an IKEA product I'm going to assemble because their quality is significantly higher than other RTA furniture. Most of the time, the "important" parts of the furniture are actually solid wood instead of termite vomit. And I'm assured that none of their hardware is going to snap in half under the weight of my screwdriver. Sauder, Wayfair, any of the other brands out there are complete ****e, for the most part. I have to go in bringing extra hardware (HD/Lowes started carrying RTA parts) and have to avoid making sudden movements or loud noises, lest I spook the pieces and they fall apart under their own weight. :-) But I can always count on IKEA for their (relative!) high quality when it comes to RTA furniture. Believe it or not, IKEA actually makes some high end stuff for their European markets. From what I hear, they started doing the boxed kits just for shipping to overseas markets. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 1/13/2017 8:53 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. Yeah but yeah but ;~) Back then it was quality compared to recent stuff. It was ugly crap held together with cheap screws. I can't imagine that modern stuff has worse quality. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 12:16:59 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 1/13/2017 8:53 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:43:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Feel free, but not me. I had a particleboard (vinyl woodgrain) bookshelf unit that I got in 1979. It survived four moves by simply disassembling it and reassembling it. It's not rocket science. Yeah but yeah but ;~) Back then it was quality compared to recent stuff. It was ugly crap held together with cheap screws. I can't imagine that modern stuff has worse quality. OK, you win. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
...snip... I actually do quite a bit of RTA furniture assembly for people in my area. FWIW, I'm very pleased when I find out it will be an IKEA product I'm going to assemble because their quality is significantly higher than other RTA furniture. ....snip... You would love putting together some of the RTA pieces that I have in my house. This 9' x 6' x 3' armoire is RTA: http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Der...d847e.jpg.html This is one on the connectors that holds the top on (right hand image). You use any type of round pointed object to turn a barrel nut to draw the sections together. http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Der...5b0d6.jpg.html The unit knocks down to 10(?) pieces not including the shelves. The biggest single pieces are the top and the base. Roughly 9 x 3 x 6". The rest are all about the size of one of the doors. I have a 6' wide glass front book case, a dining room hutch, a curved glass china cabinet and a few other pieces from the same manufacturer. They were made by a German firm (whose name escapes me right now) back in the early 1900's. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On 1/13/17 12:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: ..snip... I actually do quite a bit of RTA furniture assembly for people in my area. FWIW, I'm very pleased when I find out it will be an IKEA product I'm going to assemble because their quality is significantly higher than other RTA furniture. ...snip... You would love putting together some of the RTA pieces that I have in my house. This 9' x 6' x 3' armoire is RTA: http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Der...d847e.jpg.html This is one on the connectors that holds the top on (right hand image). You use any type of round pointed object to turn a barrel nut to draw the sections together. http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Der...5b0d6.jpg.html The unit knocks down to 10(?) pieces not including the shelves. The biggest single pieces are the top and the base. Roughly 9 x 3 x 6". The rest are all about the size of one of the doors. I have a 6' wide glass front book case, a dining room hutch, a curved glass china cabinet and a few other pieces from the same manufacturer. They were made by a German firm (whose name escapes me right now) back in the early 1900's. Yeah, those look pretty stout and definitely a different animal. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:38:52 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/13/2017 7:43 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: My daughter bought one of those flat-pack WallyWorld book cases for her dorm room. I assembled it and stood it against wall when she first moved in. 2 years later she got an off-campus apartment. Now, I'm pretty good at packing my trailer to keep the contents safe. God knows I've done it enough times. We loaded everything in, strapped it all down and off we went. I drove 3 miles to her apartment, opened the trailer, took out the pieces of the busted up book case and put them by the dumpster. It sure doesn't take stress much to blow those fasteners right out of the fiber board. A few bumps and it was toast. I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Good thought but at least a few of those fancy fasteners would not go back together as well the second time as the first. Or any screw in termite vomit. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:21:50 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:38:52 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: [about fragile flakeboard product] I would have disassembled it for transport, myself. Good thought but at least a few of those fancy fasteners would not go back together as well the second time as the first. Or any screw in termite vomit. It helps if you put a little white glue in each hole, and (after it dries) apply a hot iron to flatten the board. The real key, is to use three screws where you'd use one for solid wood. Between screws and paint, flakeboard is a high-overhead way to save cash. |
Ikea Effect: The Science of Cheap, Crappy Furniture
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