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i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few
the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out |
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On 2015-10-27 23:49:09 +0000, Electric Comet said:
i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have had very poor luck the HF. Go for better ones. CP |
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On 10/27/2015 6:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out If you are serious about woodworking and plan to use the clamps often it is very likely that you will seldom use these clamps once you replace them with better ones. |
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:49:13 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I'll take a bit of a contrarian view. I have about a half dozen of the 12 inch clamps and they work fine for small tasks. They ratchet down pretty tight. How can you go wrong for about $3 each on sale. |
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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 10:35:37 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
If you are serious about woodworking and plan to use the clamps often it is very likely that you will seldom use these clamps once you replace them with better ones. Many years ago I had a really big glue up and bought a bunch of HF clamps. I had bought the big all wood clamps (a Jorgenson C clamp knock off) and plain ductile iron clamps before and they worked great. So I figured I would be OK if I bought their bar clamps and some squeeze clamps. They worked for the first glue up, then one or two failed after the second glue up, and then finally after about a year of use all but two of ten had failed. It was worse with their hand squeeze clamps, which I use three or four times a week sometimes all day as a second set of hands. Eventually, after light use all of them (about 6) failed completely. To put this in perspective, I have four bar clamps that were made in the 1920s or 1930s and have been heavily used. They still work fine, although with the bars a little bent (and being really heavy) they are more backup clamps than anything else. I have some off brand of squeeze clamp I bought at HD about 20 years ago that I have used for all twenty years, and they still work fine. Ditto my 3' and 4' Stanley and Irwin clamps which are probably in the 15 year range. I have Pony pipe clamps that have to be 50 years old that were given to me by a retired contractor that used them for everything you could imagine, and they work just fine. With their short, **** poor track record, HF turned I will never buy another HF clamp unless I figure some way it might be a one time use. Clamps are tools I expect to work, period. Robert |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:57:56 -0700, Gramps' shop wrote:
On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:49:13 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle I'll take a bit of a contrarian view. I have about a half dozen of the 12 inch clamps and they work fine for small tasks. They ratchet down pretty tight. How can you go wrong for about $3 each on sale. I've got a bunch of the HF bar clamps in lengths up to 30" They work great as long as you're just gluing up and not trying to simultaneously straighten warped wood :-). IIRC, HF has 2 versions. One marked Pittsburg, which is what I have, and another "brand" which seems to be the one generating most of the complaints. |
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Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 6:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out If you are serious about woodworking and plan to use the clamps often it is very likely that you will seldom use these clamps once you replace them with better ones. I have to admit that I have not really followed this thread, but what I will say is that over time. the Harbor Freight clamps have not received bad reviews by people here. Perhaps those were different clamps than what are being referred to in this thread, and that would be my bad, but as a whole as I've seen it, the HF clamps have received pretty good reviews here. Not sure why you would talk about them in terms of "better clamps". -- -Mike- |
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On 10/28/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:57:56 -0700, Gramps' shop wrote: On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:49:13 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle I'll take a bit of a contrarian view. I have about a half dozen of the 12 inch clamps and they work fine for small tasks. They ratchet down pretty tight. How can you go wrong for about $3 each on sale. I've got a bunch of the HF bar clamps in lengths up to 30" They work great as long as you're just gluing up and not trying to simultaneously straighten warped wood :-). IIRC, HF has 2 versions. One marked Pittsburg, which is what I have, and another "brand" which seems to be the one generating most of the complaints. Strange enough, my wife has a long arm sewing machine and it came with 4 Pittsburg clamps and I was impressed, for sewing needs. ;~) |
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On 10/28/2015 3:59 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 6:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out If you are serious about woodworking and plan to use the clamps often it is very likely that you will seldom use these clamps once you replace them with better ones. I have to admit that I have not really followed this thread, but what I will say is that over time. the Harbor Freight clamps have not received bad reviews by people here. Perhaps those were different clamps than what are being referred to in this thread, and that would be my bad, but as a whole as I've seen it, the HF clamps have received pretty good reviews here. Not sure why you would talk about them in terms of "better clamps". I have some inexpensive clamps, I reach right over them when I want to clamp something. I have about 20 Kbody style clamps, they are the first off the clamp rack. After that I use my inexpensive clamps. I think it is more of a matter of me liking a clamp with a big face. |
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Leon wrote:
On 10/28/2015 3:59 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 6:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out If you are serious about woodworking and plan to use the clamps often it is very likely that you will seldom use these clamps once you replace them with better ones. I have to admit that I have not really followed this thread, but what I will say is that over time. the Harbor Freight clamps have not received bad reviews by people here. Perhaps those were different clamps than what are being referred to in this thread, and that would be my bad, but as a whole as I've seen it, the HF clamps have received pretty good reviews here. Not sure why you would talk about them in terms of "better clamps". I have some inexpensive clamps, I reach right over them when I want to clamp something. I have about 20 Kbody style clamps, they are the first off the clamp rack. After that I use my inexpensive clamps. I think it is more of a matter of me liking a clamp with a big face. Yeah - that makes a lot of sense. It's different from what you had posted above, but it makes a lot of sense. -- -Mike- |
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On 10/27/2015 7:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have eight of the ones they sell now; the ones with the two-tone blue handles. I have used all of them, although not too many times. I suspect that trying to apply great force might be bad for these molded-on handles, but the force they are capable of was plenty to make the glue squeeze out, so they seemed useful at a very low cost. The "fit and finish" doesn't seem too bad actually. I've tried their "Quick-Grip" style clamps, but only in the store. Those immediately felt like junk. I'm surprised they didn't break right there in the store. |
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Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/27/2015 7:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have eight of the ones they sell now; the ones with the two-tone blue handles. I have used all of them, although not too many times. I suspect that trying to apply great force might be bad for these molded-on handles, but the force they are capable of was plenty to make the glue squeeze out, so they seemed useful at a very low cost. The "fit and finish" doesn't seem too bad actually. I've tried their "Quick-Grip" style clamps, but only in the store. Those immediately felt like junk. I'm surprised they didn't break right there in the store. The HF "Quick-Grip" are indeed worthless, but the HF "Quick Gear Clamp" of a couple of years ago are true gems, as good as the Bessey or Jorgensen from which they were cloned. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/46370 http://toolguyd.com/bessey-kliklamp-...ing-bar-clamp/ http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Gear-Clamp/T21186 |
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On 10/29/2015 12:11 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote: On 10/27/2015 7:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have eight of the ones they sell now; the ones with the two-tone blue handles. I have used all of them, although not too many times. I suspect that trying to apply great force might be bad for these molded-on handles, but the force they are capable of was plenty to make the glue squeeze out, so they seemed useful at a very low cost. The "fit and finish" doesn't seem too bad actually. I've tried their "Quick-Grip" style clamps, but only in the store. Those immediately felt like junk. I'm surprised they didn't break right there in the store. The HF "Quick-Grip" are indeed worthless, but the HF "Quick Gear Clamp" of a couple of years ago are true gems, as good as the Bessey or Jorgensen from which they were cloned. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/46370 http://toolguyd.com/bessey-kliklamp-...ing-bar-clamp/ http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Gear-Clamp/T21186 Hummmmm I'll have to take a look. The Besseys are "ok" I have had problems with them holding for a period of time and then loosing their grip. Bessey replace all 4 of mine with 6 and for certain 2 of those have shown signs of not holding for long periods of time. |
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Leon wrote:
On 10/29/2015 12:11 PM, Spalted Walt wrote: Greg Guarino wrote: On 10/27/2015 7:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have eight of the ones they sell now; the ones with the two-tone blue handles. I have used all of them, although not too many times. I suspect that trying to apply great force might be bad for these molded-on handles, but the force they are capable of was plenty to make the glue squeeze out, so they seemed useful at a very low cost. The "fit and finish" doesn't seem too bad actually. I've tried their "Quick-Grip" style clamps, but only in the store. Those immediately felt like junk. I'm surprised they didn't break right there in the store. The HF "Quick-Grip" are indeed worthless, but the HF "Quick Gear Clamp" of a couple of years ago are true gems, as good as the Bessey or Jorgensen from which they were cloned. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/46370 http://toolguyd.com/bessey-kliklamp-...ing-bar-clamp/ http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Gear-Clamp/T21186 Hummmmm I'll have to take a look. The Besseys are "ok" I have had problems with them holding for a period of time and then loosing their grip. Bessey replace all 4 of mine with 6 and for certain 2 of those have shown signs of not holding for long periods of time. Unfortunately they only offered them in 2013, (item number 60434). Thanks to Jeff's post I was able to snag the last 2 at my local HF. http://www.homeownershub.com/woodwor...75-.htm#560022 |
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On 10/29/2015 1:11 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote: On 10/27/2015 7:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote: i am tempted by the sirens of cheapness at harbor freight so i may buy a few the word online is that the ryobi eyebolt/wingnut driver works on these clamps once you remove the crappy stock handle anyone tried this out I have eight of the ones they sell now; the ones with the two-tone blue handles. I have used all of them, although not too many times. I suspect that trying to apply great force might be bad for these molded-on handles, but the force they are capable of was plenty to make the glue squeeze out, so they seemed useful at a very low cost. The "fit and finish" doesn't seem too bad actually. I've tried their "Quick-Grip" style clamps, but only in the store. Those immediately felt like junk. I'm surprised they didn't break right there in the store. The HF "Quick-Grip" are indeed worthless, but the HF "Quick Gear Clamp" of a couple of years ago are true gems, as good as the Bessey or Jorgensen from which they were cloned. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/46370 http://toolguyd.com/bessey-kliklamp-...ing-bar-clamp/ http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Gear-Clamp/T21186 Yep, I totally agree on the gear clamp. I like them better than my KliKlamps. -- Jeff |
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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:10:11 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I have experienced this with the squeeze clamps but not at all with the bar clamps or the pipe clamps. Neither of those have failed over more than 10 years of use. I put them to use for things far more than just woodworking. Always important when talking about the quality if HF that it can vary wildly. Each batch is a lot number, and according to one of the store managers I talked to (take that for what it is worth) different lots can vary in quality. However, to reinforce his comments go to the net and check their website and you can easily see that the same exact product will have a different lot number and get different reviews. My personal (YMMV) experience bears this out as well. So it is quite likely that at least more than one of us here have had different experiences with their Pacific Rim offerings, especially if we consider that we are now comparing product manufacturing timelines of more than a decade. I have Pony pipe clamps that have to be 50 years old that were given to me by a retired contractor that used them for everything you could imagine, and they work just fine. My HF knock offs of the Pony pipe clamp continue to work as good as day one, some 20 years later. Not sure that you're really making a point here Robert. Note I simply said that I had Pony clamps and was commenting on their longevity. I didn't comment on the HF quality. But... if a point is to be made, my HF knock offs went in the trash. I had one roll off the saw horses on the job and the cast iron cracked, then broke when I used it to clamp. I dropped one and it landed on the crank and it broke off. With there being little difference in the price of a real Pony and an HF, for me, personally, I don't have time to screw with that type of tool. With their short, **** poor track record, HF turned I will never buy another HF clamp unless I figure some way it might be a one time use. Clamps are tools I expect to work, period. The squeeze clamps they sell have proven to be unreliable for me. That said, the bar clamps and the Pony style clamps just continue to perform. Can't understand the difference in experience... See above. If every single product was made to the same exact tolerances from the same exact material for its entire production run, we could simply go to some convenient website and read one review from a competent reviewer and hundreds of thousands of folks would be served. But since manufacturers constantly change their manufacturing techniques, materials, place of manufacture, and in come cases simply re-engineer a lower end product like a clamp without notice or fanfare I think it logical to gather personal experiences of tools that reflect a track record of real world use. To put that in perspective, almost everything I bought about from HF seemed to be junk about 20 years ago. It was ONLY at your suggestion that I try one of their spray guns. If you recall, I loved it. I used it until it spit more than sprayed, and bought another exactly like it from HF to use for general spraying. Even though they looked the same, they weren't. I took it back and traded it for another, and had the same exact experience. So I took it apart and while it was the same model number, the fit and finish of the internals weren't anything like the one I bought at your suggestion. Same brand, same model, same appearance, but different. Just sayin'... You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Robert |
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You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. -- -Mike- |
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On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. Firewood on the porch? You should have leaned it up against the refrigerator. ;-) |
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On 10/30/2015 6:05 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. LOL! SO Mike what were you thinking was going to happen while you watched that stack lean more and more over the space of a week? |
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On 10/30/2015 7:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote: wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. Firewood on the porch? You should have leaned it up against the refrigerator. ;-) That or the "worsher". Thanks for the mental image Mike! |
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On 10/30/2015 10:04 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/30/2015 6:05 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. LOL! SO Mike what were you thinking was going to happen while you watched that stack lean more and more over the space of a week? He's retired now. So you know how it goes. He'll get to it later... He's too busy doing ...... what was it again you were doing Mike ??? :-) -- Jeff |
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Leon wrote:
On 10/30/2015 6:05 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. LOL! SO Mike what were you thinking was going to happen while you watched that stack lean more and more over the space of a week? Well, of course I knew it was going to go over, but you can't just push them back into place - they just go over when you do that. So - I stacked the next rows against them hoping they might support the leaning rows. No luck. At that point you just wait for it to fall and restack what you have to. Not worth the effort to try to take it apart, and put it back together. -- -Mike- |
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woodchucker wrote:
On 10/30/2015 10:04 AM, Leon wrote: On 10/30/2015 6:05 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. LOL! SO Mike what were you thinking was going to happen while you watched that stack lean more and more over the space of a week? He's retired now. So you know how it goes. He'll get to it later... He's too busy doing ...... what was it again you were doing Mike ??? :-) Mostly... thinking... -- -Mike- |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:21:13 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Not worth the effort to try to take it apart, and put it back together. You just have to burn it faster Mike. Oh wait it is November real soon, that will take care of itself. Mark |
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On 10/30/2015 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: On 10/30/2015 6:05 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: wrote: You doing OK up there? IIRC, this should be about the time you are stocking up your firewood readying for winter. Still in the upper/mid 80s here... Yup - doin' fine. Got the firewood all up for the winter and about to put some of it up again! Had a bit of a collapse on the front porch yesterday. I was watching the stacks lean more and more over the space of a week or so until finally...Oh well, I get an additional day of heat out of those pieces now. LOL! SO Mike what were you thinking was going to happen while you watched that stack lean more and more over the space of a week? Well, of course I knew it was going to go over, but you can't just push them back into place - they just go over when you do that. So - I stacked the next rows against them hoping they might support the leaning rows. No luck. At that point you just wait for it to fall and restack what you have to. Not worth the effort to try to take it apart, and put it back together. In the past I have moved several rows from the top and restacked in the opposite direction to balance the stack. Yes, we have fire wood down here. ;~) |
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