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Electric Comet wrote in news:mr8g10$euf$1
@dont-email.me: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html My uncle was cutting down a tree near a large metal building not long ago. He had the tree almost ready to fall, and a big gust of wind came up and did it for him... Right on to the building. Oops. (I was not there, but did see the downed building.) Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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Electric Comet wrote in :
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. |
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On 8/22/2015 8:37 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Electric Comet wrote in : http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. LOL. He said that he had to take the tree down. I bet it was for fear that if he didn't it wold one day fall on the house. |
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Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
eb.com: Electric Comet wrote in news:mr8g10$euf$1 @dont-email.me: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html My uncle was cutting down a tree near a large metal building not long ago. He had the tree almost ready to fall, and a big gust of wind came up and did it for him... Right on to the building. Oops. (I was not there, but did see the downed building.) The one time I cut down a tree and it was important that it fall in a particular direction, I tied a rope around it a ways up the trunk, and used a pickup truck to keep tension on it in the direction I wanted the tree to fall (having made sure the rope was long enough that the tree didn't fall on the truck, fortunately). John |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Electric Comet wrote in : http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. One might think twice about taking the guy up on his offer to help cut it up... -- -Mike- |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:52:12 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy wrote: The one time I cut down a tree and it was important that it fall in a particular direction, I tied a rope around it a ways up the trunk, and used a pickup truck to keep tension on it in the direction I wanted the tree to fall (having made sure the rope was long enough that the tree didn't fall on the truck, fortunately). i saw a video where they did this sort of the rope was not taught though they waited until tree was loose i thought that the bumper was going to come off or some other mishap it was more like a giant 25 foot stump they cut it and store it for 10-15 years |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:37:39 +0000 (UTC)
Doug Miller wrote: Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. it is possible they know a lot but what they know is all wrong on their way to becoming pro maybe there are some notes in the scribners book (in other thread) about felling trees don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible |
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On 08/22/2015 10:03 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
.... don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible .... And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? -- |
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Electric Comet wrote in news:mra2sj$26i$1
@dont-email.me: i saw a video where they did this sort of the rope was not taught though they waited until tree was loose i thought that the bumper was going to come off or some other mishap Yeah, that occurred to me when I did it. So I tied the rope to the trailer hitch. I figured if the hitch is good to pull an umpteen thousand pound trailer, it's good to keep a rope (with a few hundred pound breaking point) taut for a while. Speaking of which, today's safety reminder - if you have a taut rope, keep any spectators well back from the scene. If it breaks, it's going to act like a whip and mow down anyone within range. John |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:47:31 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 08/22/2015 10:03 AM, Electric Comet wrote: ... don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible ... And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? Hire a boom truck and take it down in pieces. |
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On 08/22/2015 1:01 PM, Markem wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:47:31 -0500, wrote: On 08/22/2015 10:03 AM, Electric Comet wrote: ... don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible ... And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? Hire a boom truck and take it down in pieces. One alternative, certainly, the point was general advice must be tempered by facts of the case... -- |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:01:02 -0500, Markem
wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:47:31 -0500, dpb wrote: On 08/22/2015 10:03 AM, Electric Comet wrote: ... don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible ... And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? Hire a boom truck and take it down in pieces. Tree sefvice took down a HUGE maple in the neighbour's back yard ratlier this year. They did it all with simple rope slings, most of it coming down in chunks 4 feet long or less. The only power tools they used were a chain saw and a big chipper out on the street. The cutter went up the tree, cut off a few branches, tied on with his sling, and cut off all the branched piece by piece, dropping them with a rope sling, then went up the tree with spurs and belt,. and cut chunks off above the belt- pushing them off as he went. Surprising how fast that tree came down!!!!! |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:47:31 -0500
dpb wrote: And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? can read about it in that scribners book if you have limits on where you can fell it then you just may end up having to lose some of the wood due to splitting because your only choice is to fell it in the direction it leans (or opposite of lean) but if you are really limited then you cut it down piece by piece just like any urban tree trimmer would do |
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Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
eb.com: wrote in news:taihtap0dk3f1n1pg202rraakahvfoc7dr@ 4ax.com: Tree sefvice took down a HUGE maple in the neighbour's back yard ratlier this year. They did it all with simple rope slings, most of it coming down in chunks 4 feet long or less. The only power tools they used were a chain saw and a big chipper out on the street. The cutter went up the tree, cut off a few branches, tied on with his sling, and cut off all the branched piece by piece, dropping them with a rope sling, then went up the tree with spurs and belt,. and cut chunks off above the belt- pushing them off as he went. Surprising how fast that tree came down!!!!! Always fun to watch experts at work. They certainly get things done efficiently. :-) Of course, then there's the experts who don't. I recall seeing video on CNN several years ago of a tree service using a crane to lift a large tree out of a backyard, over the house. Since it wouldn't be news if it had worked as planned, you know what happened next: the tree got dropped on the house, causing all manner of damage. There was some reason why it couldn't be taken down piece- wise, but I don't recall what it was. Around here the power company has been replacing poles. The way they do it is to lift the new pole vertically with a very tall crane, and thread it down thru the wires. Then they fasten the wires to the new pole, detach from the old, and pull the old one out vertically the same way. It looks like there's any manner of ways that could go wrong, but they don't seem to have caused any blackouts yet... John |
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On 8/22/2015 4:30 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Of course, then there's the experts who don't. I recall seeing video on CNN several years ago of a tree service using a crane to lift a large tree out of a backyard, over the house. Since it wouldn't be news if it had worked as planned, you know what happened next: the tree got dropped on the house, causing all manner of damage. There was some reason why it couldn't be taken down piece- wise, but I don't recall what it was. Could be it was going to be transplanted. There is a machine that cuts a huge root ball and takes the entire tree out. |
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Electric Comet wrote in news:mra337$26i$2@dont-
email.me: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Doug Miller wrote: Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. it is possible they know a lot but what they know is all wrong That's not meaningfully different from knowing nothing at all. I repeat, whoever cut that obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. Look at the picture again: there's one cut. Just one. One horizontal cut about 90% of the way through the trunk, before the tree snapped off and fell in the direction it would obviously fall. You're *supposed* to notch it on the side you want it to fall toward: *two* cuts, not one, like this: Then make a horizontal cut from the other side, above the notch, and the tree falls toward the notch. |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news:mra337$26i$2@dont- email.me: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Doug Miller wrote: Whoever cut that, obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. it is possible they know a lot but what they know is all wrong That's not meaningfully different from knowing nothing at all. I repeat, whoever cut that obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. Look at the picture again: there's one cut. Just one. One horizontal cut about 90% of the way through the trunk, before the tree snapped off and fell in the direction it would obviously fall. You're *supposed* to notch it on the side you want it to fall toward: *two* cuts, not one, like this: Then make a horizontal cut from the other side, above the notch, and the tree falls toward the notch. Unless it is grossly overbalanced the other way, in which case it just "kicks" and still falls toward the lean. anyway. |
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"Electric Comet" wrote in message ... http://www.craigslist.org/about/best...047593403.html YouTube has a bunch of tree falling fails... After watching the videos, and having been certified through the Game of Logging program, I'm starting to think you should need a license and mandatory training to buy and/or use a chainsaw! |
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Learned years ago there are certain tasks best left to others. The list starts with brain surgery self taught followed by laying concrete and felling trees. As I get older, no longer use ladders, work the foredeck of sailboats, or other tasks best left to the 18-30 crowd. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Learned years ago there are certain tasks best left to others. The list starts with brain surgery self taught followed by laying concrete and felling trees. As I get older, no longer use ladders, work the foredeck of sailboats, or other tasks best left to the 18-30 crowd. Lew Did you ever try laying concrete? If so, how did it go? A question that concerns me is whether one can sledge out a few cubic feet of concrete, and just replace that. If so, I might have a go at it. Bill |
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Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Learned years ago there are certain tasks best left to others. The list starts with brain surgery self taught followed by laying concrete and felling trees. As I get older, no longer use ladders, work the foredeck of sailboats, or other tasks best left to the 18-30 crowd. Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Bill" wrote: Did you ever try laying concrete? If so, how did it go? A question that concerns me is whether one can sledge out a few cubic feet of concrete, and just replace that. If so, I might have a go at it. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------- Was going to expand a slab patio by adding 12-14 ft x 18-20 ft slab. Stripped off all the sod, set the forms, and added foundry sand available at the right price from the local FoMoCo foundry. Set the forms along with the black spacer strips for expansion. Starting getting prices for concrete and something kept telling me to talk to a concrete contractor before I jumped into this project. My daughter who was in the 1st grade at the time had just fallen in love for the first time with a classmate who was the son of a concrete contractor. I called the contractor, explained my situation, and asked if he would at least look at the job. He looked, was impressed with the form work and agreed to do the job. On the appointed day, his crew showed up, complete with a gasoline powered concrete buggy to bring the concrete from the truck at the street to the project area. Suddenly a roll of wire mesh appeared and was placed inside the forms. The 2nd thing I hadn't thought about, damn I was luck I listened to my little voice. The project went well. It could have been a disaster. Went on to add a slanted shed roof off the house and have some wrought iron columns fabricated and had many years of enjoyment. Up to that point, had limited my concrete work to many small jobs using bags of concrete from the local K-Mmart. Your project would seem to fit into the K-Mart category. Knock out enough concrete to get a smooth surface to butt up against and you are in business. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Learned years ago there are certain tasks best left to others. The list starts with brain surgery self taught followed by laying concrete and felling trees. As I get older, no longer use ladders, work the foredeck of sailboats, or other tasks best left to the 18-30 crowd. Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Bill" wrote: Did you ever try laying concrete? If so, how did it go? A question that concerns me is whether one can sledge out a few cubic feet of concrete, and just replace that. If so, I might have a go at it. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------- Was going to expand a slab patio by adding 12-14 ft x 18-20 ft slab. Stripped off all the sod, set the forms, and added foundry sand available at the right price from the local FoMoCo foundry. Set the forms along with the black spacer strips for expansion. Starting getting prices for concrete and something kept telling me to talk to a concrete contractor before I jumped into this project. My daughter who was in the 1st grade at the time had just fallen in love for the first time with a classmate who was the son of a concrete contractor. I called the contractor, explained my situation, and asked if he would at least look at the job. He looked, was impressed with the form work and agreed to do the job. On the appointed day, his crew showed up, complete with a gasoline powered concrete buggy to bring the concrete from the truck at the street to the project area. Suddenly a roll of wire mesh appeared and was placed inside the forms. The 2nd thing I hadn't thought about, damn I was luck I listened to my little voice. The project went well. It could have been a disaster. Went on to add a slanted shed roof off the house and have some wrought iron columns fabricated and had many years of enjoyment. Up to that point, had limited my concrete work to many small jobs using bags of concrete from the local K-Mmart. Your project would seem to fit into the K-Mart category. Knock out enough concrete to get a smooth surface to butt up against and you are in business. Lew Thank you Lew! I enjoyed your story. Bill |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC)
Doug Miller wrote: That's not meaningfully different from knowing nothing at all. I repeat, whoever cut that obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. Look at the picture again: there's one cut. might not be meaningful but then again it might be i have seen a lot of people claiming to be expert in lots of different endeavors but they do things that reveal they are not expert that picture is not very good but what difference does it make it was done wrong and they did it using wrong knowledge i heard that an expert is someone who has made all the mistakes that are possible so maybe that tree feller (fella) is on their way to becoming expert |
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Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:43:04 -0400 wrote: Unless it is grossly overbalanced the other way, in which case it just "kicks" and still falls toward the lean. anyway. i have heard of that and as mentioned by others wind can be a factor That's what he should tell his insurance company! --LOL |
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Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:43:04 -0400 wrote: Unless it is grossly overbalanced the other way, in which case it just "kicks" and still falls toward the lean. anyway. i have heard of that and as mentioned by others wind can be a factor Sure can. I was felling a tree many years ago, and at that time I had many years of experience at felling trees. I'm quite careful when I bring down trees, and have never been reckless at the task. On this particular day the tree I was felling had some lean to it and I was attempting to drop it with the lean. Should have been a walk in the park. Made my notch, and was into my felling cut when the wind came up. It was not a windy day, and this wind just came up... from the wrong direction. It brought the tree back into my felling cut, pinched my saw in the cut, and brought the tree over the wrong way. Sitting not far enough away was my pickup. Guess where that tree went! Fortunately, the branches pretty much forked around my truck and only some smaller ones hit the truck, causing very minor damage. Could have been a lot worse. What was worse was that my saw was pinched in the cut and when the tree came far enough over, it jumped the stump. Out comes my saw and it fell to the ground. Down comes the butt of the tree - right on my saw. Completely destroyed the saw. Fortunately, I watch my tree all the while when I dropping it, and I realized what was happening with time to beat feet away from the tree. Had the perfect view of the carnage in real time. **** can happen even when you know what you're doing and even when you're careful. -- -Mike- |
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On 8/23/2015 12:38 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Doug Miller wrote: That's not meaningfully different from knowing nothing at all. I repeat, whoever cut that obviously knows nothing at all about felling a tree. Look at the picture again: there's one cut. might not be meaningful but then again it might be i have seen a lot of people claiming to be expert in lots of different endeavors but they do things that reveal they are not expert that picture is not very good but what difference does it make it was done wrong and they did it using wrong knowledge Maybe the tree was fell right and the house was built in the wrong spot. ;~) |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 03:05:36 -0400
Bill wrote: That's what he should tell his insurance company! --LOL i wonder what this kind of accident would fall under i would claim an act of god and see where that goes maybe they should have had a fire right around the same time it is possible that they are tsol |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:35:10 -0400, Bill
wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Learned years ago there are certain tasks best left to others. The list starts with brain surgery self taught followed by laying concrete and felling trees. As I get older, no longer use ladders, work the foredeck of sailboats, or other tasks best left to the 18-30 crowd. Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Bill" wrote: Did you ever try laying concrete? If so, how did it go? A question that concerns me is whether one can sledge out a few cubic feet of concrete, and just replace that. If so, I might have a go at it. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------- Was going to expand a slab patio by adding 12-14 ft x 18-20 ft slab. Stripped off all the sod, set the forms, and added foundry sand available at the right price from the local FoMoCo foundry. Set the forms along with the black spacer strips for expansion. Starting getting prices for concrete and something kept telling me to talk to a concrete contractor before I jumped into this project. My daughter who was in the 1st grade at the time had just fallen in love for the first time with a classmate who was the son of a concrete contractor. I called the contractor, explained my situation, and asked if he would at least look at the job. He looked, was impressed with the form work and agreed to do the job. On the appointed day, his crew showed up, complete with a gasoline powered concrete buggy to bring the concrete from the truck at the street to the project area. Suddenly a roll of wire mesh appeared and was placed inside the forms. The 2nd thing I hadn't thought about, damn I was luck I listened to my little voice. The project went well. It could have been a disaster. Went on to add a slanted shed roof off the house and have some wrought iron columns fabricated and had many years of enjoyment. Up to that point, had limited my concrete work to many small jobs using bags of concrete from the local K-Mmart. Your project would seem to fit into the K-Mart category. Knock out enough concrete to get a smooth surface to butt up against and you are in business. Lew Thank you Lew! I enjoyed your story. Bill As a young teanager working on the farm (98 lbs soaking wet carrying a hay bale) I and the boss did all the forming, mixing, and pouring concrete for the installation of a stable cleaner, as well as the floor of the hog stable and half the manure yard - all with a little electric mixer (1 HP electric motor) using bags of portland and gravel from the pit on the farm. I don't know how many yards of concrete I mixed, wheelbarrowed, and trowelled that summer - but it was a LOT!!!! Thankfully a broom finish was all all we needed -but that was enough work for the two of us. |
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On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 2:16:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:01:02 -0500, Markem wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:47:31 -0500, dpb wrote: On 08/22/2015 10:03 AM, Electric Comet wrote: ... don't fell them in the direction they lean or opposite of lean instead as perpendicular as is possible ... And if that's the direction of a (valuable) obstacle one does what, exactly??? Hire a boom truck and take it down in pieces. Tree sefvice took down a HUGE maple in the neighbour's back yard ratlier this year. They did it all with simple rope slings, most of it coming down in chunks 4 feet long or less. The only power tools they used were a chain saw and a big chipper out on the street. The cutter went up the tree, cut off a few branches, tied on with his sling, and cut off all the branched piece by piece, dropping them with a rope sling, then went up the tree with spurs and belt,. and cut chunks off above the belt- pushing them off as he went. Surprising how fast that tree came down!!!!! Watching the pros do it is pretty neat. The swing around and make it look easy with a chainsaw on their belts. We have a friend who does it for us when we need it. I can fell a lot of trees in the right direction with the proper notch cut, but the larger trees are really the province of the pros. |
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On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 5:50:39 AM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
**** can happen even when you know what you're doing and even when you're careful. -- -Mike- Truer words never spoken. Before I fell a tree, I always scout out my retreat path, just in case. |
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