Finger prints appear after staining
I am in the process of replacing a couple interior hollow core doors.
After cutting to the proper length, drilling the lockset holes, cutting the hinge mortises and light sanding I was ready to stain the first door. After I applied the stain I was able to see a couple large residual finger prints that were not visible until I had stained the door. Unfortunately with the thin veneer I was only able to sand about half of the finger prints out before I started to sand through the veneer. When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? |
Finger prints appear after staining
On 07/04/2015 1:43 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
I am in the process of replacing a couple interior hollow core doors. After cutting to the proper length, drilling the lockset holes, cutting the hinge mortises and light sanding I was ready to stain the first door. After I applied the stain I was able to see a couple large residual finger prints that were not visible until I had stained the door. Unfortunately with the thin veneer I was only able to sand about half of the finger prints out before I started to sand through the veneer. When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Still a chance't you can salvage if you strip the area as best can with solvent-based stripper and use solvent to then try to also strip the oils of the prints...But, if it is "just" a hollow-core, may be as cheap to replace as the stripper and effort. Use the solvent on rag as a wash before staining next time; it'll a) remove the oils of any such latent prints, and, more importantly, b) highlight such things (including scratches, etc., ...) before you actually take the plunge w/ any finish coats/stains/etc., ... -- |
Finger prints appear after staining
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:00:18 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 07/04/2015 1:43 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: I am in the process of replacing a couple interior hollow core doors. After cutting to the proper length, drilling the lockset holes, cutting the hinge mortises and light sanding I was ready to stain the first door. After I applied the stain I was able to see a couple large residual finger prints that were not visible until I had stained the door. Unfortunately with the thin veneer I was only able to sand about half of the finger prints out before I started to sand through the veneer. When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Still a chance't you can salvage if you strip the area as best can with solvent-based stripper and use solvent to then try to also strip the oils of the prints...But, if it is "just" a hollow-core, may be as cheap to replace as the stripper and effort. Use the solvent on rag as a wash before staining next time; it'll a) remove the oils of any such latent prints, and, more importantly, b) highlight such things (including scratches, etc., ...) before you actually take the plunge w/ any finish coats/stains/etc., ... It is "just" a hollow core door so the effort to save it would be more than the cost of a new one. I will definitely use solvent on a rag to clean the next one prior to staining. This is actually the second replacement door that got trashed. We don't need to talk about what I did to the veneer on the first one while using a chisel to remove the glue from the inside of the veneer after cutting down the height of the door. My lips are closed. |
Finger prints appear after staining
Gordon Shumway wrote in
: When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Do you think the prints are glue or something from the door's manufacture? Wiping down with mineral spirits often reveals such things (as well as sanding scratches) before staining. John |
Finger prints appear after staining
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:52:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote in : When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Do you think the prints are glue or something from the door's manufacture? Wiping down with mineral spirits often reveals such things (as well as sanding scratches) before staining. John The finger prints were not prints per se, but as if you were to put your hand flat on a surface and press down with your finger tip while sliding your hand across that surface. They closely resembled how and where I remember my hand moving while trying to flip the door over. I will begin adding the process of wiping down projects with solvent prior to staining after this. |
Finger prints appear after staining
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:52:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote in m: When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Do you think the prints are glue or something from the door's manufacture? Wiping down with mineral spirits often reveals such things (as well as sanding scratches) before staining. John The finger prints were not prints per se, but as if you were to put your hand flat on a surface and press down with your finger tip while sliding your hand across that surface. They closely resembled how and where I remember my hand moving while trying to flip the door over. I will begin adding the process of wiping down projects with solvent prior to staining after this. Wash your hands often. |
Finger prints appear after staining
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:52:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote in : When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Do you think the prints are glue or something from the door's manufacture? Wiping down with mineral spirits often reveals such things (as well as sanding scratches) before staining. John The finger prints were not prints per se, but as if you were to put your hand flat on a surface and press down with your finger tip while sliding your hand across that surface. They closely resembled how and where I remember my hand moving while trying to flip the door over. I will begin adding the process of wiping down projects with solvent prior to staining after this. Wash your hands often. You have to remember - everyone runs their fingers over a piece of wood before applying stain, or a finish. It is highly unlikely that this problem is related to that simple thing - whether running your fingers over it, or grabbing it to flip it over. The only way that would be the case would be if you had some very foreign material on your fingers. Your finger oils are simply not going to cause that problem. Put all the solvent on it you wish, but you have a different problem. -- -Mike- |
Finger prints appear after staining
Mike Marlow wrote:
Gordon Shumway wrote: I will begin adding the process of wiping down projects with solvent prior to staining after this. You can if you want but it will probably not help you all that much. You don't have that much oil in your finger tips to create that problem, unless you're Italian. I'd think it was already in the door. Even if your finger oils were the culprit, they would blend with the stain. I don't take anywhere near the precautions that people suggest here, and I deal with a lot more sensitive materials than wood stain. I've done plenty of wood staining, and unless I was staining a piece of wood as I was doing a ball joint lube, I've just never seen this. Neither have I and oil base stain would just dissolve any residual body oil. Never used water base, is it possible that would be blocked by body oil? You can put WAY too much emphasis on this crap of wiping down with solvents and all that - it's just not the issue. You either had imperfections in the wood from the mill, or you somehow screwed up the wood surface. Maybe too much finger pressure while trying to do a light sanding? That's usually the first place to look - not oils and solvents. +1 |
Finger prints appear after staining
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:04:08 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:52:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote in : When I get the replacement door for the replacement door is there something short of wearing gloves that I can do to ensure there will be no ugly surprises when I apply the stain? Do you think the prints are glue or something from the door's manufacture? Wiping down with mineral spirits often reveals such things (as well as sanding scratches) before staining. John The finger prints were not prints per se, but as if you were to put your hand flat on a surface and press down with your finger tip while sliding your hand across that surface. They closely resembled how and where I remember my hand moving while trying to flip the door over. I will begin adding the process of wiping down projects with solvent prior to staining after this. You can if you want but it will probably not help you all that much. You don't have that much oil in your finger tips to create that problem, unless you're Italian. I'd think it was already in the door. Even if your finger oils were the culprit, they would blend with the stain. I don't take anywhere near the precautions that people suggest here, and I deal with a lot more sensitive materials than wood stain. I've done plenty of wood staining, and unless I was staining a piece of wood as I was doing a ball joint lube, I've just never seen this. You can put WAY too much emphasis on this crap of wiping down with solvents and all that - it's just not the issue. You either had imperfections in the wood from the mill, or you somehow screwed up the wood surface. Maybe too much finger pressure while trying to do a light sanding? That's usually the first place to look - not oils and solvents. I know I didn't use too much finger pressure while sanding because I either used a sanding block or my ROS. Besides the "prints" were across the grain not with the grain so that was definitely not the issue. I know I wasn't doing any shade tree mechanic work at the time so that wasn't the culprit either. I've never had this problem before either and I have stained many projects in the past. It is possible, maybe even probable, that this occurred during shipment from the manufacturer to my lumber yard or from there to my house. |
Finger prints appear after staining
Gordon Shumway wrote:
I know I didn't use too much finger pressure while sanding because I either used a sanding block or my ROS. Besides the "prints" were across the grain not with the grain so that was definitely not the issue. FWIW - across versus with the grain, is not a reliable indicator. If too much finger pressure were to have been the problem, it could occur in either direction. I know I wasn't doing any shade tree mechanic work at the time so that wasn't the culprit either. I've never had this problem before either and I have stained many projects in the past. Well then hell - why are you having this problem now? It is possible, maybe even probable, that this occurred during shipment from the manufacturer to my lumber yard or from there to my house. I'm really inclined to think it was something outside of your work. Perhaps, not even really finger prints. Perhaps some other artifact that only looks like finger prints to the casual glance. Remember - it's always best to find someone else to blame before assuming personal responsibility... -- -Mike- |
Finger prints appear after staining
"dadiOH" wrote in :
Neither have I and oil base stain would just dissolve any residual body oil. Never used water base, is it possible that would be blocked by body oil? That's why I was thinking glue residue, from the manufacturer. I know I've had plenty of "dammit" moments when I've stained and noticed a glue spot near a joint, that I didn't catch when sanding. John |
Finger prints appear after staining
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
... I know I didn't use too much finger pressure while sanding because I either used a sanding block or my ROS. Besides the "prints" were across the grain not with the grain so that was definitely not the issue. I know I wasn't doing any shade tree mechanic work at the time so that wasn't the culprit either. I've never had this problem before either and I have stained many projects in the past. It is possible, maybe even probable, that this occurred during shipment from the manufacturer to my lumber yard or from there to my house. They very well may not be your finger prints... I've seen store workers and delivery men use very dirty gloves and hands while handling materials... and have even had boot prints on trim and doors. One time my wife accepted a delivery and I came home to find a rusty gloved hand print on my table saw top and wet dirty hand prints all over the n-grade trim... the guy apparently used the saw for balance as they brought 16' long trim stock into the shop. Ugh... John |
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