Sometime ago, somebody posted the following:
--------------------------------------------------
I have the top of the line KitchenAid and use Cascade Platinum
detergent. I'll put my dishes and glassware up against any cleaning
method you want. Oh, let's compare flatware too.
---------------------------------------------------
The following is part of a post made to my son that involves a major
update they are doing to their kitchen which included a new dishwasher
almost as an after thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------
As far as the dishwasher is concerned, will pass along the following.

Recently have had a rather vigorous discussion about dishwasher
detergents and dishwashers.

Yes this was on a woodworking list. Lots of things get discussed
there grin.

Decided to run my own tests.

Bought a container of P&G Cascade PLATINUM dishwasher detergent which
was quite a shock to the pocket book compared to the generic brands
available at the supermarket but Brian's salary has to come from
someplacegrin.

I wasn't impressed with the results.

The dishes including glasses still had residue, the flatware was a
disaster.

Decided to modify the test by adding Finish JET DRY to the test.

MADE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Residue on dishes, glasses and flatware was GONE.

First time I heard about JETDRY was in the dishwasher on Maureen
and that was 50 years ago.

It was expensive and we were stretched to the limit just to get moved
in, so quit using it.

In hind sight that was a probably a mistake.

BTW, JETDRY is no longer so expensive and I don't have as
many dishes to wash so will probably continue to use it.


Take care,

Will await the pics.

Love ya.

Dad

On 5/14/2015 9:27 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Sometime ago, somebody posted the following:
--------------------------------------------------
I have the top of the line KitchenAid and use Cascade Platinum
detergent. I'll put my dishes and glassware up against any cleaning
method you want. Oh, let's compare flatware too.
---------------------------------------------------
The following is part of a post made to my son that involves a major
update they are doing to their kitchen which included a new dishwasher
almost as an after thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------
As far as the dishwasher is concerned, will pass along the following.

Recently have had a rather vigorous discussion about dishwasher
detergents and dishwashers.

Yes this was on a woodworking list. Lots of things get discussed
there grin.

Decided to run my own tests.

Bought a container of P&G Cascade PLATINUM dishwasher detergent which
was quite a shock to the pocket book compared to the generic brands
available at the supermarket but Brian's salary has to come from
someplacegrin.

I wasn't impressed with the results.

The dishes including glasses still had residue, the flatware was a
disaster.

Decided to modify the test by adding Finish JET DRY to the test.

MADE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Residue on dishes, glasses and flatware was GONE.

First time I heard about JETDRY was in the dishwasher on Maureen
and that was 50 years ago.

It was expensive and we were stretched to the limit just to get moved
in, so quit using it.

In hind sight that was a probably a mistake.

BTW, JETDRY is no longer so expensive and I don't have as
many dishes to wash so will probably continue to use it.


Take care,

Will await the pics.

Love ya.

Dad



We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.
Cascade powder and Jet Dry is all that we have used for 24 of those
years. Recently switched to the packaged Cascade tablets with the
liquids and stopped using Jet Dry.

Now we have filter stopping up problems. We will soon be going back to
the powder and the Jet Dry. BTW what do you consider expensive for Jet
Dry? I have never considered it expensive.

"Leon" wrote:

BTW what do you consider expensive for Jet Dry? I have never
considered it expensive.
--------------------------------------------
Frankly, can't remember the price but it didn't trip any high price
flags when I bought it.

Lew

"Leon" wrote:

BTW what do you consider expensive for Jet Dry? I have never
considered it expensive.
--------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Frankly, can't remember the price but it didn't trip any high price
flags when I bought it.
---------------------------------------------
What I can remember was that way back then JET DRY was sold
in small packages, 3 oz maybe 4 oz packages while now you can
buy a 16 oz size(pint), which has had some impact on the retail price.

Lew

On 5/15/2015 12:12 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

BTW what do you consider expensive for Jet Dry? I have never
considered it expensive.
--------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Frankly, can't remember the price but it didn't trip any high price
flags when I bought it.
---------------------------------------------
What I can remember was that way back then JET DRY was sold
in small packages, 3 oz maybe 4 oz packages while now you can
buy a 16 oz size(pint), which has had some impact on the retail price.

Lew



They also have competition from another brand (Finish?). A bottle lasts
a very long time so it is not a major cost per year.

As for the Cascade Platinum, I buy it at BJ's and it works out to less
than 22¢ a load. The KitchenAid is over a year old now and I'm still
amazed at how everything comes out sparkling clean, like brand new.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead, we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...

On 5/15/2015 7:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 12:12 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

BTW what do you consider expensive for Jet Dry? I have never
considered it expensive.
--------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Frankly, can't remember the price but it didn't trip any high price
flags when I bought it.
---------------------------------------------
What I can remember was that way back then JET DRY was sold
in small packages, 3 oz maybe 4 oz packages while now you can
buy a 16 oz size(pint), which has had some impact on the retail price.

Lew



They also have competition from another brand (Finish?). A bottle lasts
a very long time so it is not a major cost per year.

As for the Cascade Platinum, I buy it at BJ's and it works out to less
than 22¢ a load. The KitchenAid is over a year old now and I'm still
amazed at how everything comes out sparkling clean, like brand new.

Design is more important than age. We were the type that threw in
dishes less tooth picks and bones, anything else and it not a problem.
We eventually replaced our 15 year old Whirlpool because the racks were
deteriorating and plastic coating was becoming brittle and flaking off.
The exposed wire frame rusted and left rust stains on white dishes at
contact points. Since replacement racks were more than half the price
of what we originally paid we bought new and went with Whirlpool again.
We are now on our 3rd Whirlpool DW.
IIRC KitchenAid is now owned by Whirlpool.

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead, we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...



Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead,
we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...



Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

When I was a kid, we had an Irish Setter named Maggie. All plates went
to the floor, and she did the pre-cleaning with great energy and
efficiency. This bothered some friends, but nobody in the family was
bothered.

Never had a problem with her grabbing things off the table. Not that
we would leave her alone with so much temptation.

Joe Gwinn

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead,
we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...



Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

When I was a kid, we had an Irish Setter named Maggie. All plates went
to the floor, and she did the pre-cleaning with great energy and
efficiency. This bothered some friends, but nobody in the family was
bothered.

Never had a problem with her grabbing things off the table. Not that
we would leave her alone with so much temptation.

Joe Gwinn

It's interesting that some people are bothered by dogs licking plates. These same people wouldn't think twice about eating from a plate that was washed after it held raw meat or a bowl that was washed after it held that moldy macaroni from the back of the fridge.

Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices? No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years.

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead,
we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...



Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

When I was a kid, we had an Irish Setter named Maggie. All plates went
to the floor, and she did the pre-cleaning with great energy and
efficiency. This bothered some friends, but nobody in the family was
bothered.

Never had a problem with her grabbing things off the table. Not that
we would leave her alone with so much temptation.

Joe Gwinn

It's interesting that some people are bothered by dogs licking plates. These same people wouldn't think twice about eating from a plate that was washed after it held raw meat or a bowl that was washed after it held that moldy macaroni from the back of the fridge.

Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices? No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

DerbyDad03 wrote:

It's interesting that some people are bothered by dogs licking
plates. These same people wouldn't think twice about eating from a
plate that was washed after it held raw meat or a bowl that was
washed after it held that moldy macaroni from the back of the fridge.

Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices?
No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in
that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

As well, a real dog owner doesn't think twice about getting those doggy
kisses from their dog...

--

-Mike-

Markem wrote:


They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

I believe it's their balls they lick. Not that it makes that much
difference.

--

-Mike-

On Fri, 15 May 2015 10:14:10 -0500, Leon wrote:

Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

Old joke about the Kentucky hillbilly who's relatives for what promised
to be a lengthy visit. After dinner, one offered to help with the
dishes. He said no thanks and whistled. 5 or 6 hounds came running in,
jumped on the table, and licked the dishes clean. The relatives made
their excuses and left.

Telling the story to a friend a few months later he said it took him a
week to teach the dogs that trick and a month to break them of it, but it
was well worth the effort :-).

In article , Mike Marlow
wrote:

Markem wrote:


They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

I believe it's their balls they lick. Not that it makes that much
difference.

This would not be an issue for Maggie.

Joe Gwinn

On 05/15/2015 04:51 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Markem wrote:


They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

I believe it's their balls they lick. Not that it makes that much
difference.

....and you know why a dog licks his balls? Because he can!


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 05/15/2015 04:51 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Markem wrote:


They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

I believe it's their balls they lick. Not that it makes that much
difference.

...and you know why a dog licks his balls? Because he can!

I was going to go there, but figured it might be better if I didn't...

--

-Mike-

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 5:19:35 PM UTC-4, Markem wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:2u2dnfBj-
:


We seldom rinse before putting plates in the DW. BTW we have only
bought Whirlpool, near the top of the line, fot the past 25 years..

We also have had nothing but Whirlpool and we also seldom rinse. Instead,
we use the
"Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...



Our Great Dane loves to review what goes into the dishwasher but we do
not allow her to lick the dishes. Her head easily hovers way over the
dining room table and we felt that she might feel that licking dishes on
the table would be the next step. She can actually look down into the
kitchen sink with all four feet on the floor.

When I was a kid, we had an Irish Setter named Maggie. All plates went
to the floor, and she did the pre-cleaning with great energy and
efficiency. This bothered some friends, but nobody in the family was
bothered.

Never had a problem with her grabbing things off the table. Not that
we would leave her alone with so much temptation.

Joe Gwinn

It's interesting that some people are bothered by dogs licking plates. These same people wouldn't think twice about eating from a plate that was washed after it held raw meat or a bowl that was washed after it held that moldy macaroni from the back of the fridge.

Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices? No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".

Even if their ass was the nastiest place on earth, the fact remains that the dishes (hopefully) aren't being put back in the cabinet after the dog licks them clean.

Raw meat, dog's ass, salmonella filled eggs, who cares? If the dishes are being properly washed before the next use, I really don't who or what was in them prior to the washing.

Some folks apparently do.

DerbyDad03 wrote in news:ef61f836-4846-4cd6-8d3d-
:

On 5/15/2015 9:43 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
we use the "Puppydog Pre-wash" cycle...
[...]
the fact remains that the dishes (hopefully) aren't being put back in the cabinet after the dog
licks them clean.

We used to have an acquaintance -- note careful choice of words; "friend" isn't the right one --
who developed the habit of just "dropping by" at dinnertime. After three or four times of
rearranging my meal planning to accomodate an unexpected visitor, I decided next time this
person invites herself over for a meal, the dishes *will* go back in the cabinet after the dog
licks them clean. Then into the dishwasher, of course, after she leaves.

"Mike Marlow" wrote in news:mj60ms$b8n$1@dont-
email.me:

DerbyDad03 wrote:

It's interesting that some people are bothered by dogs licking
plates. These same people wouldn't think twice about eating from a
plate that was washed after it held raw meat or a bowl that was
washed after it held that moldy macaroni from the back of the fridge.

Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices?
No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in
that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

As well, a real dog owner doesn't think twice about getting those doggy
kisses from their dog...

And there's some recent scientific evidence supporting the notion that doing so improves
the owner's immune system.

On 5/15/2015 4:19 PM, Markem wrote:
Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices? No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".



Yeah I believe it has been proven that a dogs mouth is worse than the
old wives tale indicate. Perhaps your sister was talking about a dogs
ass is cleaner that what comes out of "your" mouth. ;~)

"Lew Hodgett" was heard to mutter:

Sometime ago, somebody posted the following:
--------------------------------------------------
I have the top of the line KitchenAid and use Cascade Platinum
detergent. I'll put my dishes and glassware up against any cleaning
method you want. Oh, let's compare flatware too.
---------------------------------------------------
The following is part of a post made to my son that involves a major
update they are doing to their kitchen which included a new dishwasher
almost as an after thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------
As far as the dishwasher is concerned, will pass along the following.

Recently have had a rather vigorous discussion about dishwasher
detergents and dishwashers.

Yes this was on a woodworking list. Lots of things get discussed
there grin.

Decided to run my own tests.

Bought a container of P&G Cascade PLATINUM dishwasher detergent which
was quite a shock to the pocket book compared to the generic brands
available at the supermarket but Brian's salary has to come from
someplacegrin.

I wasn't impressed with the results.

The dishes including glasses still had residue, the flatware was a
disaster.

Decided to modify the test by adding Finish JET DRY to the test.

MADE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Residue on dishes, glasses and flatware was GONE.

First time I heard about JETDRY was in the dishwasher on Maureen
and that was 50 years ago.

It was expensive and we were stretched to the limit just to get moved
in, so quit using it.

In hind sight that was a probably a mistake.

BTW, JETDRY is no longer so expensive and I don't have as
many dishes to wash so will probably continue to use it.

Take care,
Will await the pics.
Love ya.
Dad

Magic Chef diswasher now 20 years old and still going. We don't run it
everyday. Takes a couple days for two people to fill it up.

We use Electrosol Powerball tabs for years and works great. On
occasion something may flip and get stuff in it requiring a re-clean
but 98% of the time comes out clean and clear. Inexpensive too.

We don't pre-rinse, just scrape off. Once a year we run a cleaner thru
the DW; comes out very clean and runs great.

People put pots, pans and such in their dishwasher but we do not. Used
to and found it ruined coated pans fast and can warp plastics. I will
not put in cultery sets, especially wood handled ones. Got some
friends on their fourth set because they insist on putting everything
in the DW. Their choice of course.

I could live without a DW but not without a washer/dryer. Winter cold
affects me too much. I will never do a landromat if I can help it.

Interesting to see what everyone uses and how long the DW are lasting.

We replaced our fridge after 15 years due to frequent power outtages.
Just had current one (4-5 years old) repaired. Evaporator fan failed.

Two days later and ice maker motor frozen. Won't call same repair
shop. Took two trips to correctly diagnose and another three to get
the part and replace. Only reason it went that fast is because I
called to confirm the tech was coming out and apparently the shop had
no clue and no part. They had tech make a special run to a different
local disttributor to get the part as the ordered one hadn't arrived
in the mail. Why ship if you can pick up and be done with it?

Oh and $196 for an adaptive defrost board is robbery. Glad that turned
out NOT to be the bad part.

On Sat, 16 May 2015 09:45:34 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/15/2015 4:19 PM, Markem wrote:
Do they think that dog saliva is somehow worse than raw meat juices? No, they don't think it is because they don't even think about it in that way. They simply say "Yuck" and get all grossed out.

They do lick they're ass, but as my sister the nurse said "A dog ass
is cleaner than your mouth".



Yeah I believe it has been proven that a dogs mouth is worse than the
old wives tale indicate. Perhaps your sister was talking about a dogs
ass is cleaner that what comes out of "your" mouth. ;~)

Nope that was not it, she was talking bacteria. I have not had a foul
mouth since 1979. If you believe that last bit.....