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do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what |
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Electric Comet wrote:
do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so Looks like they did clean up the hinge a bit - no idea at what length though. but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned Does not look to me like the stump is in the picture, or enough of it to actually see if they did any work on the stump. Would seem unlikely they would though - the stump is usually left as it is when the tree comes off of it.. https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up I think the former. -- -Mike- |
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Electric Comet wrote:
do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what Musta been a honking big chainsaw! ;) -- GW Ross Everything's negotiable. |
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Yes, and the son of a "itches" left a holy mess in the Redwoods.
No care for anything, streams, animals, vegetation. Just come and take the forest, burn down the slash, and leave.... Following this assault they again logged about 3 times, and with continuing selectivity as to what the market would bear. Now when you go in an Old Growth forest, there are few and far between trees left. We wonder why the salmon spawning grounds are slack, and the forest is struggling to survive... Yes, they left a mess. I am cleaning up a logging operation from about 1950 on my property. They came in with bulldozers and pushed over trees in the way, oaks, and redwoods, firs, rhododendrons, etc. to take what trees/logs were left from the first and 2nd assault. Leaving the old skid roads there, and the trees upover. Some have grown back sideways, and out of the logs pushed over....it is a mess. I am clearing the oaks that grew like wheat grass, and cleaning up the stumps, and crooked bent trees, salvaging the forest, and making it a bit more healthy for the redwoods, and also the large amount of wood that grew that poses fire threat. I always wonder what went across their minds when they cut down these giants..... I know, they were starving and hungry, and making a living...... Thank the lord we now have some forest practices, that help not only make a viable timber industry, but save the forest for the future. john in Redwood Country..... "Electric Comet" wrote in message ... do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what |
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On 5/14/2015 4:03 PM, jloomis wrote:
Yes, and the son of a "itches" left a holy mess in the Redwoods. No care for anything, streams, animals, vegetation. Just come and take the forest, burn down the slash, and leave.... Following this assault they again logged about 3 times, and with continuing selectivity as to what the market would bear. Now when you go in an Old Growth forest, there are few and far between trees left. We wonder why the salmon spawning grounds are slack, and the forest is struggling to survive... Yes, they left a mess. I am cleaning up a logging operation from about 1950 on my property. You must judge events of the past by the paradigms in effect at the time the event happened. You can judge by today's paradigms, but it is not legitimate. You can learn from past events, and try to improve your future action based on those historical events, but you can not criticize a person who live in the past and made the decisions they did. You don't have the same facts they had at the time of the event. I good example is the removal of the Indians from the Indiana. From the point of view of the people who lived there and and been subject to Indian attacks for the previous 100 years it was the most logical and humane way to handle the situation. The alternative would have been to continue the Indian wars for another 100 years. |
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You open up a wide margin.
What about Hitler? And slave trade? Use of fossil fuels? Yes, we have to learn from error. History does present a lot of error. You can learn from past events, and try to improve your future action based on those historical events, but you can not criticize a person who live in the past and made the decisions they did. I think a person is welcome to criticize the past, and learn from it. From the point of view of the people who lived there and and been subject to Indian attacks for the previous 100 years it was the most logical and humane way to handle the situation. They took their land. They took their food. They took their way of living.... I know I will get lots of flack. john "Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ... On 5/14/2015 4:03 PM, jloomis wrote: Yes, and the son of a "itches" left a holy mess in the Redwoods. No care for anything, streams, animals, vegetation. Just come and take the forest, burn down the slash, and leave.... Following this assault they again logged about 3 times, and with continuing selectivity as to what the market would bear. Now when you go in an Old Growth forest, there are few and far between trees left. We wonder why the salmon spawning grounds are slack, and the forest is struggling to survive... Yes, they left a mess. I am cleaning up a logging operation from about 1950 on my property. You must judge events of the past by the paradigms in effect at the time the event happened. You can judge by today's paradigms, but it is not legitimate. You can learn from past events, and try to improve your future action based on those historical events, but you can not criticize a person who live in the past and made the decisions they did. You don't have the same facts they had at the time of the event. I good example is the removal of the Indians from the Indiana. From the point of view of the people who lived there and and been subject to Indian attacks for the previous 100 years it was the most logical and humane way to handle the situation. The alternative would have been to continue the Indian wars for another 100 years. |
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On 5/14/2015 1:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Electric Comet wrote: do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so Looks like they did clean up the hinge a bit - no idea at what length though. but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned Does not look to me like the stump is in the picture, or enough of it to actually see if they did any work on the stump. Would seem unlikely they would though - the stump is usually left as it is when the tree comes off of it.. https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up I think the former. A guy I knew when my son was in Elementary school, went to california and bought many of the stumps. He had a few train cars of it shipped here. He made gorgeous tops out of it. The wood was so compressed from the weight of the tree he said, that it was beautiful to work, and full of figure. I don't know what happened to that wood as he and his wife got a divorce and it was messy. She sold all his big machines after locking him out. He had to take out a huge loan for that wood and transport. -- Jeff |
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I used to live in the Redwood forest in Ca.
I've seen the big stumps and have a nice history / picture book of those days. The big logs were halved or quartered in the field. The stumps were left 6-8 feet into the air due to the buttress flair that was not useful. Also slots for spring boards were sawed into the stump so men with double handle saws could slice through. The saws were tough but sharp as skinning knifes. Logs pulled out by sled or wagon using mules and horses. In steep hills, the smaller diameter, taller height coastal species were shot down slouse (sp) lines that ran down the mountain near a river that feed water to the slouse. Downright dangerous having a massive log coming down a mountain and ending up into a pond near the mill. The slouse is gone, the mill and the big barns is still there. Martin On 5/14/2015 11:22 AM, Electric Comet wrote: do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what |
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Some of the big saws still exist. I saw a brand new 30' arc
saw in the main office of the San Lorenzo Lumber company. They had wood guards to protect people from the teeth. It was one of the saws their company used many years before - but just kept this one new. Today there are two man chain saws that are large, but they are rare. Martin On 5/14/2015 12:48 PM, G. Ross wrote: Electric Comet wrote: do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what Musta been a honking big chainsaw! ;) |
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Look in the front right - the large tree and the man arm out.
The wedge cut by axe from both sides so a thin wedge remained in the center. They then sawed that wedge off until it fell - Might have cleaned the split out of the base, but the base in the foreground is a massive one spreading out in the left foreground. That was so large, it isn't likely the same stump. Martin On 5/14/2015 3:03 PM, jloomis wrote: Yes, and the son of a "itches" left a holy mess in the Redwoods. No care for anything, streams, animals, vegetation. Just come and take the forest, burn down the slash, and leave.... Following this assault they again logged about 3 times, and with continuing selectivity as to what the market would bear. Now when you go in an Old Growth forest, there are few and far between trees left. We wonder why the salmon spawning grounds are slack, and the forest is struggling to survive... Yes, they left a mess. I am cleaning up a logging operation from about 1950 on my property. They came in with bulldozers and pushed over trees in the way, oaks, and redwoods, firs, rhododendrons, etc. to take what trees/logs were left from the first and 2nd assault. Leaving the old skid roads there, and the trees upover. Some have grown back sideways, and out of the logs pushed over....it is a mess. I am clearing the oaks that grew like wheat grass, and cleaning up the stumps, and crooked bent trees, salvaging the forest, and making it a bit more healthy for the redwoods, and also the large amount of wood that grew that poses fire threat. I always wonder what went across their minds when they cut down these giants..... I know, they were starving and hungry, and making a living...... Thank the lord we now have some forest practices, that help not only make a viable timber industry, but save the forest for the future. john in Redwood Country..... "Electric Comet" wrote in message ... do not know much about felling trees but i suppose they cleaned up the bottom cut on the log to meet the 20 foot mark or so but the stump portion that is visible seems to also be cleaned https://imgur.com/iY73ujp maybe the photo just does not show enough and the stump is ragged but it does seem like it is cleaned up maybe they do that just to make it easier to haul the logs out interesting photo no matter what |
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"Martin Eastburn" wrote in message ...
Look in the front right - the large tree and the man arm out. The wedge cut by axe from both sides so a thin wedge remained in the center. They then sawed that wedge off until it fell - Might have cleaned the split out of the base, but the base in the foreground is a massive one spreading out in the left foreground. That was so large, it isn't likely the same stump. If they were of the same constitution as locust they'd probably still be standing there... a lot harder to chop and saw. Since the red wood was nice and soft they were hacked down... ....a blame the victim philosophy! |
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On Thu, 14 May 2015 23:01:00 -0500
Martin Eastburn wrote: In steep hills, the smaller diameter, taller height coastal species were shot down slouse (sp) lines that ran down the mountain near a river that feed water to the slouse. Downright dangerous having a massive log coming down a mountain and ending up into a pond near the mill. The slouse is gone, the mill and the big barns is still there. i think the word is sluice not sure though amazing trees and amazing wood all the physics involved in those living marvels is really interesting the internal fluid pressures capillary actions etc. the redwood i last saw at home depot was a joke most of it sapwood which termites love |
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On Fri, 15 May 2015 08:32:52 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" wrote: ...a blame the victim philosophy! the properties of the wood is also their fault beauty and termite/weather resistance |
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On Thu, 14 May 2015 19:45:51 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy wrote: Date's 1915, so all that cutting would have been with handsaws... doubt they went to the gym after work In that era, the popular practice was to find a stout tree more or less in the middle of the area to be logged, strip off the branches, strap some blocks on near the top, and set a winch and steam donkey engine at the bottom. The loggers would haul a line thru the blocks and out to the tree they'd felled, and the winch would then pull it back thru the forest. At the winch site they'd then cut it to length to be hauled to the mill by ox-team or railroad. bet those trees were fun to climb probably needed special gaffs to do so extra long for that bark what a view must have been amazing to see that operation going on |
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Electric Comet wrote:
bet those trees were fun to climb probably needed special gaffs to do so extra long for that bark what a view must have been amazing to see that operation going on If you do more google searches on these massive tree cutting ventures, you'll find some really cool pictures of how they did things back then - especially (IMHO), the way they used the spring boards to work their way up the tree. Some really cool sutff! -- -Mike- |
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Electric Comet wrote in news:mj5b9q$kva$2
@dont-email.me: On Thu, 14 May 2015 23:01:00 -0500 Martin Eastburn wrote: In steep hills, the smaller diameter, taller height coastal species were shot down slouse (sp) lines that ran down the mountain near a river that feed water to the slouse. Downright dangerous having a massive log coming down a mountain and ending up into a pond near the mill. The slouse is gone, the mill and the big barns is still there. i think the word is sluice not sure though "Sluice" is the correct spelling, but loggers on the West coast would not call it that, they'd call it a "flume" (having picked up both the name and the design from the gold miners). Flumes were more commonly used to move rough-cut lumber from the sawmill to a finishing mill, than they were to move logs. Some of them were large enough to float a small boat, and the lumbermen would knock together crude boats from the rough lumber and ride down when they had a day off. Googling for "lumber flume" should get you some pictures. John |
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Redwoods are officially a Hardwood. It is used extensively
in beams and structures. A nice low end is decking. If you ever had one like myself - can't burn the stuff - but one has to saw or chop limbs and trunks when they fall. The outside bark is sponge with air - fire proof. but once into the heart wood it is tough and strong. Martin On 5/15/2015 7:32 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote: "Martin Eastburn" wrote in message ... Look in the front right - the large tree and the man arm out. The wedge cut by axe from both sides so a thin wedge remained in the center. They then sawed that wedge off until it fell - Might have cleaned the split out of the base, but the base in the foreground is a massive one spreading out in the left foreground. That was so large, it isn't likely the same stump. If they were of the same constitution as locust they'd probably still be standing there... a lot harder to chop and saw. Since the red wood was nice and soft they were hacked down... ...a blame the victim philosophy! |
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Termites eat the centers out if the log is lying on the ground.
They also eat the cream colored wood on the outside under the deadly outer bark. We used to have a Tree near us that was a Blue Jay tree. They would peck and push a hole in the outer bark and then press in a acorn. The acorn typically had a worm in it. The whole mess would sit and cook all year and the birds would come back to eat the pickled worms and nut while making more holes. The tree looked like it was shot with a machine gun - a 50 cal - massive array of 1/2" holes that were darker than the other wood. The bark has Tannin in it - used to tan leather goods in vats. Otherwise oak was used - there is a Tannin Oak. Martin On 5/15/2015 12:42 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2015 08:32:52 -0400 "John Grossbohlin" wrote: ...a blame the victim philosophy! the properties of the wood is also their fault beauty and termite/weather resistance |
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Right - mental without a dictionary. Martin
On 5/15/2015 12:41 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2015 23:01:00 -0500 Martin Eastburn wrote: In steep hills, the smaller diameter, taller height coastal species were shot down slouse (sp) lines that ran down the mountain near a river that feed water to the slouse. Downright dangerous having a massive log coming down a mountain and ending up into a pond near the mill. The slouse is gone, the mill and the big barns is still there. i think the word is sluice not sure though amazing trees and amazing wood all the physics involved in those living marvels is really interesting the internal fluid pressures capillary actions etc. the redwood i last saw at home depot was a joke most of it sapwood which termites love |
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On Thu, 14 May 2015 23:05:47 -0500
Martin Eastburn wrote: Today there are two man chain saws that are large, but they are rare. i saww one in action in a video recently they were cutting down the remains of a diseased elm they pulled it over with a big rope hooked to a pickup it was more like a 20 ft. stump |
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On Fri, 15 May 2015 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy wrote: Flumes were more commonly used to move rough-cut lumber from the sawmill to a finishing mill, than they were to move logs. Some of them were large enough to float a small boat, and the lumbermen would knock together crude boats from the rough lumber and ride down when they had a day off. before the internet what else could they do sounds fun today the lawyers would gasp and babble on about liability and so on and so forth |
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On Fri, 15 May 2015 22:59:16 -0500
Martin Eastburn wrote: We used to have a Tree near us that was a Blue Jay tree. They would peck and push a hole in the outer bark and then press in a acorn. The acorn typically had a worm in it. The whole mess would sit and cook all year and the birds would come back to eat the pickled worms and nut while making more holes. The tree looked like it was shot with a machine gun - a 50 cal - massive array of 1/2" holes that were darker than the other wood. probably scrub jays which are a lot like blue jays they are the ones that plant oak trees since sometimes they stash the acorn in the ground and forget where they put it next thing you know you have an oak tree smart birds and gregarious luckily their memory it not so good |
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Martin Eastburn wrote in news:zbz5x.4621
: Redwoods are officially a Hardwood. Umm, no. Redwoods are gymnosperms, not angiosperms, and thus they are offically a softwood. John |
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Yes - just like Basswood is a Hardwood , Yellow-poplar is hardwood.
Douglas-fir, Hemlock and "Redwood" is softwood. (cited from Wood Handbook - US Department of Agriculture/Forest Service/Forest Products Laboratory / FPL-GTR-190. Classification by seed description is a bit non-technical - e.g. A steel ball dropped from a certain distance and the dimple is measured. The gymnosperms are a group of seed-producing plants that includes conifers, cycads, Ginkgo, and Gnetales. The term "gymnosperm" comes from the Greek composite word γυμνόσπερμος, meaning "naked seeds" Seeds are not really naked, each are covered in a packaging that helps distribute it near by via air currents. They also help the seed to float. Etymologically, angiosperm means a plant that produces seeds within an enclosure, in other words, a fruiting plant. Flowering fruiting plants. While it might be just fine for Botany, woodworking it carries a different classification. Martin On 5/16/2015 10:58 AM, John McCoy wrote: Martin Eastburn wrote in news:zbz5x.4621 : Redwoods are officially a Hardwood. Umm, no. Redwoods are gymnosperms, not angiosperms, and thus they are offically a softwood. John |
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